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Even with all the staff turnover, the Houston FO keeps making good moves

 

Feel like their owner actually understands how to manage a team long term

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Weird for Oakland. Puk is a good reliever.

 

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Weird for Oakland. Puk is a good reliever.

 

 

Meh, both guys are just post hype reclamation projects of sorts. Puk is still pretty wild and doesn’t exactly limit hard contact. Bleday has that former top 5 pick shine and is neither a pitcher nor a reliever and did fine in AAA last season with far more control.

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Meh, both guys are just post hype reclamation projects of sorts. Puk is still pretty wild and doesn’t exactly limit hard contact. Bleday has that former top 5 pick shine and is neither a pitcher nor a reliever and did fine in AAA last season with far more control.

 

Yeah that makes sense. I suppose the A's can roll the dice and it will only cost them a reliever that is going to hit arb next year.

 

Classic A's trade where they chase after cheap controllable 2 WAR positional talent. Not sure if Bleday can get there but him batting lefthanded probably makes him an acceptable platoon partner for the three years before he hits arb at least.

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Really dislike that for Oakland.

 

Puk doesn't even have to improve to be a decent trade chip at the deadline.

 

Bleday on the other hand needs to change a lot to be above replacement level. He can barrel the ball and take a walk but the problems after that are numerous. Not a good defender, not fast, when he doesn't barrel it's a fly ball and not a line drive plus he has some contact issues (so he may not hit even .220), his raw power is not even as good as you would expect.

 

Just looks like trading a bona fide MLB LHRP for a AAAA hitter....

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I saw this one, but its not behind a paywall

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/35563220/way-too-early-2023-mlb-starting-rotation-rankings

 

They have the Jays at 8th

 

 

8. Toronto Blue Jays

Game score W/L: 95-67, .586

 

Average game score: 54.4

 

Dominance rank: 4 | Consistency rank: 3

 

Gems: 43 | Eggs: 21

 

Rotation: Alek Manoah (22-8), Kevin Gausman (23-9), Chris Bassitt (22-10), Jose Berrios (13-14), Yusei Kikuchi (7-11), Nate Pearson (5-6), Mitch White (2-5), Hyun Jin Ryu (3-4)

 

The addition of Bassitt gives the Blue Jays a strong core trio with three potential 20-game winners (well, "game score" winners, anyway, but I love the old-timey nomenclature). There are questions with some possible exciting answers even after Manoah, Gausman and Bassitt. Can Berrios get back on track? Can Ryu return by midseason, as he says he wants to do? This rotation has a chance to not just be good, but to be really, really deep.

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Gage's numbers looked pretty good. I was mildly surprised that he was the one that they DFA'd.

 

I hate it when a smart team picks up a DFA of the Jays... ya just know he'll be fantastic for them.

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I hate it when a smart team picks up a DFA of the Jays... ya just know he'll be fantastic for them.

 

Yup. That DFA was a head scratcher.

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I hate it when a smart team picks up a DFA of the Jays... ya just know he'll be fantastic for them.

 

Dammit

 

I was hoping he'd make it through waivers

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Dammit

 

I was hoping he'd make it through waivers

 

I think he did then was outright released.

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The tweet says "claimed off waivers"

 

The Jays' own website said he was released. I think the waivers take precedence and the Jays were just premature. Embarassing.

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I think what happened is Toronto placed him on Release Waivers. This is actually weird. Normally when a player like Gage is waived it's for the purpose of removing him from the 40 man roster and if he isn't claimed he can go to the minors. Or, removing a player without options from the 26 man roster to demote them.

 

But Release Waivers also exists. Normally you only see this when a player has a contract the organization is trying to shed. Or when a player has kicked around the league a lot without getting an extended opportunity. I guess Gage is thirty years old so this makes sense.

 

I bet Gage did have an offer from a foreign club and he indicated that he would prefer to take it than go to AAA. Toronto obliged. But they can't just outright release him, they have to use Release Waivers. Gage would have had the right to reject the Astros claim and be a free agent instead, if he wanted. Houston convinced him to stick with them. Maybe they talked up his MLB path to playing time.

 

So, just some semantics on the announcement. From Toronto's perspective they did "release" him.

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New rule changes/ updates:

 

Extra inning runner now permanently implemented. Still not going to be used in the Playoffs

Position players can’t pitch in a game unless a) it’s extra innings, B) it’s the 9th inning and your team is up by 10 or more, or c) it’s the 9th inning and your team is down by 8 or more

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New rule changes/ updates:

 

Extra inning runner now permanently implemented. Still not going to be used in the Playoffs

Position players can’t pitch in a game unless a) it’s extra innings, B) it’s the 9th inning and your team is up by 10 or more, or c) it’s the 9th inning and your team is down by 8 or more

 

Grant will be happy

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Shouldn't have to be a rule but it's for the good of the game.

 

Yeah, just like the pitch clock/runner rule, have to mess with tradition to evolve and stay in tune with the current generation. Only the old timers long for the 16 inning 2-1 games

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New rule changes/ updates:

 

Extra inning runner now permanently implemented. Still not going to be used in the Playoffs

Position players can’t pitch in a game unless a) it’s extra innings, B) it’s the 9th inning and your team is up by 10 or more, or c) it’s the 9th inning and your team is down by 8 or more

 

That's the most disturbing baseball news we have seen in my lifetime. Shame on MLB, truly disgusting.

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That's the most disturbing baseball news we have seen in my lifetime. Shame on MLB, truly disgusting.

 

I think that's why the rest of us know these changes are good for baseball.

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