Around Baseball 2023

[wamco]

BREAKING: Team loses players once their contracts expire

 

L54, what percentage of teams may be losing 3/5 of its rotation within the next 3 seasons ?

 

 

And I get it , that’s our strength, but still. All 3 are making 21m +.

[L54]

L54, what percentage of teams may be losing 3/5 of its rotation within the next 3 seasons ?

 

 

And I get it , that’s our strength, but still. All 3 are making 21m +.

 

Not the Dodgers haha

 

Rosters are cyclical. Players come and go. These guys are too attached to names

[max silver]

So sign Bellinger to an eight year deal. That makes sense

 

I never once suggested signing Bellinger at any cost. If the term and AAV comes down to something more commensurate with the risky offensive profile I think he's worth a bit of risk, otherwise the club should simply move on. I think Bellinger at something like a Springer contract is worth a gamble given the potential upside he offers.

[wamco]

No one is panicking, there are just different opinions on the path forward.

 

The very notion of the term “window “ is panicking. Another option is continuing to simply plug holes with short term contracts and make a deadline move.

As a fan since 87, I LOVE making the playoffs on an annual basis. I don’t see us anywhere near a need for a rebuild

[glory]

The bulk of the good players on this team, if not all of them, are free agents either after 2025 (Vlad, Bo, Romano, Bassitt, Swanson, Mayza, Green) or 2026 (Gausman, Kirk, Varsho, Springer, maybe Berrios if he opts out). So yes there is a window, but flexibility can lead to having a more fluid view of the roster long term, and there are ways to expand the window (extensions, trades, reallocating funds). Right now the Jays are in a good spot where they don't have any albatross contracts and can easily pivot in direction depending on the circumstances. Where the Jays really have to start stepping up is internal player development. I'm not sure if Orelvis, Tiedemann, Roden, Schneider, Horowitz, Barger, Jimenez, etc (just naming prospects in AA/AAA that are close) are good enough to extend the window beyond 2025, but you kinda have to give them a shot (whichever ones aren't traded beforehand) to see if a couple can stick. Schneider last season was found money.

 

I'm firmly in the "find the best 1-2 year deals you can get" category. Try to make the 2024-25 teams as good as possible but don't make a regrettable long term decision for the sake of trying to maximize a perceived window.

[Jimcanuck]

The very notion of the term “window “ is panicking. Another option is continuing to simply plug holes with short term contracts and make a deadline move.

As a fan since 87, I LOVE making the playoffs on an annual basis. I don’t see us anywhere near a need for a rebuild

 

No it's not panicking. And its not a notion, a competitive window (or win curve) is a real thing in all sports.

 

You say you don't see the Jays as anywhere near the need for a rebuild, yet a few posts back you mention trading Vlad and Bo.

[wamco]

At this payroll you just don’t make any albatross contracts and you are fine. Obviously tighter in AL EAST.

 

2025 (Vlad, Bo, Romano, Bassitt, Swanson, Mayza, Green)

 

4 relief pitchers in that 7. Id sure as heck hope we can replace that in 2 years. Thats like 40m in salary). A pitcher going into his age 37 season making 21m, vlad (a dh making 25m a year) and bo (who I love the defensive improvement while his baserunning has decreased)

 

 

We continue to have 89-92 win teams at this payroll. Its good times

Edited December 23, 2023 by wamco

[wamco]

No it's not panicking. And its not a notion, a competitive window (or win curve) is a real thing in all sports.

 

You say you don't see the Jays as anywhere near the need for a rebuild, yet a few posts back you mention trading Vlad and Bo.

 

Maybe a GM that drafted and developed better would be ideal. If payroll stayed static over past 8 years , Atkins would be gone by now. Payroll increases have saved him.

 

In terms of trades , I don t see trading a 1 WAR 1b man making 20 m and 25 next year as a rebuild. Even trading Bo could get another mlb player and free up salary for another player(s).

[Jimcanuck]

We continue to have 89-92 win teams at this payroll. Its good times

 

Guaranteed?

[TheHurl]

Franco has never been suspended. It was a voluntary leave.

 

The accusation that Franco is a pedo is suspect. There have been reports that Franco was a minor when the relationships started, and the relationships continued after he became an adult and they were still minors. The age separation is apparently 3-4 years. Such cases are generally not reported, nor pursued. I expect nothing would have happened, if Franco was not a highly paid MLB player.

 

I don't see this as a pedophile case. Franco is not 30 years old and preying on minors.

 

Off the record, but direct from a Rays coach to my my ears, there are players and coaches on the Rays who would be unhappy if Wander comes back. Person who said this gave nothing more about what the story is, but that makes me believe it is more than what any public story is telling.

[G-Snarls]

Yeah. Tampa just might have to eat that contract they signed him to. Or try to trade him at a massive discount relative to his baseball value.

 

One of the few regretful contracts they've ever given out of that's what happens

Edited December 23, 2023 by G-Snarls

[Jimcanuck]

Off the record, but direct from a Rays coach to my my ears, there are players and coaches on the Rays who would be unhappy if Wander comes back. Person who said this gave nothing more about what the story is, but that makes me believe it is more than what any public story is telling.

 

Ya I am sure there are those that would be unhappy, those that wouldn't care, and those that would welcome him back. That's just the nature of the matter.

[Stangstag]

Ya I am sure there are those that would be unhappy, those that wouldn't care, and those that would welcome him back. That's just the nature of the matter.

 

Yes, other Pedos

[Stangstag]

https://theathletic.com/5158078/2023/12/22/yoshinobu-yamamoto-yankees-offer/

 

The Yankees offered Yamamoto a higher average annual value than the Dodgers, an earlier opt-out and more money in the first five years, according to sources briefed on the respective proposals.

 

The Yankees couldn’t even sway his decision with more money.

 

Absolutely 0 chance he was ever even considering Toronto. Ohtani probably wasn’t either.

[Spanky__99]

https://theathletic.com/5158078/2023/12/22/yoshinobu-yamamoto-yankees-offer/

 

The Yankees offered Yamamoto a higher average annual value than the Dodgers, an earlier opt-out and more money in the first five years, according to sources briefed on the respective proposals.

 

The Yankees couldn’t even sway his decision with more money.

 

Absolutely 0 chance he was ever even considering Toronto. Ohtani probably wasn’t either.

 

Yes, f*** the Yankees!!!

[The Cats Ass]

I kinda hope Yamamoto is a complete bust. Like a Hideki Irabu.

[connorp]

Yes, other Pedos

 

Athletes tend to have more testosterone than coaches or dudes like you/hurl. This allows them to distinguish what’s pedo and what’s not

[BigCecil]

I kinda hope Yamamoto is a complete bust. Like a Hideki Irabu.

 

Every time I think of Irabu I can't help but think of that Seinfeld scene of George Constanza's Dad Frank raving in court about Steinbrenner giving him $12M.

 

[Frenchsoup]

Red Sox want Teo, hope they get him and plug him in Rf. Would love to face that often.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/red-sox-angels-reportedly-interested-in-teoscar-hernandez.html

[Stangstag]

Red Sox want Teo, hope they get him and plug him in Rf. Would love to face that often.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/red-sox-angels-reportedly-interested-in-teoscar-hernandez.html

 

I feel like Teo playing RF in fenway would be a disaster. IMO they’d play him in LF

[Spanky__99]

Every time I think of Irabu I can't help but think of that Seinfeld scene of George Constanza's Dad Frank raving in court about Steinbrenner giving him $12M.

 

 

And the earlier episode about trading Jay Buhner, lol.

 

[BigCecil]

And the earlier episode about trading Jay Buhner, lol.

 

 

Just watched it. Man that is sooo classic.

[Frenchsoup]

Chad Wallach resigned with the Angels he's a really quality defensive catcher...nice signing by them.

[Eat My Shatkins]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39173255/mets-hit-record-101m-luxury-tax-last-place-finish

 

 

NEW YORK -- The New York Mets must pay a record luxury tax of nearly $101 million after a fourth-place finish in their division, among an unprecedented eight teams that owe the penalty for the 2023 season.

 

Owner Steve Cohen's Mets finished with a tax payroll of $374.7 million, according to figures finalized by Major League Baseball on Thursday and obtained by The Associated Press. That topped the previous high of $291.1 million by the 2015 Los Angeles Dodgers.

 

The Mets' tax bill came to $100,781,932 after they finished fourth in the NL East at 75-87 in the most expensive flop in baseball history. That more than doubled the prior high of $43.6 million by the 2015 Dodgers.

[Spanky__99]

Just watched it. Man that is sooo classic.

 

I'm on Season 1 again, for the umpteenth time, lol.

[Frenchsoup]

Pretty bad by Cohen lol he's scared now

[P2F]

Chad Wallach resigned with the Angels he's a really quality defensive catcher...nice signing by them.

 

[Frenchsoup]

 

I know right?? A quality Person who helps pitchers...Crazy right P2F?

[Spanky__99]

I'm waaaaaay too high for this?!

[Frenchsoup]

Erik Kratz....shame on mlb organizations for not realizing the talents and toughness of these players. Russell Martin I love you and thank you for teaching me s*** about the game and Relationships.