The Wait Will Soon Be Over [Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Extension] - Hector Gomez

[Jays24]

Hector Gomez casually mentioned "the wait will soon be over" on a Vladimir Guerrero Jr. extension.

Guerrero set a deadline for extension talks: the beginning of spring training. Still only 25 years old, Vlad is set to become a free agent following the 2025 season.

 

 

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[Spanky99]

On 7/22/2024 at 10:17 AM, AMS528 said:

This persistently comes up, but isn't quite right for the trade deadline thread especially with Bo injured through the deadline. It's going to get discussed past the trade deadline so I figured maybe a separate thread was appropriate. It's basically the two most important decision the team has to make, and really will set the expectations of where we're going for the next few years. Bo I think we know is incredibly unlikely for an extension. Vladdy by all accounts and his own words really wants to stay here for his career.

 

I am genuinely fine with a Vladdy extension at this point. He's never going to probably play to the level of whatever extension he gets cause he's such a s***** baserunner and his defense is below average, but I think I do believe in his bat to be solid at least.

 

Bo's injury filled season has potentially f***ed us. We're not going to get the value we want out of a guy who is probably not going to stay here anyways. An early offseason deal is best because we really should be targeting someone like Kim if we want to keep competing. It may just be best take what we can rather than hoping he has a good start to the year and then dealing him at next years deadline. Ideally he comes back and has a good end to the season but I'm pretty skeptical at this point.

 

On 9/30/2024 at 9:41 PM, harvey16 said:

I say 10y/$325m gets it done. He's not signing for anything less then $300M

 

On 12/23/2024 at 12:46 PM, Brock Beauchamp said:

This is interesting. I don't fault Guerrero for setting a deadline but the opening of camp is somewhat surprising; many deals are wrapped up once the two sides meet face-to-face in spring.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/12/vladimir-guerrero-jr-sets-spring-training-deadline-for-extension-talks-with-blue-jays.html

 

He said the Jays are still way off on dollars, which are reportedly $340m. That's... a lot for a first baseman, who isn't even a good defensive first baseman. It's in the Jays' interests to retain Vladdy but what dollar number is a hard "no" for you?

 

On 1/1/2025 at 10:00 PM, Jays24 said:

 

 

On 1/15/2025 at 3:27 PM, Jays24 said:

According to Mike Rodriguez, a source has told him that the New York Mets are attempting to trade for Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Which is strange news because former Met and current free agent first baseman Pete Alonso is... right there. A long-time fan favorite in Queens, Alonso has had a quiet offseason as he looks for a long-term contract.

To say the least, this feels like an odd fit for both teams.

Report: Mets checked in with Blue Jays about Guerrero this winter

https://thescore.com/mlb/news/3190734

 

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20 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/s/PDd35hj6pU

Posting a reddit link just for Spanky!! 

 

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Same s***, different pile.

[Jays24]

1 minute ago, Spanky99 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Same s***, different pile.

Not sure wtf your post was but welcome to the rumour mill of every sport where there's 100 stories with like 1 actually happening lol. 

[Spanky99]

26 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Not sure wtf your post was but welcome to the rumour mill of every sport where there's 100 stories with like 1 actually happening lol. 

Reddit

[saskjayfan]

9 hours ago, Spanky99 said:

Reddit

Honestly, I trust Reddit way more than twitter!

[saskjayfan]

Just now, saskjayfan said:

Honestly, I trust Reddit way more than twitter!

Ah s***...he posted it on Twitter...lol

[Dale]

Sorry but with the recent contracts with Soto and Ohtani we will not get Vladdy for less than $400 million for ten years. We got into this situation ourselves by actually believing we were part of the race for these two players. They were NEVER coming to Toronto! This is because our illustrious leader Atkins has shown no loyalty to any player (except Teoscar Hernandez, who he is still trying to chase down, in spite of the fact he is already signed). We should have been all over Vladdy last year when we could have easily locked him in for life for $300 million. Instead we are out there chasing other players who also won't come here because of no loyalty from management. Instead we are chasing guys like Max Schurzer, who was a spectacular pitcher in his career, but only pitched 43 innings last year, and we want him to be a starter? We need pirtching more than anything but we have to get long term out of our straters and super relief from our bullpen. We have neither.  Get Vladdy signed, at whatever cost, and then build a contender around him instead of trying to scratch together a team that once again, won't make the playofs.

[Laika]

2 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

Honestly, I trust Reddit way more than twitter!

this makes no sense lol 

reddit is not a source 

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, Dale said:

Sorry but with the recent contracts with Soto and Ohtani we will not get Vladdy for less than $400 million for ten years. We got into this situation ourselves by actually believing we were part of the race for these two players. They were NEVER coming to Toronto! This is because our illustrious leader Atkins has shown no loyalty to any player (except Teoscar Hernandez, who he is still trying to chase down, in spite of the fact he is already signed). We should have been all over Vladdy last year when we could have easily locked him in for life for $300 million. Instead we are out there chasing other players who also won't come here because of no loyalty from management. Instead we are chasing guys like Max Schurzer, who was a spectacular pitcher in his career, but only pitched 43 innings last year, and we want him to be a starter? We need pirtching more than anything but we have to get long term out of our straters and super relief from our bullpen. We have neither.  Get Vladdy signed, at whatever cost, and then build a contender around him instead of trying to scratch together a team that once again, won't make the playofs.

None of this rambling incoherence makes any sense. 

point #1: "Atkins has shown no loyalty to any player...". Who cares? Loyalty gets you screwed. No player signs as a free-agent to an organization because of some made-up feeling of loyalty. 

point #2: "We should have been all over Vladdy last year when we could have easily locked him in for life for $300 million."  Says who? Made up feelings and conjecture?

Point #3: "We need pirtching more than anything but we have to get long term out of our straters..."  3 of the biggest workhorses in today's game are in the Jays starting staff. Clueless point. 

Point #4 " and super relief from the bullpen..."   Every team needs this. This is not a Jays specific problem. Yes, their pen was complete dumpster fire last season. Now, Atkins has 3 bonafide back end capable relievers now in Garcia, Hoffman and Green, and additional arms brought in via trade. Pitching staff as a while projects very well. 

I could go on, but... these are are the big ones. Try again when you have an ounce of baseball acumen. 

[max silver]

2 hours ago, Dale said:

Sorry but with the recent contracts with Soto and Ohtani we will not get Vladdy for less than $400 million for ten years. We got into this situation ourselves by actually believing we were part of the race for these two players. They were NEVER coming to Toronto! This is because our illustrious leader Atkins has shown no loyalty to any player (except Teoscar Hernandez, who he is still trying to chase down, in spite of the fact he is already signed). We should have been all over Vladdy last year when we could have easily locked him in for life for $300 million. Instead we are out there chasing other players who also won't come here because of no loyalty from management. Instead we are chasing guys like Max Schurzer, who was a spectacular pitcher in his career, but only pitched 43 innings last year, and we want him to be a starter? We need pirtching more than anything but we have to get long term out of our straters and super relief from our bullpen. We have neither.  Get Vladdy signed, at whatever cost, and then build a contender around him instead of trying to scratch together a team that once again, won't make the playofs.

Huh? The team is in the current situation with Vlad because they tried to sign elite free agents in Ohtani and Soto? I don't follow your line of thinking. What's this about Atkins chasing after Teoscar? That makes even less sense, the guy is signed and there has been zero evidence about Atkins "trying to chase him down". 

Why would Vlad have signed a long term deal after a terrible season? He knew the same as the rest of us that Soto was nearing free agency and as such was likely to set a new financial bar in free agency. On top of that why on earth would the club want to hand out a $300 million extension to a player that barely topped a single win above replacement in a season where he appeared in 156 games? 

I don't know how you are on about when you say that the team is chasing players that won't come here due to no loyalty from management (whatever that's supposed to mean), and then immediately list Max Schurzer (I like this spelling), who has literally announced as having already signed with the team. 

I fully expect that Vladdybacon or whatever his name is will chastise me for pointing out how dumb your post is. He takes personal offense to dumb posts being labelled as such for some reason.

[glory]

That's a great tweet by Hector. "The wait will soon be over" works whether Vlad signs or doesn't. Either Vlad signs and that tweet was breaking some insider knowledge, or Vlad doesn't sign and Hector was just saying that we will know soon enough because Vlad's deadline is coming up. He can't be wrong either way. When it comes to engagement farming, that was well done. 

[wilko]

58 minutes ago, glory said:

That's a great tweet by Hector. "The wait will soon be over" works whether Vlad signs or doesn't. Either Vlad signs and that tweet was breaking some insider knowledge, or Vlad doesn't sign and Hector was just saying that we will know soon enough because Vlad's deadline is coming up. He can't be wrong either way. When it comes to engagement farming, that was well done. 

Hector doesn't f*** around. 

[jaysblue]

Spotted Atkins and Vladdy walking out of REIGN Ladies' & Gentlemen's Nightclub in Clearwater this afternoon. Vladdy looked happy!

[John_Havok]

5 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Spotted Atkins and Vladdy walking out of REIGN Ladies' & Gentlemen's Nightclub in Clearwater this afternoon. Vladdy looked happy!

Stalker.

 

But please keep up the good work!

[BTS]

So today is the deadline for getting a deal done before free agency?

[Spanky99]

20 minutes ago, BTS said:

So today is the deadline for getting a deal done before free agency?

Yup.

[Carlos Danger]

Evaluating this from a purely business decision.  My own feelings aside.

Unless the deal is $400m or less for 10 ys ~  the Jays should not sign an extension.

[JaysAllMighty]

He's milking the cow, but he's no Soto or Othani.

[Jays24]

14 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

Evaluating this from a purely business decision.  My own feelings aside.

Unless the deal is $400m or less for 10 ys ~  the Jays should not sign an extension.

I just wish they figured this out before free agency started.  There were tons of other free agent 1st baseman available and the market for a Vladdy trade would have been much hotter.  

In the end, I think Rogers steps in to meet Vladdy's requirements together a deal done tonight, we'll soon find out. 

[Carlos Danger]

Remember it looked like the Jays were going to arb with Vladdy again and then the late news broke after the "deadline" that they had reached an agreement.

Point being, I wouldn't count my chickens in this process until probably at least noon ET ~ tomorrow.

[glory]

48 minutes ago, Carlos Danger said:

Evaluating this from a purely business decision.  My own feelings aside.

Unless the deal is $400m or less for 10 ys ~  the Jays should not sign an extension.

That's why I don't see this coming together. It's numbers vs emotion, and say whatever you want about Shatkins, but they don't operate on emotion. They will stick to their perceived valuation or plan almost every single time. This is a deal that Ed will have to come in and override the front office, or Vlad will have to bring his asking price down (which he has no reason to). 

I think there is logic behind a mild overpay, let's say $450M or something like that, even acknowledging that it won't age well, but if it's $500M or more, then it gets into a really dangerous area. If Vlad was an OF or 3B or something where you can hope for some defensive or baserunning value, then it would have helped his case, but he's basically a player that if he doesn't have a 160 wRC+ every year is likely going to fluctuate from a value standpoint (as he has in his career so far). 

I hope something gets worked out but I wouldn't necessarily blame the front office if it didn't. The real issue is not having a real plan. He should have been extended or traded. The Astros have had more success than the Jays by a landslide over the last decade and moved Tucker without any hesitation. You have to be decisive, one way or the other. 

[John_Havok]

51 minutes ago, glory said:

That's why I don't see this coming together. It's numbers vs emotion, and say whatever you want about Shatkins, but they don't operate on emotion. They will stick to their perceived valuation or plan almost every single time. This is a deal that Ed will have to come in and override the front office, or Vlad will have to bring his asking price down (which he has no reason to). 

I think there is logic behind a mild overpay, let's say $450M or something like that, even acknowledging that it won't age well, but if it's $500M or more, then it gets into a really dangerous area. If Vlad was an OF or 3B or something where you can hope for some defensive or baserunning value, then it would have helped his case, but he's basically a player that if he doesn't have a 160 wRC+ every year is likely going to fluctuate from a value standpoint (as he has in his career so far). 

I hope something gets worked out but I wouldn't necessarily blame the front office if it didn't. The real issue is not having a real plan. He should have been extended or traded. The Astros have had more success than the Jays by a landslide over the last decade and moved Tucker without any hesitation. You have to be decisive, one way or the other. 

Agreed, but the Astros and the Jays are not in the same situation as franchises. Pointing to team X and saying "they did it so the Jays should have too" isn't overly productive. 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 hour ago, glory said:

That's why I don't see this coming together. It's numbers vs emotion, and say whatever you want about Shatkins, but they don't operate on emotion. They will stick to their perceived valuation or plan almost every single time. This is a deal that Ed will have to come in and override the front office, or Vlad will have to bring his asking price down (which he has no reason to). 

I think there is logic behind a mild overpay, let's say $450M or something like that, even acknowledging that it won't age well, but if it's $500M or more, then it gets into a really dangerous area. If Vlad was an OF or 3B or something where you can hope for some defensive or baserunning value, then it would have helped his case, but he's basically a player that if he doesn't have a 160 wRC+ every year is likely going to fluctuate from a value standpoint (as he has in his career so far). 

This is how I view the situation. Frankly, it's okay to be a little stupid in these situations. Baseball is a spectator sport. The Jays have literally never had a one-jersey star in their 50 years of existence. It's not only okay but probably the smart decision to throw out your valuations and get it done (assuming Vlad isn't asking for something completely outrageous like $550m).

Fan morale matters. Having a home-grown star stay in Toronto for his entire career matters. How much is that worth? Dunno, but it's the kind of thing that's really hard to put a number on and front offices that refuse to budge from their valuations are just wrong in special circumstances. If you're willing to pay Soto $700m, it's a no-brainer to pay Vlad $450m. Vlad won't put up the numbers of a Soto but he'll sell tickets, jerseys, and create consistency in the organization and that's valuable.

[Spanky99]

2 hours ago, Carlos Danger said:

Evaluating this from a purely business decision.  My own feelings aside.

Unless the deal is $400m or less for 10 ys ~  the Jays should not sign an extension.

BOD leaked he wanted 10/400M at the beginning of the offseason to Big C. He certainly wants more than that after, Soto. I'd give him the big number with a bunch of deferrals and years with a 5 year opt out. Something like 550M with a bunch of deferrals that drop the number to something more like 10/400M.

40AAV is plenty for the greedy bastard, lol... 😂😜

 

[Spanky99]

1 hour ago, glory said:

That's why I don't see this coming together. It's numbers vs emotion, and say whatever you want about Shatkins, but they don't operate on emotion. They will stick to their perceived valuation or plan almost every single time. This is a deal that Ed will have to come in and override the front office, or Vlad will have to bring his asking price down (which he has no reason to). 

I think there is logic behind a mild overpay, let's say $450M or something like that, even acknowledging that it won't age well, but if it's $500M or more, then it gets into a really dangerous area. If Vlad was an OF or 3B or something where you can hope for some defensive or baserunning value, then it would have helped his case, but he's basically a player that if he doesn't have a 160 wRC+ every year is likely going to fluctuate from a value standpoint (as he has in his career so far). 

I hope something gets worked out but I wouldn't necessarily blame the front office if it didn't. The real issue is not having a real plan. He should have been extended or traded. The Astros have had more success than the Jays by a landslide over the last decade and moved Tucker without any hesitation. You have to be decisive, one way or the other. 

Very well said, glory. We'll find out soon enough, I just don't want this looming over all season, it'll make me stick forks in my eyes from all the comments. 😜

[saskjayfan]

59 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Agreed, but the Astros and the Jays are not in the same situation as franchises. Pointing to team X and saying "they did it so the Jays should have too" isn't overly productive. 

 

So we 7 more hours before midnight.  Is that the deadline, or is it 12 pacific?  Maybe we have 9 more hours..lol

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, saskjayfan said:

So we 7 more hours before midnight.  Is that the deadline, or is it 12 pacific?  Maybe we have 9 more hours..lol

I dunno what the real deadline is, I'm almost numb and indifferent to it at this point. 

[JaysfaninFL]

If being a Blue Jay fan has taught us anything, it's not to get our hopes up.

[jaysblue]

According to my sources, Vladdy, his agent, Atkins, and Shapiro are in Vegas. 

[ValiantJaysFan]

Guess he didn't sign.