Ohtani Thread - Special Sheriff's Edition (Update: confirmed going to the Dodgers)

[jaysblue]

Dude you directly stated several times in that post that Ohtani might be a full time DH for the entirety of the contract. There wasn't a single mention that he could play a position on the field if he can't pitch, it was completely binary pitcher/DH.

 

Dude, if Ohtani doesn't pitch, contract is not looking so good unless he can hit like Barry Bonds or post 5 to 6 WAR per season consistently with the bat. You seem very confident that he could play in the OF just so easily into his mid-to-late 30's, when he has only played a total of 7 games in the outfield from 2018 to 2023 here in North America. You should really temper your expectations.

[Frenchsoup]

Shoehei is a gazzelle

[Jays24]

Dude, if Ohtani doesn't pitch, contract is not looking so good unless he can hit like Barry Bonds or post 5 to 6 WAR per season consistently with the bat. You seem very confident that he could play in the OF just so easily into his mid-to-late 30's, when he has only played a total of 7 games in the outfield from 2018 to 2023 here in North America. You should really temper your expectations.

 

Ya I'm with you here. Ohtani will most likely be paid like he'll start for 80% of his contract when it looks like it'll be closer to 20% after 2 TJs. Him playing OF as he's only getting older and heavier seems like a stretch.

 

Although I wonder if there's ever a chance he'd go from starting to becoming a closer. I think he could still play 1B and become a closer later on.

[Jimcanuck]

Ya I'm with you here. Ohtani will most likely be paid like he'll start for 80% of his contract when it looks like it'll be closer to 20% after 2 TJs. Him playing OF as he's only getting older and heavier seems like a stretch.

 

Although I wonder if there's ever a chance he'd go from starting to becoming a closer. I think he could still play 1B and become a closer later on.

 

He's had one TJ. The recent procedure was not a TJ. But yes there is risk his pitching will be quite limited.

[Stangstag]

Read my post FFS.

 

Said the chances of him being an elite pitcher for several years moving forward could be slim given the injuries and age. Who knows how many years of elite pitching you get from him.

 

I did read your post.

 

If Ohtani can’t pitch at an elite level, he won’t be a DH. He’ll be an OF.

[jaysblue]

I did read your post.

 

If Ohtani can’t pitch at an elite level, he won’t be a DH. He’ll be an OF.

 

And do you think he'll be an effective outfielder in his mid-to-late 30's when he has only played a total of 7 games in the OF from 2018-2023 in North America?

 

Overall, his value is heavily tied to his bat, not him playing left field when he's 33 or 34.

[Marew]

Is it possible to get into the USA just on having like a half million in cash but no real qualifications? If this ohtani thing doesn’t work out I don’t see any reason to stay here. It’s cold nearly half the year, cost of living is outrageous. High taxes, horrible medical system, no baseball players want to sign here, real estate bubble, no rights.

[RobinThicc]

Will be the dodgers problem, though they have so much money they probably wont give a s***!

[Jimcanuck]

Is it possible to get into the USA just on having like a half million in cash but no real qualifications? If this ohtani thing doesn’t work out I don’t see any reason to stay here. It’s cold nearly half the year, cost of living is outrageous. High taxes, horrible medical system, no baseball players want to sign here, real estate bubble, no rights.

 

Reported for politics

[Jays24]

Is it possible to get into the USA just on having like a half million in cash but no real qualifications? If this ohtani thing doesn’t work out I don’t see any reason to stay here. It’s cold nearly half the year, cost of living is outrageous. High taxes, horrible medical system, no baseball players want to sign here, real estate bubble, no rights.

 

Do you really think Ohtani would have the same problems as you? Loll

[Marew]

Do you really think Ohtani would have the same problems as you? Loll

 

No, but ohtani is the one thing keeping me here.

[Jimcanuck]

No, but ohtani is the one thing keeping me here.

 

If you can't handle Canadian winters, then move.

[Marew]

If you can't handle Canadian winters, then move.

 

Hoping it doesn’t snow in Vancouver this year

[Jays24]

Crazy part is that the snow in the GTA has become a joke to what I grew up with. Global warming has been good to the GTA. It's gonna be 11 degrees this weekend lol.

[max silver]

Dude, if Ohtani doesn't pitch, contract is not looking so good unless he can hit like Barry Bonds or post 5 to 6 WAR per season consistently with the bat. You seem very confident that he could play in the OF just so easily into his mid-to-late 30's, when he has only played a total of 7 games in the outfield from 2018 to 2023 here in North America. You should really temper your expectations.

 

Ohtani hasn't played much outfield because he was already pushing his body to its limits by simultaneously starting and DH'ing. I see no reason he wouldn't be able to at least attempt to transition to the outfield if he can't pitch any more. If Ohtani can't play the outfield he could always play first base as well. There is really no reason to continue to frame this discussion that Ohtani would be immediately forced to DH only as soon as starting is off the table.

[PhillyBlueJay]

Flight times are like 14hrs vs 12hrs

 

There is the solution. Jays offer up Rogers corporate jet for two trips a month to Japan lol!

[Stangstag]

Ohtani hasn't played much outfield because he was already pushing his body to its limits by simultaneously starting and DH'ing. I see no reason he wouldn't be able to at least attempt to transition to the outfield if he can't pitch any more. If Ohtani can't play the outfield he could always play first base as well. There is really no reason to continue to frame this discussion that Ohtani would be immediately forced to DH only as soon as starting is off the table.

 

Exactly. I don’t see any reality where Ohtani is strictly DHing until his late 30s at least

[Stangstag]

And do you think he'll be an effective outfielder in his mid-to-late 30's when he has only played a total of 7 games in the OF from 2018-2023 in North America?

 

Overall, his value is heavily tied to his bat, not him playing left field when he's 33 or 34.

 

Mid 30s, yes. Late 30s it would get more questionable.

 

Plenty of guys with less athleticism than Ohtani have played OF into their late 30s and 40s.

 

But anyways, you’re assuming worst-case scenario like you usually do when it comes to the Jays. Ohtani could likely morph into a hybrid DH/RP or OF/RP if it’s proven he’s no longer an effective SP.

[Daniel Labude]

Apparently if we get Ohtani...Springer might be moved

[Jayzfan79]

Apparently if we get Ohtani...Springer might be moved

 

Manoah, Springer, + for Soto

[Jays24]

Apparently if we get Ohtani...Springer might be moved

 

Is this still related to Barker's tweet or is there new info? I hope Shatkins don't plan to add Ohtani and then get rid of everything around him to make it work.

[Marew]

One of his team mates said going back to regular season he said he would go to dodgers or jays if he left angels.

 

So he’s been thinking about the jays for a long time. Even watching manoah shatter his team mates face didn’t deter him.

 

Mike trout probably also told him you don’t want to be in this biggest market team, don’t want to risk being second best to mookie.

 

Mike trout knows how to play the game. You hide on a medium-big market team, just big enough that they can pay you around a half billion over your career, then coast into a HoF career.

[Daniel Labude]

Is this still related to Barker's tweet or is there new info? I hope Shatkins don't plan to add Ohtani and then get rid of everything around him to make it work.

 

Little of A, little of B

[burlingtonbandit]

Toronto weather is still very awful in April and May is usually 50/50. September and early October can be pleasant. November not so much.

 

June/July/August can be extremely humid here and unpleasant at times, especially in the downtown core.

 

California weather for the most part is pleasant all year round.

 

Its actually pretty good down by the dome in June-August since you're by the water, way less humidity. Not even kidding you go up to Bloor Street and it feels a lot warmer.

 

I can guarantee this also has nothing nothing to do with Ohtani's FA choices lol.

[Nope]

I said in the past that I wouldn't return to this forum if my main account wasn't unbanned but Buster Olney today vomited out the worst piece of writing I've ever seen in my life and it immediately reminded me of this place. This is probably the one community that could give this bile the utter roasting that it deserves, so I knew I had to share it here (and maybe it's already been posted and discussed and if that's the case then f*** me I guess).

 

Enjoy. - TL

 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39049998/shohei-ohtani-secret-free-agency-mlb-dodgers-blue-jays

[Jays24]

I said in the past that I wouldn't return to this forum if my main account wasn't unbanned but Buster Olney today vomited out the worst piece of writing I've ever seen in my life and it immediately reminded me of this place. This is probably the one community that could give this bile the utter roasting that it deserves, so I knew I had to share it here (and maybe it's already been posted and discussed and if that's the case then f*** me I guess).

 

Enjoy. - TL

 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39049998/shohei-ohtani-secret-free-agency-mlb-dodgers-blue-jays

 

Yup... talked about already. Dude is launching a personal attack because Ohtani isn't giving him material to write about. Idiot lol

[Maahfaace]

Wendy's is good, I agree. The Spicy Chicken sandwich is good and was the best one for a long time.

 

McDonald's has revamped theirs during this whole chicken wars thing and it's actually not bad either.

 

It's funny how all of you actually think you're eating "chicken " 😂😂

[jaysblue]

Ohtani hasn't played much outfield because he was already pushing his body to its limits by simultaneously starting and DH'ing. I see no reason he wouldn't be able to at least attempt to transition to the outfield if he can't pitch any more. If Ohtani can't play the outfield he could always play first base as well. There is really no reason to continue to frame this discussion that Ohtani would be immediately forced to DH only as soon as starting is off the table.

 

I never ruled out him ever playing another position, though majority of the contract he likely is still just a DH if he doesn't have the longevity on the mound. He can probably play a corner OF spot or 1B like you said, but do we really want him playing a position in his mid-to-late 30s just to squeeze out some extra WAR out of him if any at all, when you risk the chance of injury? His value is tied with his bat. Would rather him stay healthy and put up 5-6 WAR seasons like he did in 2023.

 

In terms of context, if he makes a move to the OF or 1B, likely would happen at the half way point or latter part of the deal anyways. For example, he strictly is DHing in 2024. In 2025, he'll be able to pitch. He either A) stays healthy and pitches at an elite level like he has, or struggles to get through 15-20 starts and becomes fragile like an Erik Bedard or James Paxton on the mound. Or he C) pitches more like a No. 4 or 5 starter which is meh. If option A, the question is how long does that last in terms of health and pitching at an elite level into his mid-30s? If option B, likely Jays will experiment with him as a starter for a couple of years even in this situation, so he would strictly DH still. Both situations likely have him pitching into his mid-30s. If Option C, he still likely gets a couple of years in pitching as long as he's not Alex Manoah bad. So the chances of moving him off DH and the mound to transition into a full-time OF likely doesn't take place until he's 34-35 at the earliest. And at that point, maybe he's just a part-time OF who plays 70-80 games instead of 150.

 

Only way he transitions to an OF or 1B spot early is if he gives up pitching altogether after 2025, which lets hope not.

[jaysblue]

Mid 30s, yes. Late 30s it would get more questionable.

 

Plenty of guys with less athleticism than Ohtani have played OF into their late 30s and 40s.

 

But anyways, you’re assuming worst-case scenario like you usually do when it comes to the Jays. Ohtani could likely morph into a hybrid DH/RP or OF/RP if it’s proven he’s no longer an effective SP.

 

Do we really want him playing OF into his late 30s and 40s though here? Value is tied more into his bat, and at that stage in his career would focus more on keeping him fresh and healthy.

 

I'm just being a realist when it comes to this big type of deal. Anything can happen. You can't expect everything to be all sunshine and rainbows over those 10-12 years.

[John_Havok]

Toronto weather is still very awful in April and May is usually 50/50. September and early October can be pleasant. November not so much.

 

June/July/August can be extremely humid here and unpleasant at times, especially in the downtown core.

 

California weather for the most part is pleasant all year round.

 

Unless you’ve lived in Manitoba or Saskatchewan for any length of time, calling Toronto weather “awful in April and May” is pretty silly.