2025 Trade Deadline

[Maine Jays]

Trevor Bauer.

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Maine Jays said:

Trevor Bauer.

Just an FYI... Bauer stinks now.

[Spanky__99]

After going through those teams there isn't really much available in consideration of TOR arms, it's going to be a bloodbath, lol.

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9 hours ago, glory said:

I’m very curious what Alcantara’s trade value is. He has a 7.22 ERA (4.59 FIP). Velocity is still there, less swing and miss, but stuff+ still good. Feels like he’d be a really good buy low, but Marlins have no reason to sell low unless they want out of his contract. Jays have elite defense so Sandy would definitely benefit from that. I’d rather have him than Keller, as there’s a chance you’re buying a bit lower on a top end starter rather than buying high on a high floor mid rotation option for similar money. 

I'd like the front office to acquire Alcantara, but ideally this would be something that's accomplished in the offseason as he's a bit of a reclamation project at present and there's a good chance he wouldn't help the pitching staff to any degree this season. With a full offseason to work out of the Dunedin training complex working with the pitching coaches he could be ready to return to being a more productive rotation member next season.

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10 hours ago, Laika said:

I'm not super interested in him on that contract. It's just a total dice roll. 

I'd love to see the team acquire deGrom, but this is highly contingent on acquisition cost given his propensity to miss large swaths of time due to injury. 

[Stangstag]

27 minutes ago, max silver said:

I'd love to see the team acquire deGrom, but this is highly contingent on acquisition cost given his propensity to miss large swaths of time due to injury. 

Yeah if people are hating on Scherzer at 15mil… imagine the outrage when Degrom misses an entire year getting 37mil

[Eat My Shatkins]

DeGrom is such a swing for the fences type of move. If he's available i say go for it. 

Probably should go get a couple high leverage relievers too if guys like Garcia, Burr and Sandlin are just going to keep getting hurt every time they return.

[glory]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah if people are hating on Scherzer at 15mil… imagine the outrage when Degrom misses an entire year getting 37mil

Yeah he’s too big of a risk for me. Don’t get me wrong, deGrom on the mound for Game 1 of a playoff series in a packed RC would be incredible, but age and injury history are not on his side. Would be a massive risk.

It also might be pointless to debate since he has a NTC and I can’t imagine he’d want to go from Texas to Canada. 
 

 

[jaysblue]

11 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah if people are hating on Scherzer at 15mil… imagine the outrage when Degrom misses an entire year getting 37mil

This front office would be tarred and feathered! 

[jaysblue]

12 hours ago, max silver said:

I'd love to see the team acquire deGrom, but this is highly contingent on acquisition cost given his propensity to miss large swaths of time due to injury. 

Yeah depends on the acquisition cost. Not many teams can take on that contract and some teams would be worried about his age/health which you would think would limit the Rangers market for deGrom somewhat. 

Jays under this management and training staff have done a superb job at keeping their vet SPs healthy which is something that might interest deGrom into waiving his no-trade clause to come here. As well, makes me feel more comfortable acquiring an arm like deGrom versus if this team didn't have as successful of a track record. 

I wouldn't be worried about this season. He definitely gives the Jays a huge boost in the rotation and makes them instant World Series contenders if he's healthy. Would worry more about 2026 and 2027 at $37M AAV. 

[jaysblue]

11 hours ago, Eat My Shatkins said:

DeGrom is such a swing for the fences type of move. If he's available i say go for it. 

Probably should go get a couple high leverage relievers too if guys like Garcia, Burr and Sandlin are just going to keep getting hurt every time they return.

[jaysblue]

10 hours ago, glory said:

Yeah he’s too big of a risk for me. Don’t get me wrong, deGrom on the mound for Game 1 of a playoff series in a packed RC would be incredible, but age and injury history are not on his side. Would be a massive risk.

It also might be pointless to debate since he has a NTC and I can’t imagine he’d want to go from Texas to Canada. 
 

 

Yeah he signed that contract with Texas because I believe it was close to home for him and probably because of the no state income taxes. 

Some selling points for the Jays is that they're in a Playoff race, and they become instant World Series contenders with him in the fold, as well as the FO/training staff success of keeping veteran arms healthy and with Max Scherzer here. Those are some reasons he may waive his NTC but yeah makes it a lot tougher. 

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6 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah depends on the acquisition cost. Not many teams can take on that contract and some teams would be worried about his age/health which you would think would limit the Rangers market for deGrom somewhat. 

Jays under this management and training staff have done a superb job at keeping their vet SPs healthy which is something that might interest deGrom into waiving his no-trade clause to come here. As well, makes me feel more comfortable acquiring an arm like deGrom versus if this team didn't have as successful of a track record. 

I wouldn't be worried about this season. He definitely gives the Jays a huge boost in the rotation and makes them instant World Series contenders if he's healthy. Would worry more about 2026 and 2027 at $37M AAV. 

For the first time in approximately half a decade deGrom appears to be fully healthy, so with a bit of good fortune he's potentially found a way to largely put the injury issues behind him. Having said that with his extensive/varied injury history it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest for him to blow out his shoulder/elbow/lat on a moment's notice and be gone for the rest of the season.

[Eat My Shatkins]

If the Twins sell Atkins should go after Duran and Buxton. Also as previously mentioned, Keller and Bednar from the Pirates. All 4 players under control beyond 2025.

(Healthy Lineup)

 

LF - Buxton

DH - Springer

1B  - Vlad

SS - Bo

RF - Barger

C - Kirk

3B - Clement

CF - Varsho

2B - Giminez

 

Bench - Heineman, Lukes, Straw, Schneider

 

SP - Gausman

SP - Berrios

SP - Bassit

SP  - Keller

SP - Sherzer

 

CL - Duran

SU8 - Bednar

SU7 - Hoffman

MR - Little

MR - Fisher

MR - Garcia

MR - Green / Sandlin / Bruihl

LR - Lauer

[jmomcc]

I'd guess this is unpopular.  And as a preamble, i'd say he is a valuable pitcher right now due to his health and inning eating in the regular season. The regular season part is important. 

But, the trade i would make at the deadline is trading Berrios. He is under the hood declining. By pretty much any underlying stat he is our fourth best pitcher right now, and that is with me assuming that Lauer is over performing. And if i was the gm i'd take probably the last chance off that contract at the deadline. And i'd also want to take it out of the manager's hands whether to start him in a playoff game. 

 

 

All his fastballs are down about a tick this year. He has the 5th lowest xFIP, the 5th lowest xERA, and 5th lowest Sierra. Among starters. 

 

He has the worst stuff+ (worse than bowden francis) as basically all his pitches are below average. And a 94 pitching+. 

 

This is simply not a guy you want to take the ball in a playoff game and honestly if his velo takes another tick down he could be a problem in the rotation next year. He also has 66m left after this year. I don't want to pay $66m to a guy who rationally shouldn't start a playoff game. 

 

He also has a great ERA and years of proof that he can stay healthy. Contending teams will want pitching at the deadline and its possible we could get off this contract. 

 

For example, the Angels always need pitching. They are fighting for the playoffs and are willing to run an above average payroll. We could try Berrios for detmers plus other stuff. They would get a starter. We'd get a leverage reliever. 

 

Then we can trade prospects for someone who can start a playoff game (expensive) and a back end starter (cheaper). 

 

I'd suggest Severino for the first one as he fits into Berrios' money, and he has a truly elite slider, so if he has bad form, he can fit in in leverage in the bullpen come playoffs. The As will also probably want off that contract. 

 

Then we could run a rotation of Gausman, Scherzer, Severino, Bassitt, Lauer/back end starter. 

 

I don't think this is the kind of move we do, and its possible every other team looks at him and just wants nothing to do with that contract, but i would attempt this at least. 

 

 

[Stangstag]

5 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

I'd guess this is unpopular.  And as a preamble, i'd say he is a valuable pitcher right now due to his health and inning eating in the regular season. The regular season part is important. 

But, the trade i would make at the deadline is trading Berrios. He is under the hood declining. By pretty much any underlying stat he is our fourth best pitcher right now, and that is with me assuming that Lauer is over performing. And if i was the gm i'd take probably the last chance off that contract at the deadline. And i'd also want to take it out of the manager's hands whether to start him in a playoff game. 

 

 

All his fastballs are down about a tick this year. He has the 5th lowest xFIP, the 5th lowest xERA, and 5th lowest Sierra. Among starters. 

 

He has the worst stuff+ (worse than bowden francis) as basically all his pitches are below average. And a 94 pitching+. 

 

This is simply not a guy you want to take the ball in a playoff game and honestly if his velo takes another tick down he could be a problem in the rotation next year. He also has 66m left after this year. I don't want to pay $66m to a guy who rationally shouldn't start a playoff game. 

 

He also has a great ERA and years of proof that he can stay healthy. Contending teams will want pitching at the deadline and its possible we could get off this contract. 

 

For example, the Angels always need pitching. They are fighting for the playoffs and are willing to run an above average payroll. We could try Berrios for detmers plus other stuff. They would get a starter. We'd get a leverage reliever. 

 

Then we can trade prospects for someone who can start a playoff game (expensive) and a back end starter (cheaper). 

 

I'd suggest Severino for the first one as he fits into Berrios' money, and he has a truly elite slider, so if he has bad form, he can fit in in leverage in the bullpen come playoffs. The As will also probably want off that contract. 

 

Then we could run a rotation of Gausman, Scherzer, Severino, Bassitt, Lauer/back end starter. 

 

I don't think this is the kind of move we do, and its possible every other team looks at him and just wants nothing to do with that contract, but i would attempt this at least. 

 

 

Yeah not gonna happen. There’s pretty much 0 chance we move anyone from the active roster. We’ll be adding. All you guys suggesting we trade Bo/Bassitt/whoever are living in fantasy land.

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8 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah not gonna happen. There’s pretty much 0 chance we move anyone from the active roster. We’ll be adding. All you guys suggesting we trade Bo/Bassitt/whoever are living in fantasy land.

It's silly, legit.

 

[jmomcc]

 

14 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

Yeah not gonna happen. There’s pretty much 0 chance we move anyone from the active roster. We’ll be adding. All you guys suggesting we trade Bo/Bassitt/whoever are living in fantasy land.

Are we adding payroll to next year as well? How high are they willing to go assuming we attempt to re-sign Bichette and have to replace Bassitt? 

The twins and Rangers are almost at .500. They would need to lose a lot to sell even assuming they would as they would be contenders next year. 
 

If you are telling me that they would say add severino's money and keep Berrios, i'd be happy enough. But i don't see any other way to add elite stuff into our rotation. 
 

And frankly Berrios's contract is bad. If we add just back end starters then our third best starter is Bassit. That's not really good enough for me. 

[Spanky__99]

Wow... lmfao.

[jmomcc]

Alot of emoting and not alot of explaining how Berrios' underlying stats would allow him to start a playoff game that we wanted to win. 

[Spanky__99]

10 minutes ago, jmomcc said:

Alot of emoting and not alot of explaining how Berrios' underlying stats would allow him to start a playoff game that we wanted to win. 

So what do you suggest Toronto does with a #2 in the MLB by numbers?

This is both in fWAR and bWAR... trade him? Get your head out of your ass.

[jmomcc]

5 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

So what do you suggest Toronto does with a #2 in the MLB by numbers?

This is both in fWAR and bWAR... trade him? Get your head out of your ass.

What should we do with the guy who is 5th or 6th by underlying stats or stuff and will get paid $66m over the next three years? Whose velo is ticking down?
 

You get out while the going is good. You Chris Archer his ass if you have any sense. 
 

I assume payroll isn't unlimited. If ownership is ok going high 200s, then i don't care either way. 

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[Brownie19]

7 hours ago, jmomcc said:

Alot of emoting and not alot of explaining how Berrios' underlying stats would allow him to start a playoff game that we wanted to win. 

I personally don't like Berrios either.  I don't trust him and I don't really want him starting playoff games myself.  

I don't hate the idea of trying to get out from under his remaining contract, but with Bassitt hitting the free agent market after this year, Francis regressing, Manoah a complete unknown, etc. at this point - I suspect the Jays see value in the stability he provides to the rotation - even if he's overpaid (a bit - it's not a crazy amount).  

Is there some scenario where we can trade Berrios and bring in another starter with control to replace him (Keller, Sandy, Severino)?  I guess so, but you're getting into video game trades a bit - it's simply difficult to make several major trades like that, as finding the right trade partners isn't easy.

I think we're stuck with Berrios - for better or for worse.  It could be a lot worse though - at least he's still a horse.  Our strong defense behind him covers up a lot.

And by the way - I don't think anyone where expects us to re-sign Bo.  He's gone unless he wants to sign a 1 year pillow deal in Toronto.

[Laika]

8 hours ago, jmomcc said:

I'd guess this is unpopular.  And as a preamble, i'd say he is a valuable pitcher right now due to his health and inning eating in the regular season. The regular season part is important. 

But, the trade i would make at the deadline is trading Berrios. He is under the hood declining. By pretty much any underlying stat he is our fourth best pitcher right now, and that is with me assuming that Lauer is over performing. And if i was the gm i'd take probably the last chance off that contract at the deadline. And i'd also want to take it out of the manager's hands whether to start him in a playoff game. 

All his fastballs are down about a tick this year. He has the 5th lowest xFIP, the 5th lowest xERA, and 5th lowest Sierra. Among starters. 

He has the worst stuff+ (worse than bowden francis) as basically all his pitches are below average. And a 94 pitching+. 

This is simply not a guy you want to take the ball in a playoff game and honestly if his velo takes another tick down he could be a problem in the rotation next year. He also has 66m left after this year. I don't want to pay $66m to a guy who rationally shouldn't start a playoff game. 

He also has a great ERA and years of proof that he can stay healthy. Contending teams will want pitching at the deadline and its possible we could get off this contract. 

For example, the Angels always need pitching. They are fighting for the playoffs and are willing to run an above average payroll. We could try Berrios for detmers plus other stuff. They would get a starter. We'd get a leverage reliever. 

Then we can trade prospects for someone who can start a playoff game (expensive) and a back end starter (cheaper). 

I'd suggest Severino for the first one as he fits into Berrios' money, and he has a truly elite slider, so if he has bad form, he can fit in in leverage in the bullpen come playoffs. The As will also probably want off that contract. 

Then we could run a rotation of Gausman, Scherzer, Severino, Bassitt, Lauer/back end starter. 

I don't think this is the kind of move we do, and its possible every other team looks at him and just wants nothing to do with that contract, but i would attempt this at least. 

It's not unpopular it's just unrealistic. 

Everyone in baseball can see Berrios' declining stuff and diminished upside. No GM is going to think about him as a playoff SP. Toronto barely thought about him as a bonafide playoff SP back in 2023, rather infamously. 

He is a "get there" guy in the rotation. A guy to eat 32 starts every year. 

I don't think there is an MLB team that wants his salary going forward for what he provides. At best he's a non-asset. 

Most people here would enjoy upgrading on Berrios, somehow, but it's just too fantastical. 

[jmomcc]

11 minutes ago, Laika said:

It's not unpopular it's just unrealistic. 

Everyone in baseball can see Berrios' declining stuff and diminished upside. No GM is going to think about him as a playoff SP. Toronto barely thought about him as a bonafide playoff SP back in 2023, rather infamously. 

He is a "get there" guy in the rotation. A guy to eat 32 starts every year. 

I don't think there is an MLB team that wants his salary going forward for what he provides. At best he's a non-asset. 

Most people here would enjoy upgrading on Berrios, somehow, but it's just too fantastical. 

I think he has just enough surface stats and there is probably so little pitching at the deadline, that you MIGHT be able to unload him. 
 

Maybe if we made a decisive move early for one of the few premium starters, reducing the market, and then ate some portion of his money to move him at the deadline? 
 

If he does have value, this is it. 

[jmomcc]

39 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

I personally don't like Berrios either.  I don't trust him and I don't really want him starting playoff games myself.  

I don't hate the idea of trying to get out from under his remaining contract, but with Bassitt hitting the free agent market after this year, Francis regressing, Manoah a complete unknown, etc. at this point - I suspect the Jays see value in the stability he provides to the rotation - even if he's overpaid (a bit - it's not a crazy amount).  

Is there some scenario where we can trade Berrios and bring in another starter with control to replace him (Keller, Sandy, Severino)?  I guess so, but you're getting into video game trades a bit - it's simply difficult to make several major trades like that, as finding the right trade partners isn't easy.

I think we're stuck with Berrios - for better or for worse.  It could be a lot worse though - at least he's still a horse.  Our strong defense behind him covers up a lot.

And by the way - I don't think anyone where expects us to re-sign Bo.  He's gone unless he wants to sign a 1 year pillow deal in Toronto.

Bo is a tricky one. Its very easy to see Baez there to some extent. So, it would be easy to go into a bad contract. 
 

On the other hand, if we are leaning into defense as an identity, it could get even better without him at short.

I'd consider a short deal for Bassitt. 

[glory]

Yeah trading Berrios is a very reasonable opinion, it’s just not realistic given where the Jays are right now. They need him to contend in 2025, even if it’s just to get into the post season. He’s also been very durable and aside from 2022 has been able to maintain good performance despite underlying decline. How long he can keep that up is the question, so selling before he implodes as mentioned it a very reasonable idea, but probably no shot of that happening. Certainly not during the season.

[Laika]

Looks like Berrios' contract is backloaded as well, $24M AAV in 2027 and 2028. 

With some escalators. He could get of these IP ones. 

The contract is a brick, unfortunately. You just take what performance you get from him. By all indications he's great in the clubhouse and popular and a good example so there are some non-monetary reasons to enjoy him. 

2027-2028 Escalators up to $5M
$1M each for 300, 350 innings pitched across 2025-2026
$500,000 each for 375, 400 innings pitched across 2025-2026
$2M for a Cy Young in 2025-2026
$1.5M for finishing 2nd-5th in Cy Young 2025-2026
$750,000 for finishing 6th-10th in Cy Young 2025-2026

[Laika]

If Ross wants to get tricky and try to turn a mid SP into an Ace, the only candidate is Gausman. 

He is only owed $22M in 2026. He is the only Jays SP with a whiff rate that could play somewhere in a playoff rotation. 

Something like the Rangers wanting to get out of the $100M left to DeGrom, but they want to backfill the rotation for 2026, so they take Gausman back. Plus prospects duh.