General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Spanky99]

What was "nice" about the depth he provided?

 

Defense.

[Terminator]

A solid defender, a bat who has had success against lefties and who has some pop.

 

Weird that the Blue Jays acquired him to begin with as insurance for Bo. Tells you how much confidence they had in Espinal a couple of weeks ago.

 

Yeah DeJong's OAA is much better than I thought. Would probably have been better than McCoy.

 

I think DeJong is about replacement level and the change in scenery seemingly f***ed him at the dish. Dude was completely lost.

 

Hopefully they give Clement a chance as I think he's better anyway.

[jaysblue]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I wonder if there was more to this in the background as that's unlike Atkins.

 

There definitely could be. Weird how Atkins acquired DeJong at the trade deadline mainly for the purpose as insurance for Bo and then after two weeks gets DFA'd when you could have still kept him around and have Espinal join the roster again on September 1st. Hope someone in the media does ask him that question.

[Spanky99]

There definitely could be. Weird how Atkins acquired DeJong at the trade deadline mainly for the purpose as insurance for Bo and then after two weeks gets DFA'd when you could have still kept him around and have Espinal join the roster again on September 1st. Hope someone in the media does ask him that question.

 

He simply said they were good. Whatever that means...

[jaysblue]

Yeah DeJong's OAA is much better than I thought. Would probably have been better than McCoy.

 

I think DeJong is about replacement level and the change in scenery seemingly f***ed him at the dish. Dude was completely lost.

 

Hopefully they give Clement a chance as I think he's better anyway.

 

Yeah I hope Clement does get a chance as well and could contribute over these next couple of weeks until Bo gets back.

 

Some players do struggle for a period of time right after they're traded. DeJong is a replacement level player and sucks but he was brutal during his time here (3 hits in 44 ABs).

[MikeM3]

We're going to stumble into Clement. He's got a different stance than last year and more line drivey

[BlueJays]

Why is Espinal still in the roster? Why the management is so damn high with him?

[Spanky99]

Yeah I hope Clement does get a chance as well and could contribute over these next couple of weeks until Bo gets back.

 

Some players do struggle for a period of time right after they're traded. DeJong is a replacement level player and sucks but he was brutal during his time here (3 hits in 44 ABs).

 

lol

[Spanky99]

We're going to stumble into Clement. He's got a different stance than last year and more line drivey

 

Same Davis s***.

[jaysblue]

Why is Espinal still in the roster? Why the management is so damn high with him?

 

All-Star season in 2022!

[G-Snarls]

All-Star season in 2022!

 

Buck Martinez for the next 10 years, even after Espinal has been punted around by 5 teams: "He was an All Star for the Blue Jays in 2022!"

[G-Snarls]

Tonight's lineup:

 

1. George Springer ® RF

2. Davis Schneider ® 2B

3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ® 1B

4. Danny Jansen ® C

5. Whit Merrifield ® LF

6. Alejandro Kirk ® DH

7. Ernie Clement ® SS

8. Santiago Espinal ® 3B

9. Kevin Kiermaier (L) CF

[Terminator]

 

Okay yeah apparently there is no plan really lol

 

Probably should have kept DeJong.

[Jonn]

 

Okay yeah apparently there is no plan really lol

 

Probably should have kept DeJong.

 

He got 3 hits in his Giants debut. And has went 0-16 since.

[Terminator]

He got 3 hits in his Giants debut. And has went 0-16 since.

 

Yeah he his horrible. If you go back and read I've been harder on him than anyone. I think him at SS and Clement at 3B today with Espinal on the bench instead of McCoy would be a better lineup though.

[deanmike]

I don't know if Lantigua is good at defense. He doesn't play SS a whole lot and it's hard to believe that a midget like him would have good range/arm. Plus, he's actually turned himself into a guy that should be playing everyday.

 

My guess is McCoy isn't going to play much at all and if he does it's because he's good at defense.

 

There actually is an everyday spot open for him as long as Bo or Chapman remain out. Lantigua's bat is like a Schneider-lite in the sense that it plays better vs RHP than LHP despite Lantigua batting right. Clement hasn't hit righties well so far in his career.

 

Should be lineup vs RHP:

RF Springer

DH/1B Belt

1B/DH Vlad

3B Schneider

2B Whit

LF Varsho

C Jansen/Kirk

SS Lantigua

CF KK

 

Should be lineup vs LHP:

RF Springer

2B Schneider

1B Vlad

DH/C Jansen

LF Whit

C/DH Kirk

3B Clement

SS Lantigua

CF Varsho/KK

 

And with 6 of the next 8 games projected to be against LHP starters, the team could have even called up Orelvis for this stretch to see what he's got instead of continuing to DH Kirk vs LHP on non-catch days even though he has a sub-100 wRC+ vs both lefties and righties this season.

[glory]

DeJong sucks. He was a -1.0 WAR player in like 2 weeks. You can't keep throwing him out there hoping he corrects things when every win matters. He was depth but s***** depth, which the Jays don't need.

 

Of course, that same logic applies to starting Espinal, but Schneider keeps playing him.

[deanmike]

 

Okay yeah apparently there is no plan really lol

 

Probably should have kept DeJong.

 

Yikes. Espitrash and McTrash is definitely weird lol.

[L54]

Wow that lineup is looking like the Cleveland Guardians lineup

[Terminator]

So Bo was out yesterday against a righty and a lefty today so we can kind of see what the plan is already and John Schneider is right, it is crazy with a lot of moving parts.

 

vs RHP/vs LHP

C: Jansen

1b: Vlad

2B: Whit/Schneider

3B: Schneider/Espinal

SS: Clement

LF: Varsho/Whit

CF: Kiermaier

RF: Springer

DH: Belt/Kirk

 

McCoy, Biggio and the other Catcher look to be more full-time bench players

[Terminator]

I cannot wait to start the Extend Ernie Clement thread after tonight's game.

[Masterbather]

Some team is going to pick up Espinal on the cheap and get solid value out of him for a couple of years.

[wilko]

Some team is going to pick up Espinal on the cheap and get solid value out of him for a couple of years.

 

Well he is a former All-Star.

[Jonn]

Maybe the Jays have some big brain strat that they don't want to call up Martinez yet and waste his rookie eligibility so he can start the Season on the roster next year and get us a first round pick for winning Rookie of the Year!

[The Cats Ass]

Varsho should be starting over Espinal. Even against lefties. Whoever is deciding he starts should be fired.

[jaysthebest]

This team is a joke.

[Masterbather]

...It's gettin' dark, too dark to see.

Feels like I'm knockin' on heaven's door...

[BigCecil]

...It's gettin' dark, too dark to see.

Feels like I'm knockin' on heaven's door...

 

Seems like only a month or two ago the board was “we are on a X win pace” and “it’s early” and “we are coming into a softer schedule” dominated the board after pissing away yet another winnable game. Been a tough year. Ain’t over yet but it’s getting tougher with every L. Shame if we waste such a solid pitching season.

[L54]

Maybe the Jays have some big brain strat that they don't want to call up Martinez yet and waste his rookie eligibility so he can start the Season on the roster next year and get us a first round pick for winning Rookie of the Year!

 

He would still retain his rookie eligibility. Corbin Carroll was a September call up last year

[L54]

The ship is sinking boys