General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Stangstag]

The O’s had one of the best records for a period in the 2nd half. The two run of the mill SPs they got was to bridge the gap and allow them to be competitive in the in- term. Bradish put it together end of year and will be a stud. Means will be back later, Hall is good and just needs some time. The O’s always have a good pen. Rodriguez should push guys back.

 

Fangraphs have us finishing third in the division. We need to make sure the O’s don’t catch us

 

Lawl

[Carlos Danger]

Imagine mentioning a full season from Kyle Stowers who projects for 0.5 WAR and Kyle Bradish who projects for 1.1 WAR as the reason the Orioles will be a better team this year lmao. That’s like saying wait until we get a full season of Mitch White and Otto Lopez to really make us scary. DL Hall is projected to be a reliever across the board, between his injury history and wildness.

 

Imagine soley using WAR depite the results to think that is how an outcome will be. If we just took WAR on the surface, David Ortiz sucks.

 

In 11 starts since coming off the IL in July, Bradish had a 2.67 era and the O's were 8-3 in those games. Bradish dominated the WS Champion Astros twice down the stretch,. In one game against the Astros he set an O's rookie record that had stood since 1904 with 10ks, 0 walks and 0 runs allowed.

 

All Stowers has done is hit in the minors and he has shown signs of lowering his K rate in the majors. He is a lefty batter who has good splits against lefties so no platoom worries.

 

Stowers was overshadowed by guys like Rutchman and Henderson and is blocked in the OF by Mullins, Santander and Hays. Fangraphs Paul Sporer has Stowers ahead of Conforto in OF rankings and way ahead of Keirmaier (since we are talking AL East). Not saying the dude is Aaron Judge, but he is one more weapon the O's have if they give him playing time that they did not have/utilize the majority of last season.

[Stangstag]

Imagine soley using WAR depite the results to think that is how an outcome will be. If we just took WAR on the surface, David Ortiz sucks.

 

In 11 starts since coming off the IL in July, Bradish had a 2.67 era and the O's were 8-3 in those games. Bradish dominated the WS Champion Astros twice down the stretch,. In one game against the Astros he set an O's rookie record that had stood since 1904 with 10ks, 0 walks and 0 runs allowed.

 

All Stowers has done is hit in the minors and he has shown signs of lowering his K rate in the majors. He is a lefty batter who has good splits against lefties so no platoom worries.

 

Stowers was overshadowed by guys like Rutchman and Henderson and is blocked in the OF by Mullins, Santander and Hays. Fangraphs Paul Sporer has Stowers ahead of Conforto in OF rankings and way ahead of Keirmaier (since we are talking AL East). Not saying the dude is Aaron Judge, but he is one more weapon the O's have if they give him playing time that they did not have/utilize the majority of last season.

 

Are you Roy Firestone or something??

[Spanky99]

F'nnn Carlos IS Roy Firestone!!!

[Ray]

Imagine mentioning a full season from Kyle Stowers who projects for 0.5 WAR and Kyle Bradish who projects for 1.1 WAR as the reason the Orioles will be a better team this year lmao. That’s like saying wait until we get a full season of Mitch White and Otto Lopez to really make us scary. DL Hall is projected to be a reliever across the board, between his injury history and wildness.

 

I don’t disagree, but projection systems will often times lowball production for unproven guys like Bradish. Rightfully so because those guys have to prove their worth and breakout first, but overall given the young talent that Baltimore has assembled, they do have more potential for positive variance.

 

That being said, they could also turn out like Detroit who took a step forward last year and then immediately regressed this year. We’ll just have to wait and find out.

[L54]

All the Mitch White fanboys aren’t handling the stress of Spring Training well

[L54]

Mitch White is good! Look at his projections! He’s a #4/5! There’s room for positive regression!

 

Meanwhile Whitey is a sub 8 K/9 starter who walks over 3 per nine with single digit swinging strike rates. The breakout is coming don’t worry

[L54]

Imagine soley using WAR depite the results to think that is how an outcome will be. If we just took WAR on the surface, David Ortiz sucks.

 

In 11 starts since coming off the IL in July, Bradish had a 2.67 era and the O's were 8-3 in those games. Bradish dominated the WS Champion Astros twice down the stretch,. In one game against the Astros he set an O's rookie record that had stood since 1904 with 10ks, 0 walks and 0 runs allowed.

 

All Stowers has done is hit in the minors and he has shown signs of lowering his K rate in the majors. He is a lefty batter who has good splits against lefties so no platoom worries.

 

Stowers was overshadowed by guys like Rutchman and Henderson and is blocked in the OF by Mullins, Santander and Hays. Fangraphs Paul Sporer has Stowers ahead of Conforto in OF rankings and way ahead of Keirmaier (since we are talking AL East). Not saying the dude is Aaron Judge, but he is one more weapon the O's have if they give him playing time that they did not have/utilize the majority of last season.

 

Baseball is played on a computer didn’t you know? That way we don’t have to actually go outside.

[Spanky99]

Mitch White is good! Look at his projections! He’s a #4/5! There’s room for positive regression!

 

Meanwhile Whitey is a sub 8 K/9 starter who walks over 3 per nine with single digit swinging strike rates. The breakout is coming don’t worry

 

lol... who are you saying this to?

[L54]

lol... who are you saying this to?

 

Anyone who has argued Mitch White is fine in the fifth starters spot

[polar bear]

We all basically hate Kikuchi and wish we had a better #5 but if he were on the Orioles he would be battling it out with Kyle Gibson to start on opening day. That's the team I'm supposed to worry about.

 

HATE! Speak for yourself bud.

[Laika]

Anyone who has argued Mitch White is fine in the fifth starters spot

 

So, nobody? He's the #6

[Spanky99]

Anyone who has argued Mitch White is fine in the fifth starters spot

 

As a mid season pickup after the Frasso deal? There was nothing wrong with that trade, Jays had to move him, for immediate help. Don't be that guy man.

[Pendleton]

lol... who are you saying this to?

 

Haha no one in this thread saying anything positive about White for days. Welchy just woke up wanting to talk down to everyone this morning I guess.

[Spanky99]

So, nobody? He's the #6

 

Exactly, a swingman, and we also received De Jesus in the trade. Seems odd to poke fun at that.

[Jimcanuck]

So, nobody? He's the #6

 

He'll be the #5 starter for a good chunk of the season.

[Spanky99]

Haha no one in this thread saying anything positive about White for days. Welchy just woke up wanting to talk down to everyone this morning I guess.

 

lol

[Spanky99]

Thread in question perhaps...

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/10446-The-Blue-Jays-acquire-Mitchell-White?p=1629848&viewfull=1#post1629848

 

Jim liked it. Don't see much here aside from a handful of the sky is falling guys.

 

Quite comical.

Edited February 19, 2023 by Spanky99

[Spanky99]

He'll be the #5 starter for a good chunk of the season.

 

Our depth is fine. 2 guys get hurt, most teams are f***ed. Wait and see...

[MikeM3]

As a mid season pickup after the Frasso deal? There was nothing wrong with that trade, Jays had to move him, for immediate help. Don't be that guy man.

 

There is everything wrong with having to trade a pitcher like Frasso with that much of an outlier fastball because you can't develop any 4 inning s*** bags like Mitch White.

 

Atkins does his best at the mlb level to plug holes but those holes are created by our terrible pitching dev.

[Jimcanuck]

Our depth is fine. 2 guys get hurt, most teams are f***ed. Wait and see...

 

That's not what you were saying last month.

[Laika]

He'll be the #5 starter for a good chunk of the season.

 

Not if he sucks

[Laika]

It's definitely a big year for the Jays pitching development. No doubt it has let them down in the last couple of years at the MLB level, despite some big home runs like Manoah.

 

It takes a while to create a good development system. Mitch White was a 2016 draft pick so unless Shapiro was miraculously able to have a good pipeline from day one, you'd kind of expect to not have as many guys like that. But they've had a lot of flops when it comes to acquisitions.

 

It kind of looks like real talent is reaching the middle minors. The year will be very telling I think. If guys like Robberse and Juenger and Santos and Zulueta look useless, then it's not a good look

[Spanky99]

There is everything wrong with having to trade a pitcher like Frasso with that much of an outlier fastball because you can't develop any 4 inning s*** bags like Mitch White.

 

Atkins does his best at the mlb level to plug holes but those holes are created by our terrible pitching dev.

 

That development has changed dramatically, if you haven't noticed. The development complex will change everything, guys are admittedly signing here because of the access to this technology.

[Spanky99]

That's not what you were saying last month.

 

It's still possible Jim, in this context please, thanks.

 

Also, I said our depth was fine at the time, but another arm don't hurt, just have fun finding it on this team. Who'll come here for work, name them?

[jaysblue]

It would be nice if the Jays skipped the No. 5 spot when they could during the season, though not sure they'll do that or if there are any spots in the schedule where they could. Minimize the chances you use Kikuchi or White and then for that week gives you an extra BP arm with some length.

[Carlos Danger]

Our depth is fine. 2 guys get hurt, most teams are f***ed. Wait and see...

 

I went through and looked at MLB team’s projected starting 5. A lot of teams have 5 locked SPs and don’t have room for guys who should be starting. We have a potentially great top 4, but not like we are holding guys back who should def have a spot.

 

Take Detroit as an example. They have their 5 SPs and guys like Brieske, Wentz and Tarik Skabul can’t even get a 5th spot going out the gate.

 

Brieske did well enough to deserve a spot as did Wentz.

 

Just one example.

 

PS: You should thank me Spanky. All I have been doing this thread is driving up the value, to my detriment, of some of the guys you own in BORED lol

Edited February 19, 2023 by Carlos Danger

[Spanky99]

It would be nice if the Jays skipped the No. 5 spot when they could during the season, though not sure they'll do that or if there are any spots in the schedule where they could. Minimize the chances you use Kikuchi or White and then for that week gives you an extra BP arm with some length.

 

You'll burn the team out coach. Next...

[Spanky99]

I went through and looked at MLB team’s projected starting 5. A lot of teams have 5 locked SPs and don’t have room for guys who should be starting. We have a potentially great to 4, but not like we are holding guys back who should def have a spot.

 

Take Detroit as an example. They have their 5 SPs and guys like Briske, Wentz and Tarik Skabul can’t even get a 5th spot going out the gate.

 

Briske did well enough to deserve a spot as did Wentz.

 

Just one example.

 

PS: You should thank me Spanky. All I have been doing this thread is driving up the value, to my detriment, of some of the guys you own in BORED lol

 

Brieske... and you should stop taking what people say about your fantasy players to heart. It's unbecoming.

[Spanky99]

It's definitely a big year for the Jays pitching development. No doubt it has let them down in the last couple of years at the MLB level, despite some big home runs like Manoah.

 

It takes a while to create a good development system. Mitch White was a 2016 draft pick so unless Shapiro was miraculously able to have a good pipeline from day one, you'd kind of expect to not have as many guys like that. But they've had a lot of flops when it comes to acquisitions.

 

It kind of looks like real talent is reaching the middle minors. The year will be very telling I think. If guys like Robberse and Juenger and Santos and Zulueta look useless, then it's not a good look

 

Which is fair, we'll see.