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I think 2 years is the max I would go with him. Would prefer one. As long as the money is available and it won't tie the Jays hands down this offseason, at the deadline and in the 24/25 offseason from adding to the roster, I'm fine with bringing back Ryu. If money will be tight, would rather save that money and spend it elsewhere.

Haha. Yeah I bet Ryu still will get $12-15M from someone on a one or two year deal given how he's pitched since coming back.

Yeah take the Chiefs back after hearing Kelce was out. 14-14 now in the 3rd. Lions could upset.

Chapman is a no brainer. Would you offer a QO to Ryu?

Yeah 6-3 isn't that bad regardless. Even with Belt, Bo, Chapman and Jansen, this team could have still went 6-3.

Chapman or Ryu?

It's faster paced than the NFL. Definitely give the CFL a watch during the Playoffs or the Grey Cup. It's a different game than the NFL. 3 down football vs. 4 down football and larger field. More focus on the passing game than running game. Some games can be really fun. Still prefer the NFL in terms of competition and talent though.

Some NFL games can be boring if there is very little scoring and just field goals. Though if you watch two good teams play, should be a great game. To be honest I find the CFL more entertaining and faster paced.

Yeah I agree with your points. I don't place entire blame on Atkins and the front office for everything that happens on the field. Majority of the blame should be placed on the players such as Vlad, Manoah, Kirk, Varsho, Springer, Chapman, Espy, Cimber, Bass etc. for heavily underperforming. I've stated that numerous times. Still that's a lot of players underperforming all at the same time, so I do believe that the front office should own some of it. They're the ones putting this roster together at the end of the day, so you have to then question those projected performances when most don't play to those expectations. I'm sure Atkins would be the first person to say that as well. But yes, I do acknowledge everything shouldn't be blamed on Atkins. He's built competitive teams every season which is excellent and kudos to him. Hope we can see this team take it to the next level in the Postseason this year or in 2024. As for the coaching staff, same thing. Don't place 100% of the blame on them, but when a most of the Jays bats aren't hitting for the power they're capable of and hitting a ton of ground balls, you have to start questioning the approach being taken and why haven't certain adjustments been made. That's on some of the coaching staff, but at the end of the day solely on the players. It's great to finally see some guys in the upper minors getting called up and actually contributing. I know it sucks because it's at the expense of Bo and Chapman being injured. If the Jays make the Postseason, guys like Schneider, Clement, Genesis, Horwitz etc. definitely played huge roles in helping the team get there. Small sample sizes but still can't complain on the job they're all doing thus far. Will praise Atkins on that, even if a bit of luck is involved. Kind of wish guys like Schneider/Clement were called up a bit earlier to replace Biggio/Espinal but oh well. Like you said, there's all kinds of variables at play. Can't just place blame on one entity entirely. You're always going to have trolls post in the GDT's or call in on radio shows where they call for Atkins or Schneider being fired for losing one game. I'm sure it happens in every city haha. Unfortunately if the Jays don't win a World Series in the next three seasons, Atkins and company, along with the coaching staff are likely gone. That's how it goes, even if it's not entirely their faults. Let's just hope this team gets into the postseason and with this pitching staff, gotta like their chances to go on a run. Hopefully one or two big bats could come alive, which would be a huge plus.

Best NFL Picks for this week? I take the Chiefs, Bills, Ravens and Cowboys as locks. Upsets I like the Browns, Dolphins, and Rams.

Ohtani in NYC in a Yankees uniform likely brings in more and gives them a very good chance at a World Series. As a Jays fan, would prefer Ohtani stays on the west coast.

Yup those are valid points. Gibson definitely did come with more risk and we've seen him implode lately. I understand having to pay Bassitt more in terms of salary and years, but his innings and durability have been really valuable and needed. Also, Berrios and Kikuchi like you said were question marks at the time. Definitely glad they've had the season they've had given Manoah turning into Josh Towers out there. I just hope Bassitt's 20M salary in 2024 and 2025 doesn't tie the hands of the front office if they need to add another big player during the offseason.

If you're ever downtown during the Postseason, a round of beers on me!

What happens if Belt and KK didn't have the seasons they were having? Just asking. Overall, I still like the deal in the long run given the years of control Swanson has. Nothing against the deal at all. Mike does offer some valid points and I understand where he's coming from though. The trade is done now. Would have been nice to both trade for Swanson and keep Teo in hindsight or trade for him at the deadline, but yeah not complaining at all given the results with Swanson, Belt and KK.

I really hate this bickering back and forth. You and Brownie seem like reasonable and nice guys who are positive contributors to this board. We'll always agree to disagree on some aspects of Atkins and this front office. This season has been very frustrating given what we've seen from this team. We all know they could be playing much better. At the end of the day, we're both cheering for this team to succeed and win a World Series. We can all agree on that. Hope we get into the Postseason and go on a deep run. No hard feelings. Cheers guys!

I hope payroll space isn't an issue in 2024 and 2025. Need to make the most of those seasons especially with Bo under control and Gausman still at the top of his game etc. Yeah Arenado was just an idea if the Jays were looking at the trade route for a 3B in the offseason. His contract I don't think is too bad but now I think they could probably fill the 3B position for a more reasonable cost, whether its someone from within or signing a guy like JD to platoon with Barger etc. We'll see what happens. Also wonder what Chapman signs for now? He was in line for a big payday but his bat has been disappointing. Wonder if he signs a 1 year deal worth $20M just to rebuild value.

All I said back in June/July was the Gibson signing by the Orioles was pretty good considering his performance at that time and given it was only a 1-year contract at $10M so very little risk and the Orioles didn't have to sign a similar arm to 3 years around $60M like the Jays did with Bassitt. As for Bassitt, Jays had to slightly overpay for a 34-35 year old starter at 20M per season. Never said anything bad about Bassitt's performance. He's been great for them this season. I remember I suggested the Jays make a trade for Arenado, and some responses were like "The Jays can't take on his payroll in 2024 and 2025." So yeah Bassitt at $20M does take up a chunk of the payroll if we're worried about the Jays being close to their payroll threshold where they can't add another top player. Hopefully he continues to pitch well in Year 2 and 3 of his contract.

Yeah you make a good point Mike. The plus with Swanson is the years of control, but a team contending for a World Series in 2023 shouldn't have to trade one of their big bats for a non-closing reliever during the offseason. I still think it's a solid trade overall long term, but not calling it "excellent" by any means.

You just perfectly described yourself, Brownie and Metafour! You three are the most condescending posters on this board. Regardless, I'm done arguing with you three about the front office. I don't want to read your essays where you all three try to defend and justify the FO on signing Tapia and Zimmer. It's too much!

Yeah the trade is done now. Swanson has done a solid job and has added stability to the pen. Will be nice to have him for another two seasons. If he can stay healthy and be a 1-2 WAR reliever, nothing to complain about at all.

Do you think the Yankees care? I know penalties are harsher now yes. If it means signing one of the best players of this century like Ohtani and winning a World Series, I don't think they would care.

Talk about someone with thin skin haha.

Lol you guys have thin skin. I'm pretty much treated like a troll according to you guys if I question anything about this front office. Your responses are very condescending which is why I can't debate or have discussion with you, Brownie and Metafour. I disagree with a lot of other posters on here regarding some things, but at least they're not condescending as you three. Spanky, Hurl, Terminator, L54, Laika, BTS, etc. They actually have discussions and aren't condescending at all even if we disagree on something.

The issue with you and some of the other members in your homer brigade is that you treat prominent posters who actually make rational criticisms about this team or FO as idiots or morons. Like if I say anything negative or even question anything, you and your brigade come out and attack like cockroaches. It's insufferable man. You treat me and some others like we're trolls who only say negative things about this team which isn't true. If I even say something positive about Atkins or the front office, my words get turned around and guys like Metafour feel the urge to still defend the FO lol. It's hilarious. Again, Atkins has done a real solid job while he's been here. Not debating that. I've even said if the Jays miss the Postseason in 2023, he should be given another crack at it in 2024. Has he been exceptional? You can argue given the results to this point, expectations have not been met and he hasn't taken this team to the next level. Those are the facts lol. And obviously with that being the case, there are some areas he could be criticized on, as with every GM and front office in the league. The difference is posters like you, Metafour, Max continue to all wear blinders.

Jay, I never criticized the trade. It's still a great trade. Just said it would have been nice to have Teo's bat this season. They did a great job using that money in adding KK. Jays likely took a bit of a hit in 2023 in terms of value but long term if Swanson is a 1-2 WAR reliever and Macko contributes something, it's a great deal for the Jays. I wouldn't say it's "excellent" until we see what Swanson and Macko do in 2024 and 2025.