Around Baseball 2023

[jaysblue]

Shocked Jeff Kent never made the HOF.

[AMS528]

Maybe the guy is a true bum and did throw it at the baby. Certainly possible but more likely the baby wasn’t the intended target. If the baby wasnt, chalk it up to doing the judge, jury, executioner thing before you have the whole story

 

I don't really know how else to word this, but if you're in a room with a ten month old baby, and you decide because you're angry to toss chewed tobacco at the mother who is in the vicinity of the baby, close enough that it could hit the baby, that continues to be f***ed up anyways even if you weren't targeting the baby. A person who does that near a baby is a psycho.

[Jays24]

Sorry but the hall of fame will always be a joke to me if Bonds/Clemens/Schilling aren't in there Edited January 25, 2023 by Jays24

[TheHurl]

https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-hall-of-fame-2023-voting

 

Candidates needed 292 votes to be elected. Full BBWAA ballot results are below:

 

Scott Rolen: 297 votes, 76.3%

Todd Helton: 281 votes, 72.2%

Billy Wagner: 265 votes, 68.1%

Andruw Jones: 226 votes, 58.1%

Gary Sheffield: 214 votes, 55%

Carlos Beltrán: 181 votes, 46.5%

Jeff Kent: 181 votes, 46.5% (final year on ballot)

Alex Rodriguez: 139 votes, 35.7%

Manny Ramirez: 129 votes, 33.2%

Omar Vizquel: 76 votes, 19.5%

Andy Pettitte: 66 votes, 17%

Bobby Abreu: 60 votes, 15.4%

Jimmy Rollins: 50 votes, 12.9%

Mark Buehrle: 42 votes, 10.8%

Francisco Rodriguez: 42 votes, 10.8%

Torii Hunter: 27 votes, 6.9 percent

 

(Players receiving less than 5% will drop off future ballots)

 

Bronson Arroyo: 1 vote, 0.3%

R.A. Dickey: 1 vote, 0.3%

John Lackey: 1 vote, 0.3%

Mike Napoli: 1 vote, 0.3%

Huston Street: 1 vote, 0.3%

Matt Cain: 0 votes, 0%

Jacoby Ellsbury: 0 votes, 0%

Andre Ethier: 0 votes, 0%

J.J. Hardy: 0 votes, 0%

Jhonny Peralta: 0 votes, 0%

Jered Weaver: 0 votes, 0%

Jayson Werth: 0 votes, 0%

 

The most ridiculous part of the process is that only 10.2% of the voters thought he was a HOF'er in 2018. Those guys who didn't vote for him the previous 5 votes, finally got around to looking up his stats?

 

 

Beltran (probably the best player on this ballot not named ARod) will get in likely in 2027. The pool over voters should be 10,000 have to answer baseball trivia to unlock their ballot and when you vote, you don't get another for at least 5 years. Then people might vote properly. I've just given too much thought for something that every year I say is something I don't care about.

[Carlos Danger]

Lots of Psychos in baseball. They were even on TV in the U.S back in 2015. It wasn’t the Bat flip they were talking about in the U.S, it was beer cans hitting babies.

[Carlos Danger]

Who the F#%ck gave Dickey a HoF vote?? What a waste.

[Spanky__99]

Lots of Psychos in baseball. They were even on TV in the U.S back in 2015. It wasn’t the Bat flip they were talking about in the U.S, it was beer cans hitting babies.

 

Huh?

[Spanky__99]

I just saw a clip on SN on Clev, they didn't paint a pretty picture, basically wife and child beater of all 3 kids, still no word from anyone else.

[BTS]

I just saw a clip on SN on Clev, they didn't paint a pretty picture, basically wife and child beater of all 3 kids, still no word from anyone else.

 

What a sad career trajectory. 2019 Clev was like top-3 most fun pitchers in the game. At 28 he could have had a decade-long run in him.

[Spanky__99]

What a sad career trajectory. 2019 Clev was like top-3 most fun pitchers in the game. At 28 he could have had a decade-long run in him.

 

Lets see what happens first, but it does not look good.

[Grant77]

Sorry but the hall of fame will always be a joke to me if Bonds/Clemons/Schilling aren't in there

 

One of these things is not like the others.

[Jays24]

One of these things is not like the others.

 

Are we talking about my Spelling typo of Clemens or the fact Schilling isn't in because he's a douchebag?

[Grant77]

Are we talking about my Spelling typo of Clemens or the fact Schilling isn't in because he's a douchebag?

 

Clemens and Bonds are two of the greatest 10 players in the sport's history.

 

Schilling is a borderline Hall of Famer that was left out, at least in part, due to performance.

[Carlos Danger]

Clemens and Bonds are two of the greatest 10 players in the sport's history.

 

Schilling is a borderline Hall of Famer that was left out, at least in part, due to performance.

 

That’s BS, Schilling has the performance box checked. He is just not likes by some and that is the only reason he is not in the HoF. Period stop.

[Dick_Pole]

Whomever voted for Dickey, Arroyo, Street, Napoli and Lackey should have their voting priviledges revoked immediately. They're obviously f***ing morons.

 

I don't have a problem giving players a pity vote when you 100% know they won't have a chance and you aren't sacrificing someone you think is more deserving to do so.

[Dick_Pole]

Why doesn't Pettitte get more votes? 68 WAR, lot of playoff success and championships, Yankee (not that this should matter, but typically does). This is just b/c of his admission to PED use?

 

I'm also still baffled that Kevin Brown never got voted in.

 

Kenny Lofton will always be the player who I think got snubbed the most that I saw play in my lifetime. One and done, not even any remote consideration unlike guys like Kent.

 

David Wells the most snubbed pitcher. Yeah Brown has more Fangraphs WAR but otherwise their stats are pretty comparable and Wells has the playoff heroics to fall back on.

 

I think those three guys and Stieb will get voted in one day by the Veteran's Committee.

[Dick_Pole]

The most ridiculous part of the process is that only 10.2% of the voters thought he was a HOF'er in 2018. Those guys who didn't vote for him the previous 5 votes, finally got around to looking up his stats?

 

 

Beltran (probably the best player on this ballot not named ARod) will get in likely in 2027. The pool over voters should be 10,000 have to answer baseball trivia to unlock their ballot and when you vote, you don't get another for at least 5 years. Then people might vote properly. I've just given too much thought for something that every year I say is something I don't care about.

 

It's basic human psychology. Jumping on a bandwagon instead of thinking for yourself. It's prevalent in all facets of society. Without it, I wouldn't be able to load up on some ******** penny stock, wait 5 years for something to happen, then cash out a 7-digit figure. I'm fine with it.

[jaysblue]

Kenny Lofton career 62.4 WAR. Over 600 stolen bases. Crazy to believe he was snubbed.

[connorp]

Does it matter who the target was?

 

God you’re such a moron

 

It definitely matters. You’re talking two different kind of people in each scenario. Sorry you guys are so emotional in your thinking (as always).

 

If you have a guy that accidentally catches a girl with an elbow when he’s going to punch another guy, is he on the same moral level as someone that cold cock punches a girl out?

Edited January 25, 2023 by connorp

[Stangstag]

It definitely matters. You’re talking two different kind of people in each scenario. Sorry you guys are so emotional in your thinking (as always).

 

If you have a guy that accidentally catches a girl with an elbow when he’s going to punch another guy, is he on the same moral level as someone that cold cock punches a girl out?

 

Whether he’s throwing chewing tabacco at his wife or at his kid, its still trash bag behavior. And it still hit his kid. Actions may have unintended consequences. Doesn’t matter who he was aiming for. Also you’re making a big stretch trying to create this scenario where he wasn’t actually trying to hit the kid.

Stop defending scumbags.

 

Also aren’t you the one always talking about how the front office needs to take accountability for their actions/failures?? I guess that mindset doesn’t matter for people like Bauer and Clev

[Deadpool]

Whether he’s throwing chewing tabacco at his wife or at his kid, its still trash bag behavior. And it still hit his kid. Actions may have unintended consequences. Doesn’t matter who he was aiming for. Also you’re making a big stretch trying to create this scenario where he wasn’t actually trying to hit the kid.

Stop defending scumbags.

 

If he stops now, he may have to examine why he stans for scumbags so hard, and I bet that would be an uncomfortable realization...

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Whomever voted for Dickey, Arroyo, Street, Napoli and Lackey should have their voting priviledges revoked immediately. They're obviously f***ing morons.

 

Torii Hunter is being totally disrespected.

[connorp]

If he stops now, he may have to examine why he stans for scumbags so hard, and I bet that would be an uncomfortable realization...

 

No, man. You guys and your cancel culture are what’s wrong. You need to get all the details before you destroy someone.

 

Look if someone really beats their wife and that’s generally how they are, honestly I wouldn’t object if they got executed. But you cant just toss everyone in the same bin.

 

Take the Dana White example. Taking him and his wife’s story at face value, I mean sometimes couples drink too much and there’s scuffling

 

If someone abused a baby, maybe a little worse than hitting them with tobacco, but seriously I would be first in line saying execute them.

 

Get all the facts first

[connorp]

It’s kind of like when you go to a management seminar thing and they teach you about not doing this in business. Taking a very limited amount of information and telling yourself a story and making definitive conclusions from it. It’s not good

 

This is where cancel culture comes from now. A lack of this

[connorp]

Whether he’s throwing chewing tabacco at his wife or at his kid, its still trash bag behavior. And it still hit his kid. Actions may have unintended consequences. Doesn’t matter who he was aiming for. Also you’re making a big stretch trying to create this scenario where he wasn’t actually trying to hit the kid.

Stop defending scumbags.

 

Also aren’t you the one always talking about how the front office needs to take accountability for their actions/failures?? I guess that mindset doesn’t matter for people like Bauer and Clev

 

When you sort through the facts of Bauer, all you can really definitively say he’s guilty of is really bad judgement. I think he was more than held accountable for that. What buried him was cancel culture from the jump

[Dick_Pole]

Connor has some interesting analogies. It wasn't a crowded bar, this was his home with minimal possible targets. Even if the tobacco was meant for the fish tank and the baby leapt in front of it like Superman to take the hit instead of his pet, it's still a pretty low move. Now the part I agree with is that evidence should be corroborated before punishment doled out but I and everyone else should be assuming that anyways.

[TheHurl]

No, man. You guys and your cancel culture are what’s wrong. You need to get all the details before you destroy someone.

 

Look if someone really beats their wife and that’s generally how they are, honestly I wouldn’t object if they got executed. But you cant just toss everyone in the same bin.

 

Take the Dana White example. Taking him and his wife’s story at face value, I mean sometimes couples drink too much and there’s scuffling

 

If someone abused a baby, maybe a little worse than hitting them with tobacco, but seriously I would be first in line saying execute them.

 

Get all the facts first

 

The tobacco with his kid will draw an emotional response but more importantly it's a direct violation of the Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy (under emotional harm, regardless of it's intended target). The choking and abusing his partner is another (alleged) violation.

 

We'll never see all the facts unless it becomes a trial. I, unlike some, trust that MLB investigations do their due diligence.

 

In the meantime he's an alleged piece of s*** on Twitter, not cancelled.

[TheHurl]

When you sort through the facts of Bauer, all you can really definitively say he’s guilty of is really bad judgement. I think he was more than held accountable for that. What buried him was cancel culture from the jump

 

the fact is (and you've pointed this out) we don't know the facts of Bauer. There are still 3 other accusers as well. What buried him may actually be the details and how they pertain to the policy.

[connorp]

The tobacco with his kid will draw an emotional response but more importantly it's a direct violation of the Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy (under emotional harm, regardless of it's intended target). The choking and abusing his partner is another (alleged) violation.

 

We'll never see all the facts unless it becomes a trial. I, unlike some, trust that MLB investigations do their due diligence.

 

In the meantime he's an alleged piece of s*** on Twitter, not cancelled.

 

Purposely throwing tobacco on a 10-month old baby isn’t something I can wrap my head around, so I’ll wait for the facts. I think it’s more likely he threw it at the wife with the baby in the vicinity. I’m sorry I separate the two actions. One I could understand more than the other.

[Pendleton]

No, man. You guys and your cancel culture are what’s wrong. You need to get all the details before you destroy someone.

 

Look if someone really beats their wife and that’s generally how they are, honestly I wouldn’t object if they got executed. But you cant just toss everyone in the same bin.

 

Take the Dana White example. Taking him and his wife’s story at face value, I mean sometimes couples drink too much and there’s scuffling

 

If someone abused a baby, maybe a little worse than hitting them with tobacco, but seriously I would be first in line saying execute them.

 

Get all the facts first

 

If cancel culture was that prevalent on these boards, you wouldn't still be here.