Blue Jays Trade Espinal to the Reds for Chris McElvain

[max silver]

Good riddance, Shittiago Espitrash

 

Hopefully you can stop using this completely awful cringe inducing nickname.

[Jays24]

Red Sox?

 

I was referring to the original Steve Pearce trade as the joke lol

[gruber92]

Hurray!!

[Jimcanuck]

Thank Goodness!!

[gruber92]

Good on Ross to get over his yips on having to part ways with a player who had success in the MLB vs a player who has not. I know Ross also has a liking for Lantigua, as do I, bumps him up the pecking order.

[Abomination]

McElvain looks like a future reliever to me, but that probably ticks his stuff up to slightly above average on all 3 pitches. Can't complain about that.

[Laika]

He can spin the breaking ball and the fastball has good shape, just not enough velo. Close though.

 

92.7 mph

17.5 IVB

 

Slider is 81.4 with 2400 rpm

 

 

To put this in perspective, he's already better than Manoah

[Omar]

Looks like Clement's ST performance finally forced Ross Atkins hand....see ya Espy.

[G-Snarls]

Looks like Clement's ST performance finally forced Ross Atkins hand....see ya Espy.

 

Good

 

It's about time some pruction comes from the farm system again

[P2F]

Hope you're having a celebratory double somewhere tonight, BTS! Edited March 21, 2024 by P2F

[Stangstag]

Good

 

It's about time some pruction comes from the farm system again

 

Clement kinda reminds me of Tim Anderson.

Slim build and a similar swing, same low walk rate but Ernie has more contact and less power. High AVG/BABIP guy, he’ll live and die by the BABIP gods.

[Dick_Pole]

With all the bitching here about Espinal, end result is 5 WAR over a season and a half worth of at bats and the Jays paying the league minimum. We can only hope that a prospect like Pearson who the team has spent a lot more effort and resources on gets to that level. The team did well with Espinal and he had a good run. Time to move as there are better options for the Jays.

[Spanky99]

This might be the first Atkins trade that no one bitches about

 

Words might never be more true concerning the makeup of this team, and the return is intriguing, I wish Espy well.

[Spanky99]

I was referring to the original Steve Pearce trade as the joke lol

 

Doesn't make sense...

 

[Terminator]

With all the bitching here about Espinal, end result is 5 WAR over a season and a half worth of at bats and the Jays paying the league minimum. We can only hope that a prospect like Pearson who the team has spent a lot more effort and resources on gets to that level. The team did well with Espinal and he had a good run. Time to move as there are better options for the Jays.

 

Yep. Dude was a good player for us and the Reds probably get the better end of this one. But that's what happens when you run into 40-man probs.

[Key22]

Salary dump - hey now we have a roster spot free for Jordan Montgomery.

[BTS]

It's crazy how reliably a surplus sorts itself out. The story for the Reds was their glut of position players, but their season hasn't started and they're out Friedl, Marte, McClain, and Arroyo long term.

[L54]

Red Sox?

 

Steve Pearce tree Spanky

[L54]

It's crazy how reliably a surplus sorts itself out. The story for the Reds was their glut of position players, but their season hasn't started and they're out Friedl, Marte, McClain, and Arroyo long term.

 

It looked like they would be sitting a good position player on the bench every day and now they can barely get enough guys to cover the infield

[Spanky99]

Steve Pearce tree Spanky

 

Oh, okay, now I get it.

[L54]

Oh, okay, now I get it.

 

Not a bad return for Stevey P though

[wilko]

Let ernie cook!

[Joltin Joe]

Espinal looked like good played first of it. Then back peddled. He was good natural athlete. Surprising

[Laika]

Espinal looked like good played first of it. Then back peddled. He was good natural athlete. Surprising

 

He was smaller and more mobile when he came up

 

I think he added mass to try and add power and it took away too much of his speed and mobility. And defensive talent.

[Stangstag]

He was smaller and more mobile when he came up

 

I think he added mass to try and add power and it took away too much of his speed and mobility. And defensive talent.

 

I think he has major leg/knee/foot issues. Dude runs like a 40 yr old Pujols.

[Laika]

I think he has major leg/knee/foot issues. Dude runs like a 40 yr old Pujols.

 

That would also make sense.

 

Some players just play through injuries and we never hear of them. He did IMO become weirdly slow and stiff, almost suddenly

[max silver]

That would also make sense.

 

Some players just play through injuries and we never hear of them. He did IMO become weirdly slow and stiff, almost suddenly

 

This isn't really displayed by his top end running numbers though. He came up to MLB averaging 27.0 ft/second on the bases. This only dropped to 26.9 feet/second last season. His running splits got worse by a similarly small margin as well. To my eyes the glovework is the biggest factor in his defense that declined as he started clanking a lot of plays that should have been completely routine. On top of that he started making a lot of mental errors in the field as well which compounded the issues further.