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LMAO I'm not mad. I want Varsho to succeed and be a 5 WAR player here. But you live in your own little fantasy world, we can forget how awful Varsho has been this season for the first 4 months vs. 1 week of hitting .316 lol.

Rockies have to be the worst organization in baseball. Even way worse than the Angels.

Hey, but Varsho over the last 7 games is hitting .316 so all is now forgiven and we could forget his brutal season to date!

The issue with you is when someone criticizes the front office, you raise pitch forks and become irrational. I'll keep saying it because it's true. You're a huge homer and apologist. Also, you love cherry picking stats to death in order to support your arguments which is sometimes too much.

Again, where did I say anything wrong about his contract? I said I bet during and after his terrible year last season, a lot of these posters weren't saying how great of a deal Berrios was. Funny how things change quickly all of a sudden.

Where did I question the Berrios contract by the way? I was saying how probably last season when Berrios sucked, he wasn't saying the same thing as he is today. Even after last seasons struggles, I said openly on this board that I give Berrios a mulligan. A lot of other posters thought he was done.

One of the most disappointing organizations in the game. You had two of the best players in baseball and never even won a Postseason series. Such a huge waste. Likely will never see two players like Trout and Ohtani ever play on the same team again.

The Orioles are having one of their best seasons in recent history, there is no way they could ruin such a great story. Pete Angelos: hold my beer!

As a baseball fan, sucks to see the best in the game go down to injury. Remarkable how many arms the Rays lost this season, yet they continue to stay competitive. Will hurt them in the Postseason more than anything, but they still could throw some solid arms out at you in a short series.

You're even worse than MaxSilver and Brownie19. I owe those guys an apology for calling them the biggest homers.

LMAO I bet you weren't saying that about Berrios last season.

Driven by his high BA. Always had a low .OBP and a lot of good luck for some seasons. I knew he would come crashing down.

Joseph Gordan Levitt needs the Angels to win the Pennant.

Yeah given the Jays have Varsho who they could move to CF, they could go after a power bat for LF instead. Would prefer to see them go after Teo or Joc Pedarson even if it means a couple more million.

I'll go with Chappy for Sunday as well

TA is the most overrated player in baseball. I remember Laika building him up in the DDL as an elite player a couple years back and I wasn't buying it lol.

He probably would come back on a 2-year-deal worth $24/25M and would be worth every penny as long as he stays healthy and plays 120-130 games per season. Though I know Varsho's value is limited in LF, so next season the Jays may use Varsho in CF and go after a power bat for LF.

Jays are 2-0 against the Red Sox when Grant77 isn't here. He's bad luck.

I'll go with Schneider again as well!

Yeah very true. AA did have his failures here in Toronto, and as a super AA homer I'll admit that unlike the Atkins homers on here haha. But considering in the span of five seasons, AA almost brought the Jays to a World Series, when it was tougher to make the Postseason. So far under Atkins in his 7+ seasons here (not counting 2016), the Jays with the current core haven't even won a Postseason series.

Can't we say the same thing with Atkins? We can compare and list every FA signing/trade and assess every single thing, but let's look at the overall picture. AA came on after the 2009 season, taking over a failed J.P. Ricciardi regime. He was left with the tough task trading the greatest Blue Jays pitcher in franchise history right from the start. Tough assignment for a rookie GM. Under AA, the Blue Jays built back the farm system into one of the best in baseball. He then used some of those assets to acquire MLB pieces. Yes some of those MLB pieces didn't work out like Josh Johnson, etc., though a lot of those prospects he moved didn't go onto having All-Star careers by any means. Musgrove the exception later on when he went to San Diego. Sure the Syndegaard deal for Dickey stung but Thor after 2016 was done anyways. But yeah I'll definitely criticize AA on that trade for RA Dickey. Definitely an overpay at the time. Dickey was solid during his time here but wasn't the same pitcher who won the Cy Young. But yeah I'll call out AA on that trade and not afraid to unlike you when it comes to Atkins. AA locked up core pieces such as Bautista and EE to extremely team friendly contract extensions which helped him afterwards add more to the core. He went out and signed Russell Martin, who was amazing during his first two seasons here and traded for Josh Donaldson who won AL MVP in 2015. Then in 2015 at the trade deadline, he made some big time moves and went after the best pitcher at the deadline in David Price, a legitimate ace at the time, traded Jose Reyes for Troy Tulowitzki who was still solid here, and also made some other nice small moves to solidify this core. They went on a big run in the second half and pretty much were World Series contenders in 2015. AA was here from 2010-2015. During those five seasons, the Jays came close to a World Series. Sucks the Royals were hot that season but otherwise on paper the Jays had the best chance at reaching a World Series since 1993, over two decades. In 2016, the Jays also had a great chance at getting to the World Series, but lost a tough matchup to a hot Cleveland team. I know Shapiro/Atkins already took over, but that 2016 team for the most part was because of AA. As for saying he only created a two-year window, we'll never know since he was never retained after 2015, so who knows. Regardless, in the span of five years, AA brought the Jays closer to a World Series than Atkins has done in 8 years. As well, the Jays during AA's tenure didn't have the two extra WC spots as Atkins had in 2022 and moving forward. So definitely to make the Postseason in 2015 and 2016, it was tougher for the Jays. Right now the Jays wouldn't be making the Postseason if the new WC and Postseason matchups weren't in effect.

I'm not daily criticizing the Bassitt contract lol. I made a comment on some of the good deals Atkins made and some of the questionable ones, with Bassitt mentioned in the questionable. Brownie19 then got his pitch forks and went all Karen to start an argument haha.

MaxSilver just proved otherwise. Brownie19 will be sharing his input shortly as well lol.

LMAO of course its up to debate with you hahaha!

Hopefully we see more of this from Manoah! Also, great to see the Jays finally use the long ball. Hopefully its the start of this lineup raking.