General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[connorp]

It was bang-bang. Hardly obviously out.

[connorp]

I am a bit concerned because of his playing time down the stretch. Of course he didn't do himself any favours and sucked for a long stretch in Sept.

 

My sources tell me after they f***ed around with Biggio for 5+ years, they are thinking maybe to trust their scouting more. They’re keeping all options open.

[Jimcanuck]

My sources tell me after they f***ed around with Biggio for 5+ years, they are thinking maybe to trust their scouting more. They’re keeping all options open.

 

Biggio has provided 2.2 WAR / 162 games, with a 105 wRC+ over that time period

 

You dumn

[Krylian]

7/182

 

I'm thinking it will take more than that

[Laika]

My sources tell me after they f***ed around with Biggio for 5+ years, they are thinking maybe to trust their scouting more. They’re keeping all options open.

 

This makes no sense. Biggio was legitimately good as a rookie and sophomore. He cratered in 2021 and has not been given 350 PA since. Wasn't even given 300 PA in 2021. A bench player for three seasons now and a useful one for the last 2.

[connorp]

This makes no sense. Biggio was legitimately good as a rookie and sophomore. He cratered in 2021 and has not been given 350 PA since. Wasn't even given 300 PA in 2021. A bench player for three seasons now and a useful one for the last 2.

 

Meh. They can’t all be A+ material. Michael Jordan missed free throws.

[Brownie19]

I am a bit concerned because of his playing time down the stretch. Of course he didn't do himself any favours and sucked for a long stretch in Sept.

 

He went like 0 for 119 to end the season and I suspect the Jays knew that teams had found a large hole in his approach/swing. The real question is whether he's been working his tail off to fix those holes this offseason and adjust to the league. If he has and/or the Jays believe he has/can - then they'll likely look to fill other holes. If they don't think he has or can fix those holes, then I'm sure they're exploring all options to sure up 2nd base (even with a guy like India).

[Brownie19]

Meh. They can’t all be A+ material. Michael Jordan missed free throws.

 

Dude - you're more like Shaq from the free throw line.

[max silver]

He went like 0 for 119 to end the season and I suspect the Jays knew that teams had found a large hole in his approach/swing. The real question is whether he's been working his tail off to fix those holes this offseason and adjust to the league. If he has and/or the Jays believe he has/can - then they'll likely look to fill other holes. If they don't think he has or can fix those holes, then I'm sure they're exploring all options to sure up 2nd base (even with a guy like India).

 

I would have loved to see Schneider receive more playing time down the stretch to give him a chance to work through his issues at the plate. The team completely benched the guy after a rough week at the plate which is understandable given the stakes of the games at the time, but the issue was that Merrifield was in a two month slump of his own and the team kept inserting him into the lineup every day. I guess at the end of the day the team accepted the higher offensive floor that Merrifield offered vs the higher ceiling Schneider added if he were able to emerge from his slump.

[Brownie19]

I would have loved to see Schneider receive more playing time down the stretch to give him a chance to work through his issues at the plate. The team completely benched the guy after a rough week at the plate which is understandable given the stakes of the games at the time, but the issue was that Merrifield was in a two month slump of his own and the team kept inserting him into the lineup every day. I guess at the end of the day the team accepted the higher offensive floor that Merrifield offered vs the higher ceiling Schneider added if he were able to emerge from his slump.

 

I'm sure there were several factors in play. I suspect they realized the book was out on Schneider and I guess depending on what the book said, they may not have thought he had much of a chance to make that adjustment in-season, in the middle of a playoff race (which seems reasonable). They may also have thought the possibility of Merrifield breaking out of his slump was more likely than Schneider making the adjustments and breaking out of his? And of course, when in doubt, go with the vet in the 'big games' seems like a common approach.

[Laika]

I think it was probably just.... they left it up to Mr. John Schneider and he preferred Whit.

[Olerud363]

I would have loved to see Schneider receive more playing time down the stretch to give him a chance to work through his issues at the plate. The team completely benched the guy after a rough week at the plate which is understandable given the stakes of the games at the time, but the issue was that Merrifield was in a two month slump of his own and the team kept inserting him into the lineup every day. I guess at the end of the day the team accepted the higher offensive floor that Merrifield offered vs the higher ceiling Schneider added if he were able to emerge from his slump.

 

I think they have some guidelines in place in the analytics department to allocate playing time based on match-ups and projections.

 

When Schneider was called up he was massively hot but still didn't play everyday. I remember him getting benched when he was still hot. I think the plan was for him to only play in the best matchups for him, then he got hot and they changed it to having him play 80% of the time for a while. Then he got ice cold and it gave them a chance to go back to the original plan, and it just happened that no good matchups for him occurred the last week.

 

The Jays are going to have an interesting problem allocating the playing time on Biggio/Espinal/Schneider/Barger/Martinez/Jiminez especially if another guy is added to the mix. Gotta give the two destined to break-out enough playing time to show that they are the real man, don't want to pull the plug to early on the next Dan Uggla (whichever one that is).

[Olerud363]

I think they have some guidelines in place in the analytics department to allocate playing time based on match-ups and projections.

 

When Schneider was called up he was massively hot but still didn't play everyday. I remember him getting benched when he was still hot. I think the plan was for him to only play in the best matchups for him, then he got hot and they changed it to having him play 80% of the time for a while. Then he got ice cold and it gave them a chance to go back to the original plan, and it just happened that no good matchups for him occurred the last week.

 

The Jays are going to have an interesting problem allocating the playing time on Biggio/Espinal/Schneider/Barger/Martinez/Jiminez especially if another guy is added to the mix. Gotta give the two destined to break-out enough playing time to show that they are the real man, don't want to pull the plug to early on the next Dan Uggla (whichever one that is).

 

 

They aren't going to do it, but if Oakland or Tampa Bay had this exact collection of talent they'd make a super-team (at least to the Billy Beane from 10 years ago would). They'd trade everybody and their mother, Gaussman, Vlad, Bo, Berrios, Romano, Springer, Kuch, and the rest for 3 prospects each, use 2024 and 2025 to sort throught the current group of prospects, get a couple of high drafts positions, and be ready for a super-team in 2026.

 

Too bad the rich casuals would complain as they are living it up in what used to be Home Plate Lady's seats... I think a lot of people on this board would have fun watchiing Scheider and Barger get 650 PAs and have a bunch of real good prospects brewing.

[Jays24]

You let Schneider/Biggio battle it out for the starting 2B job unless a total stud lands in your lap at that position. If both put up similar numbers then you just platoon them.

[Olerud363]

I think it was probably just.... they left it up to Mr. John Schneider and he preferred Whit.

 

 

I hope not. Pulling Berrios should maybe not be a collaborative decision, given the real time feedback is important there...

 

Allocating playing time for young guys should be collaborative, given the real time feed back (Schneider looks horrible against Garret Cole for 2 at bats.... OH NO!) isn't as important. If true Fire Scheider tonight please. I do not need any more of managers playing 34 year old mediocres ahead of younger players with potential.

[max silver]

I think they have some guidelines in place in the analytics department to allocate playing time based on match-ups and projections.

 

When Schneider was called up he was massively hot but still didn't play everyday. I remember him getting benched when he was still hot. I think the plan was for him to only play in the best matchups for him, then he got hot and they changed it to having him play 80% of the time for a while. Then he got ice cold and it gave them a chance to go back to the original plan, and it just happened that no good matchups for him occurred the last week.

 

The Jays are going to have an interesting problem allocating the playing time on Biggio/Espinal/Schneider/Barger/Martinez/Jiminez especially if another guy is added to the mix. Gotta give the two destined to break-out enough playing time to show that they are the real man, don't want to pull the plug to early on the next Dan Uggla (whichever one that is).

 

There's just no way the team could roster all of those guys at once given the redundancies this would present. I think Barger is likely to replace Biggio at some point, and Jiminez is the most likely heir apparent to take over for Espinal as he seems to be the only guy with the glove to handle short stop.

[BigCecil]

Not worth concerning ourselves much with Schneider. Soon enough all will be revealed, if he is a flash in the pan or V 2.0 Dan Uggla.

 

They can't bank on him, but he is a nice potential upside chip to hold and work in over the Spring and start of '24.

[Jimcanuck]

Espinal is a nothing burger (kind of guy that gets traded for cash, AS appearance notwithstanding) and Martinez is not ready

 

It's really Biggio, Schneider and Barger

[wilko]

Espinal is a nothing burger (kind of guy that gets traded for cash, AS appearance notwithstanding) and Martinez is not ready

 

It's really Biggio, Schneider and Barger

 

That's what the Conservatives were saying about Trudeau as well.. "He's not ready" Well guess what, he got in and did a.... job. Martinez could come into spring training mashing and playing good D. We'll see.

[max silver]

Not worth concerning ourselves much with Schneider. Soon enough all will be revealed, if he is a flash in the pan or V 2.0 Dan Uggla.

 

They can't bank on him, but he is a nice potential upside chip to hold and work in over the Spring and start of '24.

 

There was a definite element of bad luck in the two week slump Schneider experienced over a two week span. He was absolutely striking out too much during this period of time, but still managed some solid contact. In the 34 plate appearances where he went hitless he produced 5 line drives, barrelled up a baseball and averaged 89.3 MPH off of the bat. None of his batted balls fell in for hits despite producing some decent contact off of the bat.

[Laika]

There was a definite element of bad luck in the two week slump Schneider experienced over a two week span. He was absolutely striking out too much during this period of time, but still managed some solid contact. In the 34 plate appearances where he went hitless he produced 5 line drives, barrelled up a baseball and averaged 89.3 MPH off of the bat. None of his batted balls fell in for hits despite producing some decent contact off of the bat.

 

Yeah he still looked good for some of those games

He had some specific games where he lined out or flied out hard like, 3 times

[Jays24]

God, I hate MLB free agency. Can they put a pitch clock on guys to sign too? Everything baseball related has to be so f***ing slow lol.

[Jimcanuck]

That's what the Conservatives were saying about Trudeau as well.. "He's not ready" Well guess what, he got in and did a.... job. Martinez could come into spring training mashing and playing good D. We'll see.

 

Ah, spring training, mirage galore

[BigCecil]

There was a definite element of bad luck in the two week slump Schneider experienced over a two week span. He was absolutely striking out too much during this period of time, but still managed some solid contact. In the 34 plate appearances where he went hitless he produced 5 line drives, barrelled up a baseball and averaged 89.3 MPH off of the bat. None of his batted balls fell in for hits despite producing some decent contact off of the bat.

 

Agree with all this. At the end of the day though, its a small sample size regardless, and when we see more we will know more.

 

Brett Lawrie had a 157 wRC+ over his first 171 PAs.

[Jimcanuck]

[L54]

Write the check leave it blank

[Frenchsoup]

Would the Twins move Correa? I'd be all over him Polanco Larnach and Caleb Thielbar

[Frenchsoup]

Good afternoon Blue Jay's Fam lol

[Abomination]

Speaking of Davis Schneider, he has to be a locked in starter out of spring training right? 2B job needs to just be his.

 

2 WAR in 141 PA last year.

2 WAR projection in just 400 projected PA.

113 wRC+ projection.

 

They are not going to sign anybody that should bump him out of playing time.

 

I don't think he's anywhere close to being a lock at starter. I do think there's a strong chance that he gets in 4 or 5 games a week in multiple positions though.

[Laika]

I don't think he's anywhere close to being a lock at starter. I do think there's a strong chance that he gets in 4 or 5 games a week in multiple positions though.

 

okay but what TWO infielders can they possibly bring in that would bump him down the depth chart?