General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[max silver]

Vlads looking for a big payday. I'd be more impressive if he was in this type of shape AFTER he signed his contract.

 

Don't kid yourself you'd still find a reason to complain. You aren't happy that Vlad shares pictures of him in the gym because according to your infinite wisdom only people that don't regularly work out do this. Now the guy very well may actually be in the best shape of his entire life and you still aren't happy. FFS.

[Spanky99]

Some of the posters who were *******s to me for expressing pessimism about our front office in the past are hopefully starting to come to the realization that they've been sold a s*** sandwich.

 

If not, well then hey I hear there's an orange guy in a whole lot of legal trouble south of the border who could use some money for his defense fund, I'm sure you've already donated though but that doesn't mean you can't donate again!

 

 

Let's get real for a minute.

 

Despite what you think, Atkins f***s up. A lot.

 

-f***ed up on the Morales contract.

 

-f***ed up on the Roark contract.

 

-f***ed up the Jaime Garcia contract.

 

-Gambled and lost on Yates, despite concerning medical reports on him.

 

-f***ed up by giving Randall that contract extension. Those that raised the alarm were attacked by the *******s.

 

-Traded Happ for Billy McKinney and Brandon Drury.

 

-Traded Stroman for Kay and SWR, the Mets 4th and 6th ranked prospects at that time. Stroman had a sub 3.00 era pitching in the AL East at the time.

 

-f***ed up the Donaldson situation.

 

-Overpaid Kikuchi as a free agent.

 

-Can't build a shutdown bullpen.

 

-f***ed up the Mitch White/Frasso trade. A few of us voiced alarm but we're shouted down by the *******s.

 

-f***ed up the Varsho trade. A few of us voiced alarm but we're shouted down by the *******s.

 

-f***ed up the Anthony Bass situation. Turned it into a PR nightmare.

 

And that's all just off the top of my head. There's more.

 

The drafting and development is a joke, especially after the way they threw AA under the bus for supposedly stripping the farm bare.

 

At least AA could f***ing build a good farm system, and quickly. He was able to sell the farm for the 2013 makeover, and then able to build it back up again in time to acquire Tulo & Price in 2015. And at least his playoff teams were built to win a playoff game.

 

This FO preached building a sustainable winner that would be keyed around having a steady pipeline of prospects and then resigning them.

 

Well 8 years in and the farm system blows, we have a luxury tax payroll that is by far the highest team payroll ever, yet we don't have any homegrown talent signed long term. We've had to consistently bring in FA talent from outside the organization because we can't develop talent. This is exactly the s*** they said they wouldn't have to do!

 

When Atlanta won it's first division title under AA the *******s here talked about how he was gifted a great team and didn't want to give him any credit. Well the Braves are on the way to be a perfect 6/6 in winning division titles under his watch, and they won a world series. And their future looks extremely bright still!

 

How many times do Spanky and gang have to be wrong before they eat some f***ing crow? Instead you bully and belittle people who don't agree that our team has been run poorly since AA was driven out by Shapiro.

 

Even in the dark days of the late 90s and early 2000s, at least we had Delgado and Halladay who were a pleasure to watch. This team is annoying as hell to watch.

 

Baltimore has passed us like we're standing still despite a payroll that is less than 1/3 of ours.

 

The team needs a rebuild, and this front office better have nothing to do with it.

 

I've been a die hard fan since 1988 and always will be a Blue Jays fan only, but I think I feel worse about this team's future than I ever have.

 

/End rant.

 

I won't be posting here anymore as I'm going to try and take a step back. I've spend too much of my free time on this team. Too many wasted nights. I'm not going to renew my season tickets next year either.

 

I'll pop by from time to time to read the remaining *******s' rainbow and sunshine posts whenever I need a good laugh. Hopefully some of you come around on this and start to shout down the remaining *******s but I'm not wasting anymore of my time on them.

 

Enjoy the taste of s*** *******s, especially you Spanx. There's a massive sandwich filled with s*** with your name on it bud. You're a troll, always have been, always will be.

 

If you stayed with me through to the end of this post you know I'm not all wrong.

 

Forget Bellinger.

 

Trade for Yelich, who is owed 5 x 26 mill.

 

Milwaukee would probably eat 30 mill, bringing him down to 5 years 100 million. We toss them a C prospect. Or we get them to attach Burnes and we assume the entire contract.

 

His career low OPS is .736, so he has a much higher floor than Bellinger. No crazy 10 year committment.

 

Hi... *waves*

[max silver]

Hi... *waves*

 

This idiot must be a glutton for punishment if he keeps coming back for more.

[Spanky99]

This idiot must be a glutton for punishment if he keeps coming back for more.

 

Kind of like getting a bloody chin, a lot. The orange guy bit, kills me, lol.

[wamco]

I say get both belli and yeli

[max silver]

I say get both belli and yeli

 

But why?

[Jays24]

Don't kid yourself you'd still find a reason to complain. You aren't happy that Vlad shares pictures of him in the gym because according to your infinite wisdom only people that don't regularly work out do this. Now the guy very well may actually be in the best shape of his entire life and you still aren't happy. FFS.

 

If you read my post, I said I would be very happy for 2024 but make no mistake would not like to extend a lifelong fatass to a 10 year deal. That is all.

[max silver]

If you read my post, I said I would be very happy for 2024 but make no mistake would not like to extend a lifelong fatass to a 10 year deal. That is all.

 

Yeah it's very fair to question what kind of shape he will be in several years into the future as he seems to have yo yoed up and down in the past. He's still likely the most gifted hitter the organization has produced so it's not an easy question to answer with regards to a future extension. If he shows up in great shape the next two season with 150 wRC+ type of production to match I'd still do the extension in hopes that he has the personal pride to maintain this type of conditioning.

 

Even having said that I don't know how much a factor his conditioning has been with regards to his offensive performance in recent seasons.

[Jimcanuck]

Craft a deal with financial and opt out incentives to help keep Vlad in shape. If Jays are going to lose Bichette, which seems likely, at least find a way to extend Vlad at a reasonable deal while he has 2 more arbitration years.

[G-Snarls]

I'd prefer a trade for a guy with a healthy track record over giving Bellinger 6-7 years

[max silver]

I'd prefer a trade for a guy with a healthy track record over giving Bellinger 6-7 years

 

Is this Yelich or someone else?

[Spanky99]

I'd prefer a trade for a guy with a healthy track record over giving Bellinger 6-7 years

 

I'd like to stay very far away from Belly, but that's just me. 1 year deals would be preferable this offseason.

[MikeM3]

Kikuchi for Kepler or Polanco. Sign a SP.

[Spanky99]

Kikuchi for Kepler or Polanco. Sign a SP.

 

[BTS]

 

Polanco is good and the team doesn't have a 3B

[Stangstag]

I'd prefer a trade for a guy with a healthy track record over giving Bellinger 6-7 years

 

Yeah we all would, but WHO is available? Not much really. Its a bad offseason to want/need to go all-in

[Frenchsoup]

Is Tampa selling Aranda?

[Spanky99]

Polanco is good and the team doesn't have a 3B

 

I'd rather use internal players, depends on the pitcher incoming though. That s*** would need to be set up.

[Stangstag]

Polanco is good and the team doesn't have a 3B

 

Polanco is a butcher on D, doesn’t really fit the team’s MO

[Spanky99]

Is Tampa selling Aranda?

 

lol... no way, he's cost controllable.

[Jays24]

Polanco is good and the team doesn't have a 3B

 

Polanco is horrible defensively at 3B isn't he? We cant go from Chapman to him defensively even if his bats better. Rather just overpay Chapman slightly to keep the "Ohtani whisperer" around in his contract year.

[MikeM3]

 

Because we have no 3b or LF and the pitching FAs are better than the position players.

[Spanky99]

Because we have no 3b or LF and the pitching FAs are better than the position players.

 

It needs to be fluid though, is all.

[BTS]

The team isn't really in a position to be choosy. They have no 3B and the only 3+ win option in FA probably costs 150M. They need an everyday OF, and the only 3+ win (maybe) option probably costs 200M. Swapping Kikuchi for Polanco gives them a 2-3 win option at 3B at 10.5M this year with a team option for 2025. Salary is basically a wash. Only instead of having to target Chapman, they move to a market that includes Yamamoto, Imanaga, Snell, Montgomery, Stroman, Paxton, Montas etc...

 

Even if it's just Paxton they sign, it's

 

Polanco (1/10.5 + 12M team option for 2025)

Paxton (1/10?)

 

vs.

 

Chapman (6/150?)

Kikichi (1/12)

 

 

For basically the same projected 2024 WAR

[max silver]

The team isn't really in a position to be choosy. They have no 3B and the only 3+ win option in FA probably costs 150M. They need an everyday OF, and the only 3+ win (maybe) option probably costs 200M. Swapping Kikuchi for Polanco gives them a 2-3 win option at 3B at 10.5M this year with a team option for 2025. Salary is basically a wash. Only instead of having to target Chapman, they move to a market that includes Yamamoto, Imanaga, Snell, Montgomery, Stroman, Paxton, Montas etc...

 

Even if it's just Paxton they sign, it's

 

Polanco (1/10.5 + 12M team option for 2025)

Paxton (1/10?)

 

vs.

 

Chapman (6/150?)

Kikichi (1/12)

 

 

For basically the same projected 2024 WAR

 

That's a pretty risky addition on the pitching end though as Paxton seems just as likely to miss the entire season as he is to provide enough 100 innings to the team. Kikuchi for all his warts has been really durable, and removing him in place of a high risk pitcher like Paxton is greatly increasing the probability that the team is going to need to dip into it's pitching depth.

[Chappy]

Polanco for Kikuchi would make a lot of sense but the left side of our infield would be horrendous defensively. If it results in an upgrade to the rotation though I’d be content with it. The team clearly has money to spend, how much and on who obviously matters but there is no way we’re not taking on some sort of significant contract either via FA or trade at this point and I much rather that money get spent on the strength of the market.

[BTS]

That's a pretty risky addition on the pitching end though as Paxton seems just as likely to miss the entire season as he is to provide enough 100 innings to the team. Kikuchi for all his warts has been really durable, and removing him in place of a high risk pitcher like Paxton is greatly increasing the probability that the team is going to need to dip into it's pitching depth.

 

Well, yeah. But I think the team can do better than Paxton on the SP market. And I think that even in the worst case scenario where none of the other SPs take their money, Paxton in for Kikuchi doesn't really move the needle much either way. I'd expect 1-2 WAR from either. But they also have 150M in cash to deploy in that scenario.

[Spanky99]

Polanco for Kikuchi would make a lot of sense but the left side of our infield would be horrendous defensively. If it results in an upgrade to the rotation though I’d be content with it. The team clearly has money to spend, how much and on who obviously matters but there is no way we’re not taking on some sort of significant contract either via FA or trade at this point and I much rather that money get spent on the strength of the market.

 

Great to see you post, Chapster.

[jaysblue]

The team isn't really in a position to be choosy. They have no 3B and the only 3+ win option in FA probably costs 150M. They need an everyday OF, and the only 3+ win (maybe) option probably costs 200M. Swapping Kikuchi for Polanco gives them a 2-3 win option at 3B at 10.5M this year with a team option for 2025. Salary is basically a wash. Only instead of having to target Chapman, they move to a market that includes Yamamoto, Imanaga, Snell, Montgomery, Stroman, Paxton, Montas etc...

 

Even if it's just Paxton they sign, it's

 

Polanco (1/10.5 + 12M team option for 2025)

Paxton (1/10?)

 

vs.

 

Chapman (6/150?)

Kikichi (1/12)

 

 

For basically the same projected 2024 WAR

 

Kikuchi is expendable like you said. Could easily replace him with a free agent. Plenty of arms available who you could sign for a similar price and who could provide similar WAR.

 

Chapman is really the only solid 3B available on the market now. Not sure he gets 150M, but geez that would be crazy. Would like him around $80-100M at 4 or 5 years, but who knows.

 

Like you said the Jays can't be really picky when it comes to third base now. Have to target guys like Polanco or even roll the dice on someone like Moncada. Doesn't hurt to even sign a vet as insurance to be on the bench like Longoria or Donaldson if they came cheap.

[Spanky99]

Kikuchi is expendable like you said. Could easily replace him with a free agent. Plenty of arms available who you could sign for a similar price and who could provide similar WAR.

 

Chapman is really the only solid 3B available on the market now. Not sure he gets 150M, but geez that would be crazy. Would like him around $80-100M at 4 or 5 years, but who knows.

 

Like you said the Jays can't be really picky when it comes to third base now. Have to target guys like Polanco or even roll the dice on someone like Moncada. Doesn't hurt to even sign a vet as insurance to be on the bench like Longoria or Donaldson if they came cheap.

 

Jays offered him north of a 100M according to Heyman prior to them offering the QO, so he wants big dough man.

 

I ain't cool with that.