Rangers (Quantrill) vs Blue Jays (Cease): 6/27/26, 3:07pm

[JaysFan99]

2-4 batters today: 0-12, 7 Ks

Rest of team: 10-19, 3 Ks

[Landry_25]

7 minutes ago, Alejandro Murphy said:

Jays were 500 and promising

 

then this front office tease once again the baseball gods and called up the curse Brandon Little then followed that with Hoffman having his mental midget brain cramp throwing an errand ball to the third base to break a tie game

 

The duo bad luck plus the return of another carrier of bad juju and all went downhill from there

 

ugh

Pretty much self sabotaged really lol

[SeranthonySantander]

The home run count for Vlad doesn’t really mean that much.

Take a player like Fred freeman.  He never hit many home runs, like 25 or 30 a year, but he would hit like 50 doubles which helps 

 

if Vlad could just do freeman numbers, average a 900 ops and play good defence, he will be worth his contract 

[Stangstag]

19 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

The home run count for Vlad doesn’t really mean that much.

Take a player like Fred freeman.  He never hit many home runs, like 25 or 30 a year, but he would hit like 50 doubles which helps 

 

if Vlad could just do freeman numbers, average a 900 ops and play good defence, he will be worth his contract 

Vlad will be lucky to reach 10 at this rate. Thats a massive difference from 25

[SeranthonySantander]

3 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Vlad will be lucky to reach 10 at this rate. Thats a massive difference from 25

Barry bonds hit 39 before the all star game once.  So only having a few isn’t an issue.  We have half a season to play 

[G-Snarls]

58 minutes ago, JaysFan99 said:

2-4 batters today: 0-12, 7 Ks

Rest of team: 10-19, 3 Ks

Seems wrong somehow 

[hanton]

42 minutes ago, SeranthonySantander said:

The home run count for Vlad doesn’t really mean that much.

Take a player like Fred freeman.  He never hit many home runs, like 25 or 30 a year, but he would hit like 50 doubles which helps 

 

if Vlad could just do freeman numbers, average a 900 ops and play good defence, he will be worth his contract 

slugging matters, one slugs the other doesn't 

[jmomcc]

They need a goal that he can control and does not lead to pressing. 
 

Like tell him his plate approach needs to improve. Move him down and then move him up when it improves, 

Maybe that will get him to stop pressing. 

[SeranthonySantander]

13 minutes ago, hanton said:

slugging matters, one slugs the other doesn't 

Fat guys are always sluggers.  He’s just not doing it right now.  Maybe soon.  Maybe next year, he does some slugging.  Maybe in his 30s.

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Couldn't even get to 5 innings today lol. 

[Doubleplay21]

Do not mind losing when you try your best.

Vladdy just does not care could not even run hard...a piss poor Schneider who let's his players take it easy.

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, JaysFan99 said:

Cease shot himself in the foot with the walks, but this offense is also putrid

The high BB/9 is what's going to hold him back from being a true #1 but yeah this offense needs to step up plain and simple. 

Cease reminds me a lot of AJ Burnett - excellent stuff but needs to harness it more consistently. Regardless he's still a very solid 1A or #2 even with the control issues. It's crazy he's never had a BB/9 lower than 3.00 before - he's always averaged high 3's pretty much throughout his career. 

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Vlad will be lucky to reach 10 at this rate. Thats a massive difference from 25

Vlad pretty much has become Lyle Overbay this season. 

[BTS]

11 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Vlad pretty much has become Lyle Overbay this season. 

He's actually a lot worse than Lyle Overbay lol

[Bob_Gratton]

2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Vlad pretty much has become Lyle Overbay this season. 

More like Tatis Jr. Few years ago, Tatis was also a 40+ HR hitter, but suddenly like Vlad, power is gone. Maybe they was on "vitamine" but stopped before being caught😉

[Jonn]

1 hour ago, Bob_Gratton said:

More like Tatis Jr. Few years ago, Tatis was also a 40+ HR hitter, but suddenly like Vlad, power is gone. Maybe they was on "vitamine" but stopped before being caught😉

I would be down for a struggling Superstar swap 

[Stangstag]

16 minutes ago, Jonn said:

I would be down for a struggling Superstar swap 

Yeah i think most here would swap Tatis for Vlad in heartbeat.

Would rather have a huge contract tied up with a speedy guy that can man the OF for years vs a slow 1B that has hit as his only useful tool.

[Spanky__99]

This 5 game streak has been cheeks, inexcusable ball against supposed inferior teams, *sighs*

[John_Havok]

Can say what ya want about the offense and Vlads struggles, but the pitching has been an absolute dumspter fire. Cant give up 1st inning runs and bring the offense to the field behind every f***ing game

[Spanky__99]

6 hours ago, BTS said:

He's actually a lot worse than Lyle Overbay lol

Yeah, Overbay'd have 10 dingers and a ton of doubles at this point, Vlad's a deer staring in headlights.

[Spanky__99]

8 hours ago, Alejandro Murphy said:

Bad Luck Meter going since the ill-advised return

 

Hang up the forum jersey, the biggest advise

 

8 hours ago, Alejandro Murphy said:

Jays were 500 and promising

 

then this front office tease once again the baseball gods and called up the curse Brandon Little then followed that with Hoffman having his mental midget brain cramp throwing an errand ball to the third base to break a tie game

 

The duo bad luck plus the return of another carrier of bad juju and all went downhill from there

 

ugh

Let your balls drop, eejiit! 🤔🖕

[decosabute]

10 hours ago, Koch-22 said:

Kirk with the HR Jacket snub.

Honestly, I thought more would be made of this. I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often in this pathetic season. People shouldn't be celebrating consolation homers when the games are already gone and we're on a 5 game losing streak and look like we won't make the playoffs. Especially when it's Vlad trying to justify his existence with the jacket. Kirk summed up how I think a lot of fans felt in that moment. 

[decosabute]

8 hours ago, BTS said:

He's actually a lot worse than Lyle Overbay lol

Vlad couldn't even dream of being peak Lyle Overbay this season. 

[decosabute]

2 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Can say what ya want about the offense and Vlads struggles, but the pitching has been an absolute dumspter fire. Cant give up 1st inning runs and bring the offense to the field behind every f***ing game

True that it's gone to sh** in recent games, but the only reason we were even near 500 was because of the pitching (Hoffman and Little aside of course). They were carrying the load all season and eventually they were going to break. Offense in the top half of the order has never been there and still nowhere to be found. The fact that Vlad and Springer have been pathetic and Kirk has been injured/bad also means the bullpen has been way overworked because there are zero blowout wins. All the other problems flow from that top half of the order not doing their job at any point. They deserve every bit of grief they're getting from the media and fans. 

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, decosabute said:

True that it's gone to sh** in recent games, but the only reason we were even near 500 was because of the pitching (Hoffman and Little aside of course). They were carrying the load all season and eventually they were going to break. Offense in the top half of the order has never been there and still nowhere to be found. The fact that Vlad and Springer have been pathetic and Kirk has been injured/bad also means the bullpen has been way overworked because there are zero blowout wins. All the other problems flow from that top half of the order not doing their job at any point. They deserve every bit of grief they're getting from the media and fans. 

Never said they didn't deserve grief. No offense is going to be good enough to come back on a regular basis when you spot the opposition 1-4 runs before anyone takes a swing.

 

[decosabute]

46 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Never said they didn't deserve grief. No offense is going to be good enough to come back on a regular basis when you spot the opposition 1-4 runs before anyone takes a swing.

 

No of course not, but that's mostly just a past week phenomenon. It's not the story of the season at all. 

[glory]

Jays offense ranks 30th in MLB in xwOBA, 21st in wRC+, 25th in ISO, 29th in BB%, 28th in hard hit %, and 27th in barrel%. 

So it’s a team that doesn’t draw walks, hit for power, or barrel the baseball. Say what you want about the pitching, but the offense is awful. Even 2023 wasn’t this bad. 

[jaysblue]

24 minutes ago, glory said:

Jays offense ranks 30th in MLB in xwOBA, 21st in wRC+, 25th in ISO, 29th in BB%, 28th in hard hit %, and 27th in barrel%. 

So it’s a team that doesn’t draw walks, hit for power, or barrel the baseball. Say what you want about the pitching, but the offense is awful. Even 2023 wasn’t this bad. 

Yeah, it’s been pretty awful, and this type of production isn’t sustainable if this team expects to get back to above .500 and seriously contend for a Wild Card spot.

The Springer regression has hit hard - and a lot of us warned during the offseason that this was a real possibility. Vladdy has been awful. They’re missing a bat that can provide something close to Bo’s 2025 production. Kirk missing significant time didn’t help either, and now we don’t really know whether we’re getting the 2023/2024 version of Kirk or the 2022/2025 version moving forward.

Gimenez and his 82 wRC+ being in the lineup every day is an eyesore offensively, even with the solid defense. If the Jays’ other bats were producing the way they were expected to, you could live with Gimenez occupying a spot in the lineup. But when the offense is already struggling, it becomes a lot harder to stomach.

On the positive side, guys like Clement and Lukes have really held their own. I was sour on both of them in the offseason and didn’t think they’d repeat their 2025 success, but they’ve proved me wrong so far. Okamoto’s power has been great, but he’s not really the type of bat who can anchor a lineup the way Vlad and Bo were expected to. Varsho has been fine doing what he’s supposed to do, and he’s definitely capable of going on a power run for a couple of weeks if he locks in.

They also need to get Valenzuela into the lineup more, especially with Kirk struggling since coming back.

They also need to find a right-handed bat who can platoon with Lukes. Schneider clearly wasn't that guy and he’s been awful.

 

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, glory said:

Jays offense ranks 30th in MLB in xwOBA, 21st in wRC+, 25th in ISO, 29th in BB%, 28th in hard hit %, and 27th in barrel%. 

So it’s a team that doesn’t draw walks, hit for power, or barrel the baseball. Say what you want about the pitching, but the offense is awful. Even 2023 wasn’t this bad. 

It's true man, everything you just said, we're 83 games in, s***'s got to change like yesterday, thankfully we're only 2 games out, but I'm starting to get the feeling we're going to need a festivus miracle, it's sure steamrolling right now in the direction of a pad of shyte! Faaaaaack!

[Spanky__99]

@Brock Beauchamp Lineup's out for a GDT... Lets stop the bleeding please and gain a game back on the asshats!