What is the reason for the lack of international talent on the roster?

[5ToolPhenom]

This team reminds me of some of those weak hitting JP Riccardi teams, the ones that the Toronto media dubbed 'The Toronto White Jays'. I look around at the roster and it's full of low ceiling, limp noodle white guys like Ernie Clement, Cavan Biggio, Keimaier, small-sample-size-Schneider and so on and so forth. Aside from Vlad (pretty much the only guy on the team who can put a charge in the ball), there's really no high ceiling international talent. The roster is void of the international physical specimens like the Elly De la Cruz, Juan Soto, Julio Rodriguez, Jose Ramirez and Adolis Garcia's of the world.

 

Alex Anthopolous was never scared to dig into the international talent pool but there seems to be a concerted change in tactic with the roster construction from Shapiro. It's my opinion that we need some fiery international talent to shake up the doldrums of this tired and lackluster roster.

 

I hope no one takes this thread in a politically incorrect way because it's not intended to be. It's just something I've noticed about the Blue Jays when comparing them to other good teams.

[connorp]

Max can tell you about Manuel Beltre being over league average in A ball at 20 years old. Don’t forget about him

[5ToolPhenom]

Max can tell you about Manuel Beltre being over league average in A ball at 20 years old. Don’t forget about him

 

Lmao that really does about say it all.

[Abomination]

There's really very few of those guys in general though, and with the systems that have been in place internationally we're not necessarily the first choice destination for signing them outside of FA.

 

As far as our current ML roster + DL goes, we do have 2 Dominicans, 3 Canadians (plus whatever you want to call Vladdy), a Mexican, a Japanese, a Puerto Rican, and a Cuban. We have a few potential guys like Orelvis in the minors as well. I don't think the FO really cares where the players come from though, as long as they perform. I'm sure they'd be perfectly happy having an entire team from some little village in Africa if they were great ball players.

[max silver]

Max can tell you about Manuel Beltre being over league average in A ball at 20 years old. Don’t forget about him

 

I don't know if I should be terrified that you are so obsessed about me or whether I should be satisfied that I'm living in your head rent free. It seems as though you mention me by name something like 10 times per day so I must have made a very solid impression.

[connorp]

I don't know if I should be terrified that you are so obsessed about me or whether I should be satisfied that I'm living in your head rent free. It seems as though you mention me by name something like 10 times per day so I must have made a very solid impression.

 

I’m glad you’re flattered, Max. It’s well known you’re the President of the Homer club here. I didn’t invent the wheel here. I think your name is used by many as more of a personification though. The “Max’s” or “dudes like Max”.. that sort of thing. People just immediately understand the point being made.

[glory]

There was a time during the JPR days when the only non-white players on the team were Wells, Rios, Chacin (all drafted/signed pre JP), and Bengie Molina. That's not even counting the farm system which was whiter than toothpaste at the time. I don't necessarily disagree with your point on the lack of international talent, but JPR is in his own league in that category.

[Stangstag]

We drafted Mr. India with our 1st rd pick last year, what more do you want??

[Spanky99]

I’m glad you’re flattered, Max. It’s well known you’re the President of the Homer club here. I didn’t invent the wheel here. I think your name is used by many as more of a personification though. The “Max’s” or “dudes like Max”.. that sort of thing. People just immediately understand the point being made.

 

Or the *morons* like connor.

[Olerud363]

This team reminds me of some of those weak hitting JP Riccardi teams, the ones that the Toronto media dubbed 'The Toronto White Jays'. I look around at the roster and it's full of low ceiling, limp noodle white guys like Ernie Clement, Cavan Biggio, Keimaier, small-sample-size-Schneider and so on and so forth. Aside from Vlad (pretty much the only guy on the team who can put a charge in the ball), there's really no high ceiling international talent. The roster is void of the international physical specimens like the Elly De la Cruz, Juan Soto, Julio Rodriguez, Jose Ramirez and Adolis Garcia's of the world.

 

Alex Anthopolous was never scared to dig into the international talent pool but there seems to be a concerted change in tactic with the roster construction from Shapiro. It's my opinion that we need some fiery international talent to shake up the doldrums of this tired and lackluster roster.

 

I hope no one takes this thread in a politically incorrect way because it's not intended to be. It's just something I've noticed about the Blue Jays when comparing them to other good teams.

 

They have Orelvis popup Martinez and some Jiminez guy that will be good if his D at short scores well and Beltre and Jesus hitting .200 with 2 ks a game in New Hampshire.

 

They have lots of international signees and they suck. They have lots of college white boys who could probably be OK in their age 27 season but will spend that in Buffalo. The management has signed and drafted players of all different colors and backgrounds and they all suck.

[Olerud363]

They have Orelvis popup Martinez and some Jiminez guy that will be good if his D at short scores well and Beltre and Jesus hitting .200 with 2 ks a game in New Hampshire.

 

They have lots of international signees and they suck. They have lots of college white boys who could probably be OK in their age 27 season but will spend that in Buffalo. The management has signed and drafted players of all different colors and backgrounds and they all suck.

 

They even signed some Eastern Indian guy which was a nice story until they put him in against low a ball pitchers and discovered he doesn't have the hand eye coordination to ever get past Vancouver (high single a)

 

So they tried every type, no pattern except they are all bad picks except Mustache Schneider but he probably sucks too but just has a determined attitude.

[Olerud363]

https://www.milb.com/player/enmanuel-bonilla-806962

 

His name is Bonilla. Emanuel Bonilla. He is 18. He is international. He wasn't even allowed to try the low A league that the Indian guy sucked at but was put at some even lower league that isn't even A.

 

He started off "hot" after 6 games looking good and everyone thought he might not suck but his k/bb was 0 to 8 even when hitting .400 the first 6 games.

 

However the 0 / 8 bb/k after 5 games was a pretty good hint he sucks, and he does suck in some low, super low a league that he should be dominating even at 18.

 

They all suck. Every single one of them, whether 18 or 27, no matter what color.

[wilko]

They could use a few more Cuban players.

[connorp]

Some of Oleruds better work I think

[tazsub3]

horrible management.

simple as that

[mphenhef]

There was a time during the JPR days when the only non-white players on the team were Wells, Rios, Chacin (all drafted/signed pre JP), and Bengie Molina. That's not even counting the farm system which was whiter than toothpaste at the time. I don't necessarily disagree with your point on the lack of international talent, but JPR is in his own league in that category.

 

Is that when Griffin wrote the famous White Jays piece?

[keggy]

I don't know about you guys but I watch baseball to take a break from hearing about people's race every 13 seconds. Let's argue about Israel and Palestine while we're at it

[connorp]

I don't know about you guys but I watch baseball to take a break from hearing about people's race every 13 seconds. Let's argue about Israel and Palestine while we're at it

 

They encourage that here to change it up every once in an awhile. Seems there was some big news even yesterday. I can almost hear the sound of Jim fapping thousands of miles away. Sort of like a Jays sweep though. Season isn’t ending how he’d like.

[wilko]

I don't know about you guys but I watch baseball to take a break from hearing about people's race every 13 seconds. Let's argue about Israel and Palestine while we're at it

 

Good idea! I'll start a poll.