Blue Jays-Dodgers World Series Game 7 Thread: Max Scherzer vs Shohei Ohtani

[thatoneguy]

3 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Funny how different players view this differently. A double play liner to 3rd?? When does Varsho ever hit oppo line drives? That shouldn’t have been a worry at all, but maybe it was in their minds due to the Gimenez liner to Muncy earlier.

Small situations that cause ripple effects throughout the game…

However, Varsho needed to do better to hit something in the air there.

Just so goddamn frustrating to lose like this. Im not even sad, im just annoyed.

Yes, this. Varsho is a heavy pull hitter. If nothing else, play the percentages here. They didn’t, and it cost them the WS. Nobody honestly blames IKF if Varsho hits a liner to Muncy and he gets doubled up. That’s angels in the outfield sh*t like Gimenez’s one. What happened was not.

[Angrioter]

14 minutes ago, thatoneguy said:

His lead is not as far as Muncy is from 3B?

Whit is Falefa friend.

 

Muncy 15 foots from the bag. Falefa just 4

[Nexii]

8 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Funny how different players view this differently. A double play liner to 3rd?? When does Varsho ever hit oppo line drives? That shouldn’t have been a worry at all, but maybe it was in their minds due to the Gimenez liner to Muncy earlier.

Small situations that cause ripple effects throughout the game…

However, Varsho needed to do better to hit something in the air there.

Just so goddamn frustrating to lose like this. Im not even sad, im just annoyed.

The odds of a LD are so much lower than a GB. You have to assume GB with force out at home

[IrishCanuck]

Bo not starting game 2, Bo, Barger and Kirk removed from game 3... Schnieder is not a good manager, and Hoffman and IKF are garbage, never want to see them in a Jay's uniform again.

 

 

[Jonn]

IKF sucks but there were numerous chances for the Jays to simply hit a fly ball that wins that game easily. Varsho not being able to get a ball to the Outfield is not being talked about enough. Having a fast pinch runner option may have been the way better roster decision over having a 13th pitcher that didn’t really get used outside the 18 inning game. In hindsight you wish it was Straw who was on the bases. But they seemed reluctant to use Davis Scheneider defensively despite holding his own all year.

[G-Snarls]

4 hours ago, bluejaysinternNo5 said:

  

Clement's fly out to Pages: .380 xBa.

 

Yeah the Clement drive would frequently be caught *IF* the outfielders were in usual position.

But they were playing WAY in and Pages had to literally run over his LF to catch it. It so easily could have been missed but he got it.

[Jays24]

5 minutes ago, IrishCanuck said:

Bo not starting game 2, Bo, Barger and Kirk removed from game 3... Schnieder is not a good manager, and Hoffman and IKF are garbage, never want to see them in a Jay's uniform again.

 

 

Worst part of all this is that you heard him say "I am going to manage games based on what im seeing out there and try to stay out of the players way" before Game 7.  Like f***, it took you that long to do what majority of the fanbase has been screaming for? 

Im extremely grateful for the run they just had but he looked like a complete idiot on so many occasions.  While its easy to hate on his bad decision, you dont get to the world series if not making good decisions either.  The players just needed to execute on the NUMEROUS chances they had in Game 7.  Thats pretty much what it came down to and thats where most of my blame will fall for now.  

[IrishCanuck]

Jonaton Clase would have scored..... Hoffman blew about 8 saves this year and had about 8 wins, so that's about 16 blown leads.... so upset I don't think I can watch next year 

[BTS]

51 minutes ago, glory said:

 

Not sure who to trust here: one of the best baserunners of the last decade, or the collective wisdom of Blue Jays fans on the internet 

[Stangstag]

9 minutes ago, BTS said:

Not sure who to trust here: one of the best baserunners of the last decade, or the collective wisdom of Blue Jays fans on the internet 

Difference is that Whit is way faster. Also dont agree that IKF was far enough off the bag when you compare his position to Muncy’s.

Literally 1 foot would have made the difference.

[SeranthonySantander]

12 minutes ago, BTS said:

Not sure who to trust here: one of the best baserunners of the last decade, or the collective wisdom of Blue Jays fans on the internet 

Yes Whit’s post is correct that the lead should be similar to the distance muncy is

 

but he was not a similar distance,  his lead off 3rd is like 1/3 the distance muncy is, maybe 1/2?

[CJ-Freeway]

33 minutes ago, Jonn said:

IKF sucks but there were numerous chances for the Jays to simply hit a fly ball that wins that game easily. Varsho not being able to get a ball to the Outfield is not being talked about enough. Having a fast pinch runner option may have been the way better roster decision over having a 13th pitcher that didn’t really get used outside the 18 inning game. In hindsight you wish it was Straw who was on the bases. But they seemed reluctant to use Davis Scheneider defensively despite holding his own all year.

That's what I've been saying man, Varsho choked big time. Unacceptable

[BTS]

2 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Difference is that Whit is way faster. Also dont agree that IKF was far enough off the bag when you compare his position to Muncy’s.

Literally 1 foot would have made the difference.

You’re right. I mostly just hate pointing to a single play as the reason for the loss. Razor thin series that hinged on a hundred different small plays that went one way and could have gone another 

[philly30]

3 hours ago, Olerud363.354 said:

For a team with financial advantages and good management they should get a decent shot at it every few years especially with the expanded playoffs.  

Should get a few more shots.  Chances to win it all are still probably only 1/15 any year.  Better than Pirates (now that I said that watch Paul Skenes lead them to a World Series)

Yeah can you imagine being a diehard fan of the pirates, you may never see the playoffs ever again in your life 

[philly30]

26 minutes ago, IrishCanuck said:

Jonaton Clase would have scored..... Hoffman blew about 8 saves this year and had about 8 wins, so that's about 16 blown leads.... so upset I don't think I can watch next year 

Thats what I did with the Phillies this year, I knew what would happen in the end, well not like that disaster to the Dodgers, I hardly paid attention, the bad contracts did not allow flexibility to change, good news for the jays they have more options , you will see a different team.

[Jonn]

11 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Difference is that Whit is way faster. Also dont agree that IKF was far enough off the bag when you compare his position to Muncy’s.

Literally 1 foot would have made the difference.

I wonder if the Blue Jays running into outs on the bases made IKF more hesitant to take a bigger lead. He also appeared to initially stutter on contact. He definitely didn't get a good jump or even a walking start down the line which also could have made the difference.

[Jays24]

6 minutes ago, BTS said:

You’re right. I mostly just hate pointing to a single play as the reason for the loss. Razor thin series that hinged on a hundred different small plays that went one way and could have gone another 

You're right that there were numerous plays throughout the game that could have gotten us the win.  Its just easy to point to IKF's play because that was the easiest one to control.  Matching your lead to Muncy's was the difference between winning and losing, no additional what ifs needed here.  

[Jonn]

 

Pain.

[ValiantJaysFan]

Whole lot of coulda woulda shoulda on this thread. I get the disappointment, I’m crushed. But hindsight is 20/20. If Varsho just did his job, if Clement just hit that ball 6” higher, if the ball didn’t get lodged, etc…fact is we left way too many RISP, you have to give it up for Yamamoto who is a cheat code, and make improvements to the bullpen (get a true lights out closer), grab another starter, maybe resign Bo but I doubt it…small improvements are all this team needs. We could be back next season in the same spot. Yeah a lot would have to go right but with the way these guys play together, no reason to doubt them. 

Plus the Yankees aren’t getting any younger and what are the chances Cal Raleigh is this good next year too? There’s bound to be regression. For us too, probably. A lot had to go right and it did, but next year we have a budding star all season (Barger), Clement who I think is going to have a career year after that playoff performance…he has carved out a real solid place for himself finally. Yesavage…I dunno, I hope he’s as good as he looked but I expect some struggles next year.

 

anyway now I’m rambling but point is, we did it once, we can do it again. We haven’t won the World Series the past 32 years either and we all lived. The fact they got within two outs, and then one swing of winning it this year is ultimately an amazing achievement. Once this scabs over I think more people will appreciate it.

[bones]

Going through a break up at the start of October was actually eased a lot by the jays run as stupid as it sounds. Now, it just all feels like s*** all over again. Awful. 

[BatFlip]

8 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Whole lot of coulda woulda shoulda on this thread. I get the disappointment, I’m crushed. But hindsight is 20/20. If Varsho just did his job, if Clement just hit that ball 6” higher, if the ball didn’t get lodged, etc…fact is we left way too many RISP, you have to give it up for Yamamoto who is a cheat code, and make improvements to the bullpen (get a true lights out closer), grab another starter, mane resign Bo but I doubt it…small improvements are all this team needs. We could be back next season in the same spot. Yeah a lot would have to go right but with the way these guys play together, no reason to doubt them. 

Plus the Yankees aren’t getting any younger and what are the chances Cal Raleigh is this good next year too? There’s bound to be regression. For us too, probably. A lot had to go right and it did, but next year we have a budding star all season (Barger), Clement who I think is going to have a career year after that playoff performance…he has carved out a real solid place for himself finally. Yesavage…I dunno, I hope he’s as good as he looked but I expect some struggles next year.

 

anyway now I’m rambling but point is, we did it once, we can do it again. We haven’t won the World Series the past 32 years either and we all lived. The fact they got within two outs, and then one swing of winning it this year is ultimately an amazing achievement. Once this scabs over I think more people will appreciate it.

That post lived up to your handle my friend.

[lgeuther]

The day after isn’t better for me. Too many things went right for us to fail. Things won’t fall in place like this next year. 

[SeranthonySantander]

We will live to suffer again 

[ValiantJaysFan]

6 minutes ago, lgeuther said:

The day after isn’t better for me. Too many things went right for us to fail. Things won’t fall in place like this next year. 

Feels that way now but why not? The Dodgers just won back to back. The Yankees and Red Sox took turns dominating throughout the 2000s and early 2010s...something tells me with all the revenue this team just generated Rogers will want it to keep going. Players should want to come here after a season like that. No reason we can't keep it going.

[hanton]

1 hour ago, BTS said:

Not sure who to trust here: one of the best baserunners of the last decade, or the collective wisdom of Blue Jays fans on the internet 

[SeranthonySantander]

7 minutes ago, ValiantJaysFan said:

Feels that way now but why not? The Dodgers just won back to back. The Yankees and Red Sox took turns dominating throughout the 2000s and early 2010s...something tells me with all the revenue this team just generated Rogers will want it to keep going. Players should want to come here after a season like that. No reason we can't keep it going.

Yea we are good.  For ?nearly 15 years we weren’t competitive with payrolls.  Only since 2013 minus some rebuild years they have upped their game as far as competing with bigger payrolls.  And we have 3 ALCS appearances in 11 years.  Eventually we get back to a World Series and it might be next year, might be 5 years but we will get there 

[hanton]

2 hours ago, glory said:

 

I don't think the people posting in that thread know who Merrifield is lol

[hanton]

...what many don't get  - and Merrifield explains it - is that IKF is leaning home so even though the lead might not be equal to how far Muncy is from 3b, effectively it is

IKF is just slow

 

Sprint Speed

IKF  47th percentile

Merrifield 90th percentile

[SeranthonySantander]

7 minutes ago, hanton said:

I don't think the people posting in that thread know who Merrifield is lol

He reamed me out on his YouTube channel when I asked if he’s doing a jays podcast because Kc royals suck.  It’s cool that he is doing it though despite spending the majority of his career in KC. 
 

in other news IKF has said he’s received threats - someone said they would break his legs 

 

I don’t blame the guy.  Nobody is perfect and it’s just how the game broke.  I don’t want to ever see him play again though 

[Havok]

 

44 minutes ago, bones said:

Going through a break up at the start of October was actually eased a lot by the jays run as stupid as it sounds. Now, it just all feels like s*** all over again. Awful. 

Not stupid at all. Sports is a form of entertainment, and an avenue to distract us from everyday life. I think a lot of us can relate.