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[John_Havok]

Brandon Woodruff just came back from injury today for the Brewers, threw just 70 pitches over 6 IP, surrendered only 2 hits (1 of them a solo HR) and struck out 8 over 6 innings with no walks.  

Might this be a guy that will be offered up in trade talks after a few more starts leading up to the deadline??? 

Reasons Milwaukee might trade him: Money. When he got hurt they signed him to a contract to cover his injury seasons (2.5m for 2024, 5.5m for 2025) but with a 10million buyout of a 20 million mutual option for 2026. I'm sure they'd love to get our from under that buyout. Misioroski's dominant debut probably has them more motivated to shed that buyout and get something back as well. 

 

[jaysblue]

33 minutes ago, John_Havok said:

Brandon Woodruff just came back from injury today for the Brewers, threw just 70 pitches over 6 IP, surrendered only 2 hits (1 of them a solo HR) and struck out 8 over 6 innings with no walks.  

Might this be a guy that will be offered up in trade talks after a few more starts leading up to the deadline??? 

Reasons Milwaukee might trade him: Money. When he got hurt they signed him to a contract to cover his injury seasons (2.5m for 2024, 5.5m for 2025) but with a 10million buyout of a 20 million mutual option for 2026. I'm sure they'd love to get our from under that buyout. Misioroski's dominant debut probably has them more motivated to shed that buyout and get something back as well. 

 

Yeah if Milwaukee moves any of their arms, its likely Woodruff given that he could be a FA at the end of this season. I would imagine Milwaukee would want players or arms that could help them this season given their record. Unless the Brewers fall out of the race by the deadline. 

[John_Havok]

49 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Yeah if Milwaukee moves any of their arms, its likely Woodruff given that he could be a FA at the end of this season. I would imagine Milwaukee would want players or arms that could help them this season given their record. Unless the Brewers fall out of the race by the deadline. 

Probably yeah. But the motivation for them to shed about 12 million dollars might bring that ask down a bit. 

Milwaukee is actually pretty much the NL version of the Jays when you look at where they were prior to June 1 and have gone nuts since then to climb back into it. The key difference being the ability to add payroll for whatever makes sense (Jays) vs not so much for Milwaukee.

I don't even know what a return for them would look like from the Jays for them if we assume they want players to help them now. Their rotation is already solid. Pen is solid. 

Theyre probably looking to add a position player for the left side of the infieldand i doubt that's something the Jays could provide at the level they want. 

 

[Brownie19]

3 hours ago, Jonn said:

Literally embarrassing for the sport. Don't forget about Soto and Suzuki getting snubbed in the NL.

Won't most of these players end up on the team anyway as injury replacements?  There's always a # of players who pull out due to injury.

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, John_Havok said:

Probably yeah. But the motivation for them to shed about 12 million dollars might bring that ask down a bit. 

Milwaukee is actually pretty much the NL version of the Jays when you look at where they were prior to June 1 and have gone nuts since then to climb back into it. The key difference being the ability to add payroll for whatever makes sense (Jays) vs not so much for Milwaukee.

I don't even know what a return for them would look like from the Jays for them if we assume they want players to help them now. Their rotation is already solid. Pen is solid. 

Theyre probably looking to add a position player for the left side of the infieldand i doubt that's something the Jays could provide at the level they want. 

 

Woodruff for Bo?  That's not what the Brewers would want (an expiring contract), but that might be the type of player they want to help them win this year...

[jaysblue]

11 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Woodruff for Bo?  That's not what the Brewers would want (an expiring contract), but that might be the type of player they want to help them win this year...

Yeah I suggested this trade idea a couple of days ago. Definitely a challenge type of deal. Brewers get a huge upgrade over Joey Ortiz at SS and don't really lose a beat in regards to their starting rotation. Jays get a top of the rotation arm in Woodruff and have enough infield depth to cover the loss of Bo at shortstop with Clement who can step into the role. Just got to hope Gimenez isn't out for too long at second. I'm okay with a Barger - Clement - Gimenez - Vladdy infield. 

Jays would actually improve defensively and as much as I love Bo's offensive potential, he isn't really tearing the cover off the ball this season: 105 wRC+ and a .270/.310/.427 slash line with 12 HR's and 51 RBI. If Bo has made it clear to the FO that he won't re-sign an extension with the Jays, makes this type of deal actually easier. 

[saskjayfan]

14 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Brandon Woodruff just came back from injury today for the Brewers, threw just 70 pitches over 6 IP, surrendered only 2 hits (1 of them a solo HR) and struck out 8 over 6 innings with no walks.  

Might this be a guy that will be offered up in trade talks after a few more starts leading up to the deadline??? 

Reasons Milwaukee might trade him: Money. When he got hurt they signed him to a contract to cover his injury seasons (2.5m for 2024, 5.5m for 2025) but with a 10million buyout of a 20 million mutual option for 2026. I'm sure they'd love to get our from under that buyout. Misioroski's dominant debut probably has them more motivated to shed that buyout and get something back as well. 

 

The brewers are in 1.5 games up on the wild card position.  They really shouldn't be trading Woodruff who is an ace. The Brewers are the Brewers though.  Would you trade Bassitt, Clement and a mid prospect for him?  They aren't punting the season with that trade.  Losing clement would hurt, but Woodruff is your game 1 starter in the playoffs. 

[Laika]

Woodruff wasn't really missing bats on rehab and his velocity is way down. I'd be a bit hesitant. 

That being said, if he returns to form and the Brewers put him on the block, that's everyone else's #1 target and the style of trade the Brewers would want would be like when they dumped Hader mid-season for a replacement reliever + a few prospects. 

Bo straight up for Woodruff might be fair but it probably takes Bo + prospects which is annoying. 

[Laika]

I also don't think the Brewers are desperate to upgrade on Ortiz.

He has been decent in the last month and is playing good D and projects to be okay still. 

[Brownie19]

51 minutes ago, Laika said:

Woodruff wasn't really missing bats on rehab and his velocity is way down. I'd be a bit hesitant. 

That being said, if he returns to form and the Brewers put him on the block, that's everyone else's #1 target and the style of trade the Brewers would want would be like when they dumped Hader mid-season for a replacement reliever + a few prospects. 

Bo straight up for Woodruff might be fair but it probably takes Bo + prospects which is annoying. 

Yeah - we're just spit balling.  Obviously we'd need to see Woodruff shove more before you'd target him.  Unfortunately, the 'ace' market is paper thin in the year we need one.

[G-Snarls]

MLBTR

The Nationals have made an in-season shake-up of their organization, as ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports that president of baseball operations Mike Rizzo and manager Dave Martinez have both been fired.  The Nats have confirmed the news, and announced that assistant GM Mike DeBartolo will be the team’s interim general manager for the remainder of the season.  An interim manager to replace Martinez will be determined tomorrow.

[AMS528]

I think it was pretty widely expected that even if the Orioles didn't spend, they would at least maintain being good on the strength of their young stars, plus some of their other highly ranked prospects panning out. It is crazy how that has played out. 

Coby Mayo has been bad in the bigs and mediocre this year in the minors so far. 

Kjerstad is now 26 and has been awful. Probably not a major leaguer the way he's looked. 

Rutschman went from being a superstar in his rookie year to now an ok starter, but you could certainly do better than how he's looked on both ends. Figured he could have a bounceback year but hasn't happened.

Gunnar Henderson is still quite good, but he's taken a step back as well from being one of the best in baseball. 

Jackson Holliday is very young and could still be a star for sure, but for now he's a decent starter. 

Pitching wise they've had some struggles with any potential young starters as well. 

No guarantees in baseball. 

 

[bronson44]

Kinda cool article about some behind the scenes trade deadline stuff.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45661110/mlb-trade-deadline-2025-gms-best-stories-deals-fell-rumors

[John_Havok]

Shelby Miller to the IL with a forearm strain. Cant come back until July 21 at the earliest.

Hurts his trade chances for sure

[Spanky__99]

12 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah - we're just spit balling.  Obviously we'd need to see Woodruff shove more before you'd target him.  Unfortunately, the 'ace' market is paper thin in the year we need one.

It's not a bad trade idea in context, I'd be down, for a trade like that. Doubt it happens, though.

[Brownie19]

8 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

It's not a bad trade idea in context, I'd be down, for a trade like that. Doubt it happens, though.

Yeah - I agree.  Doubtful everything comes together for a trade like that to happen.  Maybe a 3-way deal where someone else gets Bo and the Brewers get players with control in return....but 3-way trades are even more difficult to pull off.  Fun to chat about though.

[John_Havok]

9 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Yeah - I agree.  Doubtful everything comes together for a trade like that to happen.  Maybe a 3-way deal where someone else gets Bo and the Brewers get players with control in return....but 3-way trades are even more difficult to pull off.  Fun to chat about though.

Who doesnt love a good 3-way?

[mphenhef]

11 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Who doesnt love a good 3-way?

Seinfeld

[connorp2]

On 7/7/2025 at 4:13 PM, Laika said:

Woodruff wasn't really missing bats on rehab and his velocity is way down. I'd be a bit hesitant. 

That being said, if he returns to form and the Brewers put him on the block, that's everyone else's #1 target and the style of trade the Brewers would want would be like when they dumped Hader mid-season for a replacement reliever + a few prospects. 

Bo straight up for Woodruff might be fair but it probably takes Bo + prospects which is annoying. 

“It probably takes Bo + prospects” because why would they trade a #1 SP in a playoff race, or not trade that piece to a playoff team, for a rental decent SS instead? What sense would that make exactly? 

[Laika]

I dunno, dickface. It's the Brewers. They traded their closer in a playoff race because of money. They do weird stuff all the time. 

[jaysblue]

49 minutes ago, Laika said:

I dunno, dickface. It's the Brewers. They traded their closer in a playoff race because of money. They do weird stuff all the time. 

You would think they would have learned from that mistake, but who knows lol. 

[John_Havok]

16 hours ago, connorp2 said:

“It probably takes Bo + prospects” because why would they trade a #1 SP in a playoff race, or not trade that piece to a playoff team, for a rental decent SS instead? What sense would that make exactly? 

They've put themselves in a playoff position without him all season and have a completely solid rotation without him.... so trading him away to fill their actual areas of weakness makes a ton of sense, and even more when you factor in the 12ish million dollars it saves them. 

There's also a defensible argument to keep him but, there's no doubt if they ever want to capitalize on him when they really don't NEED him, it would be at the deadline if he has some great starts between now and July 31

[hanton]

Pfaadt goes 8 innings for the first time in his career.  Seems so rare now for a starter to go past even 6 innings, just checked the average this year is 5.2 - that's crazy

[Brownie19]

15 hours ago, John_Havok said:

They've put themselves in a playoff position without him all season and have a completely solid rotation without him.... so trading him away to fill their actual areas of weakness makes a ton of sense, and even more when you factor in the 12ish million dollars it saves them. 

There's also a defensible argument to keep him but, there's no doubt if they ever want to capitalize on him when they really don't NEED him, it would be at the deadline if he has some great starts between now and July 31

Exactly.  They need more offense.

[jaysblue]

10 hours ago, hanton said:

Pfaadt goes 8 innings for the first time in his career.  Seems so rare now for a starter to go past even 6 innings, just checked the average this year is 5.2 - that's crazy

Finally helping my fantasy team now lol.

The days of arms like Roy Halladay finishing 10-12 games per season or going 7 innings minimum are gone lol. 

[G-Snarls]

DJ Lemahieu DFA and released

 

[june.june]

Personally, I don’t mind the Jays taking a flyer on the newly DFA’d NY Yankee DJ LeMahieu

maybe he can provide some dugout insider information haha.

seriously, maybe a change of scenery with less pressure is what he need 

[hanton]

4 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

DJ Lemahieu DFA and released

 

he wanted to stay in New York and signed that team friendly contract in 2021, all down hill for him after that.  Lucky we didn't sign him

[bronson44]

Woo no hitting the Yanks through 7

[gruber9292]

Munoz is a pos