General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[jaysblue]

Last night shows we need another bat for the bench. Kirk has a 90 wRC since June of 2022 and Espinal 93 since the start of 2022 and I don’t think his defence is as good as it was last season. I

 

Yeah Kirk has been awful for over a year. I think its time we accept he's maybe just a .250/.340/.330 type bat. He needs to start hitting for some average power. Ideally we want to see .270/.380/.400 from Kirk.

[jaysblue]

Good Pearson sucks

 

I guess he ain't being used in a deal for Bellinger lol

[jaysblue]

They should probably DFA Yimi soon to avoid his option for next Season. Not sure why they would want him on the books for 6 million next season. I feel they could bring in 2 similar relievers for that price.

 

What an amazing BP built by Atkins! Bass DFA, Cimber sucks, Garcia sucks. These guys were supposed to be good lol.

[JaysAllMighty]

Hah... an IL lister.

 

When I made the GDT the other day I cleared my IL, now they are all going back on the list because they are still posting stupid s***.

[Spanky99]

Legend.

 

[Jimcanuck]

What an amazing BP built by Atkins! Bass DFA, Cimber sucks, Garcia sucks. These guys were supposed to be good lol.

 

You've turned into a bloody troll.

[The Cats Ass]

They should probably DFA Yimi soon to avoid his option for next Season. Not sure why they would want him on the books for 6 million next season. I feel they could bring in 2 similar relievers for that price.

 

Yimi has actually been good since he fixed his issue with tipping pitches.

 

Since beginning of June he's got a 2.16era/2.26fip with a 18/1 K/BB.

[Laika]

Didn't catch much of the games over the weekend but I saw one inning from Manoah and his slider kind of seemed... back?

 

It looked like a plus pitch

[Daniel Labude]

You've turned into a bloody troll.

 

It always helps with keeping the sanity given the board

[Daniel Labude]

Hah... an IL lister.

 

[Spanky99]

Didn't catch much of the games over the weekend but I saw one inning from Manoah and his slider kind of seemed... back?

 

It looked like a plus pitch

 

Yeah, it looked real good after the 2nd inning, spotty command on the FB though, he got real lucky early and then looked like the Manoah of old after, until he walked a guy and gave up a basehit in the 6th, not bad. If he gets his command back on the FB(again it was spotty), with THAT slider, we might not be in such a dire position.

[John_Havok]

Didn't catch much of the games over the weekend but I saw one inning from Manoah and his slider kind of seemed... back?

 

It looked like a plus pitch

 

It was better, but still very inconsistent. One hitter he’d have the plus, next he’d be putting it in the LH batters box.

[hanton]

Please start Ryu against the Dodgers - that would be kind of exciting to watch

[Brownie19]

They should probably DFA Yimi soon to avoid his option for next Season. Not sure why they would want him on the books for 6 million next season. I feel they could bring in 2 similar relievers for that price.

 

I don't know man. $6M doesn't buy you much on the FA market. Here's a list of RP who signed this past season and their AAV. I left out some of the big names obviously, but all these guys ranged from 0.3 to 1.3 WAR in 2022 (Yimi was at 0.9).

 

Matt Moore - $7.55

Adam Ottavino - $7.25

Andrew Chafin - $6.25

Jesse Chavez - $1.2

David Robertson - $10.0

Craig Kimbrel - $10.0

Brad Boxberger - $2.8

Robert Suarez - $9.2

Michael Fulmer - $4.0

Shelby Miller - $1.5

Matt Strahm - $7.5

 

I don't think you're getting 2 quality arms for $6M this offseason. Yimi is perfectly fine and has pitched great as of late. Don't be fooled by an inflated ERA - it's not 1997. He's not getting DFA'd and he'll be part of the pen next year.

[Spanky99]

Please start Ryu against the Dodgers - that would be kind of exciting to watch

 

The pitching matchups have already been announced, Berrios - Bassitt - Kikuchi.

[Spanky99]

It was better, but still very inconsistent. One hitter he’d have the plus, next he’d be putting it in the LH batters box.

 

But with the plus break though, that's what had me giddy, he certainly found it. I think he threw only one slider in the 1st if my memory is correct.

[Brownie19]

But with the plus break though, that's what had me giddy, he certainly found it. I think he threw only one slider in the 1st if my memory is correct.

 

I missed the game. Anyone know what his Stuff+ and Location+ in his 1st three starts back? I can never find that info.

[BigCecil]

Yimi has been better lately and given the price of established RP I don't fret too much about a year of $6M with the upside he brings.

 

I think he was used incorrectly a lot sitting between innings. He doesn't seem to to perform as well in those situations.

[Spanky99]

I missed the game. Anyone know what his Stuff+ and Location+ in his 1st three starts back? I can never find that info.

 

This is Eno Sarris, google Doc, is this what you mean...

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AE1dNnudwRS6aLhWA1SArp1GoviUeHNcASXxtm3Le9I/edit?pli=1#gid=1464355835

[Spanky99]

Yimi has been better lately and given the price of established RP I don't fret too much about a year of $6M with the upside he brings.

 

I think he was used incorrectly a lot sitting between innings. He doesn't seem to to perform as well in those situations.

 

It was so obvious man, really frustrated me.

[max silver]

I missed the game. Anyone know what his Stuff+ and Location+ in his 1st three starts back? I can never find that info.

 

You can find this information under the pitch modelling tab in fangraphs when viewing a team's overall pitching stats. This can be sorted by date in order to isolate an individual start. Manoah's second start back doesn't seem to be available in the Stuff+ rating on Fangraphs.

 

Vs Tigers

 

4 seamer 85

Sinker 83

Slider 88

Changeup 49

 

Stuff+ 82

Location+ 112

Pitching+ 109

 

Vs Mariners

 

4 seamer 92

Sinker 72

Slider 99

Changeup 47

 

Stuff+ 86

Location+ 79

Pitching+ 75

 

Before Demotion

 

4 seamer 92

Sinker 95

Slider 96

Changeup 71

 

Stuff+ 91

Location+ 95

Pitching+ 93

 

After Return

 

4 seamer 88

Sinker 79

Slider 94

Changeup 48

 

Stuff+ 84

Location+ 95

Pitching+ 92

 

The stuff+ numbers are unfortunately worse across the board since he's returned from the minor leagues.

[Brownie19]

yikes...what type of sample size is needed to make judgements? It's pretty small isn't it?

[Spanky99]

You can find this information under the pitch modelling tab in fangraphs when viewing a team's overall pitching stats. This can be sorted by date in order to isolate an individual start. Manoah's second start back doesn't seem to be available in the Stuff+ rating on Fangraphs.

 

Vs Tigers

 

4 seamer 85

Sinker 83

Slider 88

Changeup 49

 

Stuff+ 82

Location+ 112

Pitching+ 109

 

Vs Mariners

 

4 seamer 92

Sinker 72

Slider 99

Changeup 47

 

Stuff+ 86

Location+ 79

Pitching+ 75

 

Before Demotion

 

4 seamer 92

Sinker 95

Slider 96

Changeup 71

 

Stuff+ 91

Location+ 95

Pitching+ 93

 

After Return

 

4 seamer 88

Sinker 79

Slider 94

Changeup 48

 

Stuff+ 84

Location+ 95

Pitching+ 92

 

The stuff+ numbers are unfortunately worse across the board since he's returned from the minor leagues.

 

Thanks for that, I was going nuts trying to find it on FG and gave up.

[John_Havok]

Pearson sent to AAA to work on breaking stuff.

 

per Zwelling.

[G-Snarls]

[jaysblue]

You've turned into a bloody troll.

 

Lmao.

 

I won't spam the GDTs ever and while I'm criticial of this FO maybe a bit too much, I do give praise when due.

 

When three arms like Bass, Cimber and Garcia who are supposed to be important parts of your middle relief corps, are all pitching below average on a team with Postseason aspirations, thats not good. Relievers are volatile yes, but start having to asking questions why this FO can't complement this roster with a solid pen.

[Eat My Shatkins]

The pen is like top 5 (ish) in MLB in most key categories. That's pretty solid.

[jaysblue]

Yimi has been better lately and given the price of established RP I don't fret too much about a year of $6M with the upside he brings.

 

I think he was used incorrectly a lot sitting between innings. He doesn't seem to to perform as well in those situations.

 

Yeah I'm not too worried about Yimi. He needs to be just used as a 6th/7th inning guy and should only pitch one inning max that's it. Who do we place blame on though? Schneider or the FO brains pulling the strings upstairs?

[Jays333]

Lmao.

 

I won't spam the GDTs ever and while I'm criticial of this FO maybe a bit too much, I do give praise when due.

 

When three arms like Bass, Cimber and Garcia who are supposed to be important parts of your middle relief corps, are all pitching below average on a team with Postseason aspirations, thats not good. Relievers are volatile yes, but start having to asking questions why this FO can't complement this roster with a solid pen.

 

Man the numbers show that before the Mariners series we had the number 1 bullpen in the league since June 1st

[Brownie19]

Yeah I'm not too worried about Yimi. He needs to be just used as a 6th/7th inning guy and should only pitch one inning max that's it. Who do we place blame on though? Schneider or the FO brains pulling the strings upstairs?

 

There's nobody to blame for Yimi unless you want to blame the team for not identifying that he was tipping his pitches sooner. Other than that - blame variance and bad luck? This is a good pen that's about to get better when Green returns.