General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Daniel Labude]

[hanton]

Running Manoah out there Sunday in this dog fight we are in is 100% on the FO. Its tantamount to Tyler Chatwood '21, but even worse.

 

When you look at some of the rotation challenges, injury wise, of teams with as good or better records our lack of depth is brutal.

 

This is a big problem

[max silver]

CS doesn't bother me either, it's the simple mistakes that irk me in this regard, like little league s***.

 

I think Merrifield could cool his jets a little with the 3rd base stealing attempts. His overall season baserunning contribution is solid but he's been one of the primary culprits recently with making unnecessary outs on the bases.

[JaysAllMighty]

CS doesn't bother me either, it's the simple mistakes that irk me in this regard, like little league s***.

 

And it doesn't seem to get any better. You would think they would learn by their mistakes. Is it because of the Jays lack of accountability? Seen some of them even laugh after their stupid mistakes.

[M.E.]

I think Merrifield could cool his jets a little with the 3rd base stealing attempts. His overall season baserunning contribution is solid but he's been one of the primary culprits recently with making unnecessary outs on the bases.

 

Trying to get to third with less than 2 with Espinal up I was completely fine with the attempt

[hanton]

I think Merrifield could cool his jets a little with the 3rd base stealing attempts. His overall season baserunning contribution is solid but he's been one of the primary culprits recently with making unnecessary outs on the bases.

 

I'm ok with it, Espinal got the assist by giving Sanchez a clear lane to gun him down at 3rd - otherwise he swipes it easily. Get your head in the game

[Captain_Obvious]

Trying to get to third with less than 2 with Espinal up I was completely fine with the attempt

 

This is faulty logic and makes little sense.

1- A base hit has a good chance to score a speedy runner from second. The value of stealing third in this situation is actually low.

2- The impact of failure is actually as bad as it can get. Not only you give the other team an out for free, you also have one of the worst hitters on team leading off the next inning which significantly reduces the chances of scoring.

 

This decision demonstrates how f***ing dumb this team is. The players and manager have no grasp on math and probability.

[hanton]

This is faulty logic and makes little sense.

1- A base hit has a good chance to score a speedy runner from second. The value of stealing third in this situation is actually low.

2- The impact of failure is actually as bad as it can get. Not only you give the other team an out for free, you also have one of the worst hitters on team leading off the next inning which significantly reduces the chances of scoring.

 

This decision demonstrates how f***ing dumb this team is. The players and manager have no grasp on math and probability.

 

Lefty on the mound, weak hitting righty at the plate, less than 2 outs, best base stealer on the team.

 

It was the perfect scenario.

[Captain_Obvious]

Lefty on the mound, weak hitting righty at the plate, less than 2 outs, best base stealer on the team.

 

It was the perfect scenario.

 

We are 27th in MLB in wSB. This team can improve its baserunning by minimizing its SB attempts.

 

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2023&month=0&season1=2023&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2023-01-01&enddate=2023-12-31&sort=15,d

[RustyTrombone]

This is faulty logic and makes little sense.

1- A base hit has a good chance to score a speedy runner from second. The value of stealing third in this situation is actually low.

2- The impact of failure is actually as bad as it can get. Not only you give the other team an out for free, you also have one of the worst hitters on team leading off the next inning which significantly reduces the chances of scoring.

 

This decision demonstrates how f***ing dumb this team is. The players and manager have no grasp on math and probability.

 

Huh? The value of stealing third there is pretty high, especially with a piece of s*** like Espinal batting. If its Bo or Vladdy then you plant your ass at 2nd but if its like the worst hitter on the team then you try to maximize the number of ways you can score there. Espinal has to come up with a hit or there has to be a error to score you from second - roughly a less than 20% chance to happen (lower than his batting average cause a hit does not guarantee he scores from second base) vs scoring on a ground out, sac fly, wild pitch, passed ball, a f***ing balk

[hanton]

We are 27th in MLB in wSB. This team can improve its baserunning by minimizing its SB attempts.

 

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=1&season=2023&month=0&season1=2023&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2023-01-01&enddate=2023-12-31&sort=15,d

 

different topic

 

specifically I was answering your logic for Merrifield not stealing 3rd in that situation, with Snell on the mound and Espinal at the plate. I'd be pissed if he didn't attempt it.

[G-Snarls]

Trent Thornton DFA

[Jonn]

Trent Thornton DFA

 

Hopefully this time someone claims this him so he doesn’t weasel his way back into the mix.

[G-Snarls]

Hopefully this time someone claims this him so he doesn’t weasel his way back into the mix.

 

Yeah

 

I've seen enough of him

[metafour]

Huh? The value of stealing third there is pretty high, especially with a piece of s*** like Espinal batting. If its Bo or Vladdy then you plant your ass at 2nd but if its like the worst hitter on the team then you try to maximize the number of ways you can score there. Espinal has to come up with a hit or there has to be a error to score you from second - roughly a less than 20% chance to happen (lower than his batting average cause a hit does not guarantee he scores from second base) vs scoring on a ground out, sac fly, wild pitch, passed ball, a f***ing balk

 

There are a lot of moving pieces with what actually took place:

 

1) Merrifield had already stolen second base in the same at-bat. Does the probability of stealing third base decrease if you just stole second a few pitches earlier? I'm not sure, but you'd have to assume the catcher is awake after already giving up second base in the same at-bat.

 

2) It was actually only one out at the time of the failed attempt to steal third, not two. So Espinal could have still moved Merrifield to third base on a sacrifice and your point about scoring on a wild pitch or error or passed ball would still be in play.

 

3) With one out, you are actually talking about both Espinal and Kirk batting to attempt driving him in. Both guys have underwhelmed this year, but neither guy strikes out much and both are high-contact hitters. Kirk especially has a good history of hitting, so even though he has been "bad", it's not unfathomable to suggest that he can break out at any point in time.

 

Of course, what actually ended up happening is that Espinal proceeded to walk, Kirk singled, and then Luplow singled as well. So all three "bad hitters" reached base. I'd have to assume that there is a higher probability that one of Espinal/Kirk hits a bloop single than scoring from third on a balk (incredibly rare) or wild pitch.

[MikeM3]

Thornton DFA feels Payampsy to me

[Laika]

Thornton DFA feels Payampsy to me

 

stop it

[Jonn]

Thornton DFA feels Payampsy to me

 

Lol no shot. Thornton sucks we have been down this road many times. If he carves himself out a half decent big league career going forward kudos to him. Jays are aiming higher.

[max silver]

Lol no shot. Thornton sucks we have been down this road many times. If he carves himself out a half decent big league career going forward kudos to him. Jays are aiming higher.

 

I can see him eventually putting things together sufficiently to have a few nice seasons out of an MLB pen. I think his raw stuff is good enough to retire MLB hitters but his usefulness to the Jays has run out given how many better options the team has available.

[bones10]

lets smash the Mariners, hate those guys.

[Jonn]

 

Almost like he hasn’t missed a best despite missing 14 months.

[Carlos Danger]

What pitcher leads the majors in number of starts going at least 6 scoreless innings?

 

Chris Bassitt

 

The lack of general respect for Bassitt on this board, prior to acquiring him and even up until the SD start is baffling to me

[Masterbather]

 

Almost like he hasn’t missed a best despite missing 14 months.

 

Any idea of his velocity?

[Jonn]

Any idea of his velocity?

 

His average fastball was 88.4 MPH but he hit 90 once again a few times.

 

The good news is he reached his desired pitch count which was exactly 85

 

He's now ready to join the Big League Rotation.

[Spanky99]

His average fastball was 88.4 MPH but he hit 90 once again a few times.

 

The good news is he reached his desired pitch count which was exactly 85

 

He's now ready to join the Big League Rotation.

 

His line was good too, 6IP, 3 hits(two solo jack's) 0BB's and 4K's his command seems to be fine, man this would be great if it translates to the show.

[Jimcanuck]

Man, Ryu would be a saviour if he can come to within 75% of what he was.

[Masterbather]

His average fastball was 88.4 MPH but he hit 90 once again a few times.

 

The good news is he reached his desired pitch count which was exactly 85

 

He's now ready to join the Big League Rotation.

 

It all sounds good to me, we f***ing need him. I wouldn't bother wasting another start in the minors.

[Laika]

Any version of Ryu is certainly better than Ally Manure!!!

[Jimcanuck]

Hell of a lot of pressure on Manoah with Ryu ready to step in. His next start will show us what kind of balls he has.

[G-Snarls]

His average fastball was 88.4 MPH but he hit 90 once again a few times.

 

The good news is he reached his desired pitch count which was exactly 85

 

He's now ready to join the Big League Rotation.

 

Very happy about this