Around Baseball 2023

[Brownie19]

Gold Glove nominees are out. 5 Blue Jays (Berrios, Chapman, Varsho, KK and Kirk). Biggest shock is Arenado wasn't nominated this year, after winning it for 10 straight years. Riley nominated over Arenado is a joke, although Ke-Bryan Hayes should win the award anyway (and he may for the foreseeable future).

 

 

and yes, Moreno was also nominated in the NL.

[BTS]

For some reason MLBTR wrote kind of a ridiculous Kim Ng puff piece

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/kim-ng-preferred-justin-turner-to-jean-segura-last-offseason.html

[Laika]

For some reason MLBTR wrote kind of a ridiculous Kim Ng puff piece

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/kim-ng-preferred-justin-turner-to-jean-segura-last-offseason.html

 

absurd

 

I am open-minded about Kim Ng possibly being a great executive because it's not like she had a lot of resources to work with in Miami, or a good organization or ownership group... but it has to be about the body of work. People keep talking about how she is "qualified twice over" to run a team but really very little she has done with the Marlins demonstrates that she is an upper half GM.

[Terminator]

For some reason MLBTR wrote kind of a ridiculous Kim Ng puff piece

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/10/kim-ng-preferred-justin-turner-to-jean-segura-last-offseason.html

 

Lol you don't get your top choice a lot of the time, especially if you're the Marlins.

 

Doesn't excuse you when your #2 choice falls flat on his face like Segura did. Did she also prefer someone else to Avisail Garcia? Both were awful signings.

[L54]

Lol no s***. No mention of the massive deal she gave a corner outfielder who I presume sucks at D and has 15 HR upside.

 

Pretty sure it was a 4 year deal too. Was a real head scratcher then and looks terrible now

[glory]

That "Ross Atkins preferred Cody Bellinger to Daulton Varsho Last Off Season" article is going to be incredible.

 

What an oddly specific and pointless thing to write about. Ng made some decent moves (Luzardo being the best one) but also had some stinkers in there (Garcia contract). If they wanted to write an article detailing every move, then that might have been an interesting read, but just singling out that Segura/Turner move is strange.

[L54]

That "Ross Atkins preferred Cody Bellinger to Daulton Varsho Last Off Season" article is going to be incredible.

 

What an oddly specific and pointless thing to write about. Ng made some decent moves (Luzardo being the best one) but also had some stinkers in there (Garcia contract). If they wanted to write an article detailing every move, then that might have been an interesting read, but just singling out that Segura/Turner move is strange.

 

Luzardo for Starling Marte was a great move good call. The A’s are so bad

[xposbrad]

absurd

 

I am open-minded about Kim Ng possibly being a great executive because it's not like she had a lot of resources to work with in Miami, or a good organization or ownership group... but it has to be about the body of work. People keep talking about how she is "qualified twice over" to run a team but really very little she has done with the Marlins demonstrates that she is an upper half GM.

 

Didn’t her drafting suck huge and they wanted someone to help with that and she bailed? She’s below mediocre.

[Ehjays]

I wonder what Shota Imanaga will end up getting

 

Not sure what he gets, but Yamamoto is gonna get paid. St Louis already sending over the recruits.

 

[Brownie19]

I'm curious what the board thinks about Arenado. Are we firmly in a decline now? I was prepared to give him a pass in the COVID 2020 season, but he hasn't been great with the bat in 2 of the past 3 season - albeit the sandwich season in between was his very best!

 

Is he going to rebound and cruise into the HOF? or is he going to end up like Longoria and limp to the finish line, falling just short of a HOF career?

[Laika]

I'm curious what the board thinks about Arenado. Are we firmly in a decline now? I was prepared to give him a pass in the COVID 2020 season, but he hasn't been great with the bat in 2 of the past 3 season - albeit the sandwich season in between was his very best!

 

Is he going to rebound and cruise into the HOF? or is he going to end up like Longoria and limp to the finish line, falling just short of a HOF career?

 

Of course

 

wRC+ last 4 years is 76 (sss), 112, 150, 107.

that's after five straight prime years of 121 to 133.

 

it's probable that he is done being an elite defender

 

his under the hood offensive numbers don't show any drastic drops but you can see small things like uptick in chase rate the last couple of years, trouble getting the ball in the air this year.

 

very much feels like Evan Longoria circa 2017/2018

 

probably at the stage of his career where a 3 WAR season is close to as good as you can hope for

[connorp]

Arenado will probably have a resurgence in NY. If there’s any nerds running StL that believe in WAR, it’s pretty clear Walker needs to be a 3b

[BTS]

I think the 10 straight gold gloves gets him into the HoF unless he completely falls off a cliff next year. Probably finishes with 400+ HR, 55 fWAR and a run of 10-straight gold gloves.

[Brownie19]

Of course

 

wRC+ last 4 years is 76 (sss), 112, 150, 107.

that's after five straight prime years of 121 to 133.

 

it's probable that he is done being an elite defender

 

his under the hood offensive numbers don't show any drastic drops but you can see small things like uptick in chase rate the last couple of years, trouble getting the ball in the air this year.

 

very much feels like Evan Longoria circa 2017/2018

 

probably at the stage of his career where a 3 WAR season is close to as good as you can hope for

 

Do you think he gets into the HOF? The 10 GG's probably help a lot. Looks like Longoria will fall short. I was always such a huge fan of Longoria and David Wright back in the day. Arenado just needs to start drinking whatever Adrian Beltre did in his early 30's.

[Laika]

Do you think he gets into the HOF? The 10 GG's probably help a lot. Looks like Longoria will fall short. I was always such a huge fan of Longoria and David Wright back in the day. Arenado just needs to start drinking whatever Adrian Beltre did in his early 30's.

 

No idea. Definitely many writers will blow their load over 10 straight GGs.

 

But Wright - Longoria - Arenado will be a fascinating group to watch slowly be voting eligible as they are so similar (assuming Arenado is done being a star player). Like if David Wright doesn't get in how can you argue for either of the other two?

 

None of them are Hall of Famers to me.

 

Actually, I'll walk that back a bit. Arenado might get there.

[BTS]

Do you think he gets into the HOF? The 10 GG's probably help a lot. Looks like Longoria will fall short. I was always such a huge fan of Longoria and David Wright back in the day. Arenado just needs to start drinking whatever Adrian Beltre did in his early 30's.

 

Man I thought Longo was going to be an easy HoFer. 45.7 fWAR through age-30, then just 9 in the 7 years since.

 

Another 3B in a similar boat is Jose Ramirez. 46.7 fWAR through age-30. He's like two-more 5-win seasons from getting to slam-dunk territory, and can also get in if he has a run of good but not great seasons into his mid-late 30s. Probably helps if he plays his whole career in Cleveland.

[BTS]

No idea. Definitely many writers will blow their load over 10 straight GGs.

 

But Wright - Longoria - Arenado will be a fascinating group to watch slowly be voting eligible as they are so similar (assuming Arenado is done being a star player). Like if David Wright doesn't get in how can you argue for either of the other two?

 

None of them are Hall of Famers to me.

 

Actually, I'll walk that back a bit. Arenado might get there.

 

Wright is tough. Didn't even hit 300 HR, 1000 R or 1000 RBI. 2 gold gloves. Never led the league in any major categories. No major awards outside of the gold gloves. Arenado is going to end up with a more impressive resume, even if only because Wright's career was derailed by injury.

[Laika]

Wright is tough. Didn't even hit 300 HR, 1000 R or 1000 RBI. 2 gold gloves. Never led the league in any major categories. No major awards outside of the gold gloves. Arenado is going to end up with a more impressive resume, even if only because Wright's career was derailed by injury.

 

bWAR also likes Arenado much more than fWAR does, which will influence some writers

[Brownie19]

The following people are nominated for the HOF through the committee HOF vote:

 

Cito Gaston

Davey Johnson

Jim Leyland

Ed Montague

Hank Peters

Lou Piniella

Cowboy Joe West

Bill White

 

Without looking (I don't even know who a few of these guys are), I'd suggest Piniella and Leyland deserve some consideration. If Cowboy Joe West gets in, does that pave the way for Angel to get in?

[mphenhef]

Didn’t her drafting suck huge and they wanted someone to help with that and she bailed? She’s below mediocre.

 

 

she's been GM since 2021...Anyone who is judging a GM's drafting skills that early is a damned fool.

[jaysblue]

Do you think he gets into the HOF? The 10 GG's probably help a lot. Looks like Longoria will fall short. I was always such a huge fan of Longoria and David Wright back in the day. Arenado just needs to start drinking whatever Adrian Beltre did in his early 30's.

 

Was a huge fan of both Longoria and David Wright back in the day as well. Wright was one of my favourite players. Sucks injuries derailed and ended his career early.

 

I think Arenado still gets into the HOF. As long as he doesn't turn into a pumpkin offensively and continues to post a couple more 2-3 WAR seasons, he should get in. I still think we could another bounce back elite season from him.

[max silver]

Of course

 

wRC+ last 4 years is 76 (sss), 112, 150, 107.

that's after five straight prime years of 121 to 133.

 

it's probable that he is done being an elite defender

 

his under the hood offensive numbers don't show any drastic drops but you can see small things like uptick in chase rate the last couple of years, trouble getting the ball in the air this year.

 

very much feels like Evan Longoria circa 2017/2018

 

probably at the stage of his career where a 3 WAR season is close to as good as you can hope for

 

It seems like there's a very good chance that Arenado bounces back with better health next season as he reportedly suffered from several injury related issues this past season.

 

There are reasons for Arenado’s underperformance this year. He experienced a dead-arm sensation for the majority of the first half of the season and didn’t feel like he fully regained his strength back in his throwing arm until mid-July. Arenado also experienced back spasms throughout the second half, which grew so severe that it ultimately ended his season. The Cardinals placed Arenado on the injured list with 10 games remaining in the regular season.

 

https://theathletic.com/4974733/2023/10/18/mlb-gold-glove-finalists-list/

[BTS]

Kim Ng declined Boston’s invitation to interview

[wilko]

Kim Ng declined Boston’s invitation to interview

 

Red Sox are getting black balled.

[connorp]

Red Sox are getting black balled.

 

Could be a sensitivity issue. That market wouldn’t hold back. Toronto, SF the best landing spots if anything opens

[Laika]

Kim Ng declined Boston’s invitation to interview

 

Boston is a laughing stock.

 

You love to see it

[connorp]

Boston is a laughing stock.

 

You love to see it

 

Again, pressure cooker. But if you do well there (and get paid top dollar doing it), you go to a role like Theo

[Terminator]

Kim Ng declined Boston’s invitation to interview

 

Lmao hilarious.

 

First Click now Ng.

[TheHurl]

Could be a sensitivity issue. That market wouldnÂ’t hold back. Toronto, SF the best landing spots if anything opens

 

I missed your similar commentary about James Click. Pretty sure Kim can handle herself in any market

[Laika]

Again, pressure cooker. But if you do well there (and get paid top dollar doing it), you go to a role like Theo

 

brother, Kim f***ing Ng turned them down

 

the Boston Red Sox are almost the connorp of MLB baseball

 

maybe they can find a nice Morrocan GM or something