NLCS Series Thread; Phillies @ Padres Game 1 Best of 7

[BigCecil]

Yup, Bryce is still a boss, waiting till Friday is dumn though.

 

That swing. Taking 99 outer half away like that staying on it. He is locked in. I remember thinking that was a horrible contract when he signed it for the PHI. Not so sure about that since then. Lol. Really is a special talent.

[John_Havok]

I dont get why the Padres kept pitching to him, he was locking the entire series with 2 underperforming guys behind him.

 

I know the old school way of thinking that you dont want the go ahead run on base... but how do you let Harper beat you when the next 5 guys up after him are all hitting like crap.

[Brownie19]

I dont get why the Padres kept pitching to him, he was locking the entire series with 2 underperforming guys behind him.

 

I know the old school way of thinking that you dont want the go ahead run on base... but how do you let Harper beat you when the next 5 guys up after him are all hitting like crap.

 

Castellanos was behind him, providing Tapia level protection bruh!

[Laika]

That swing. Taking 99 outer half away like that staying on it. He is locked in. I remember thinking that was a horrible contract when he signed it for the PHI. Not so sure about that since then. Lol. Really is a special talent.

 

$330M so he needs to give them something like 33 to 42 WAR to justify it.

 

So far he has put up 14.9 in four seasons + this playoff performance which is worth a significant amount.

 

9 more seasons to produce 18 to 27 WAR.

 

I kind of like his chances. Couple more elite years and then switch to some boring old man years of OBP + power with no defense, but graceful aging.

 

The key is probably just avoiding major injuries.

[John_Havok]

$330M so he needs to give them something like 33 to 42 WAR to justify it.

 

So far he has put up 14.9 in four seasons + this playoff performance which is worth a significant amount.

 

9 more seasons to produce 18 to 27 WAR.

 

I kind of like his chances. Couple more elite years and then switch to some boring old man years of OBP + power with no defense, but graceful aging.

 

The key is probably just avoiding major injuries.

 

Check the highlight of the HR, according to the broadcaster he earned his entire contract with that one home run. Facts

[jaysblue]

He’s been a beast this postseason. Hoskins too

 

Hoskins power wise has. He's had some big hits. Defensively though he is awful haha.

[jaysblue]

That swing. Taking 99 outer half away like that staying on it. He is locked in. I remember thinking that was a horrible contract when he signed it for the PHI. Not so sure about that since then. Lol. Really is a special talent.

 

Can't believe he has already been with the Phillies for 4 years.

 

In 2021, he was putting together a monster season (6.6 WAR) though he missed some time with injuries.

 

He's always been like Jekyll and Hyde even when with the Nats. One year he can go all beast mode and post 7-8 WAR, the next have nagging injuries and look human posting 3-4 WAR. Even still in his down years, he's been very good. The issue is him staying healthy. He definitely is a special talent and when he's healthy and 100% you can make the argument he's one of the best players in baseball.

 

Considering what Aaron Judge could get as a next contract at the age of 30, Harpers contract signed at the age of 26 doesn't look too bad at all. He'll still be productive likely as a DH with some pop/OBP skills like Laika mentioned in the last couple years of his contract. Just needs to stay healthy and avoid significant/nagging injuries.

[BigCecil]

I dont get why the Padres kept pitching to him, he was locking the entire series with 2 underperforming guys behind him.

 

I know the old school way of thinking that you dont want the go ahead run on base... but how do you let Harper beat you when the next 5 guys up after him are all hitting like crap.

 

It's ripe for second guessing but with Harper locked in my son and I were yelling to go to Hader there. Game and season was on the line right then and there. Can Hader give you 6 outs? Or at least that one and 2-3 more? Try it. As it turns out Harper mashed a pretty good pitch. Just not up or down enough a tad but it was 99 outer half! But Hader's filth lately vs hot LHH I like my chances in that spot.

[John_Havok]

It's ripe for second guessing but with Harper locked in my son and I were yelling to go to Hader there. Game and season was on the line right then and there. Can Hader give you 6 outs? Or at least that one and 2-3 more? Try it. As it turns out Harper mashed a pretty good pitch. Just not up or down enough a tad but it was 99 outer half! But Hader's filth lately vs hot LHH I like my chances in that spot.

 

Another good point, why Hader wasnt in the game in that spot is kinda confusing.

[philly30]

Another good point, why Hader wasnt in the game in that spot is kinda confusing.

 

Because mangers these days are robots, they don't deviate from the script, could have used hader for the heart of the order and with the bottom of the phillies order struggling you could get by with Hader for another inning even if he was not perfect

[Brownie19]

Because mangers these days are robots, they don't deviate from the script, could have used hader for the heart of the order and with the bottom of the phillies order struggling you could get by with Hader for another inning even if he was not perfect

 

Managers certainly utilize statistics and advanced metrics more than they used to. Back in the day, decisions were made off what your gut told you (whatever the F that even means) and your eyes showed you. Call the former being a robot if you must, but that's really short sighted as I'm sure if you went back and re-watched games from 1995 with the proper stats in hand, you'd realize the accuracy of the eye/gut wasn't very good.

 

That all said, pitching Suarez in the 8th and saving Hader for the 9th isn't a 'robot' decision, but instead an old school way of doing things. Some believe pitchers perform better when they stick with their routine and the old school way of managing was to use your setup guy in the 8th and closer in the 9th, regardless of where you are in the order. It's only be recently that managers have been scraping the traditional roles and putting their best pitchers in at the most crucial times. This change is almost 100% based on the statistics they now have at their finger tips as it appears that back in the day, people's guts didn't tell them to do that (even though it seems like common sense).

 

The robot would likely have suggested you use your BEST reliever in the 8th through the heart of the order and take your chances in the 9th. I'm not sure what the SD Manager was basing those moves off, but I really doubt it was solely based on the numbers.

[Omar]

Managers certainly utilize statistics and advanced metrics more than they used to. Back in the day, decisions were made off what your gut told you (whatever the F that even means) and your eyes showed you. Call the former being a robot if you must, but that's really short sighted as I'm sure if you went back and re-watched games from 1995 with the proper stats in hand, you'd realize the accuracy of the eye/gut wasn't very good.

 

That all said, pitching Suarez in the 8th and saving Hader for the 9th isn't a 'robot' decision, but instead an old school way of doing things. Some believe pitchers perform better when they stick with their routine and the old school way of managing was to use your setup guy in the 8th and closer in the 9th, regardless of where you are in the order. It's only be recently that managers have been scraping the traditional roles and putting their best pitchers in at the most crucial times. This change is almost 100% based on the statistics they now have at their finger tips as it appears that back in the day, people's guts didn't tell them to do that (even though it seems like common sense).

 

The robot would likely have suggested you use your BEST reliever in the 8th through the heart of the order and take your chances in the 9th. I'm not sure what the SD Manager was basing those moves off, but I really doubt it was solely based on the numbers.

 

Hader was last used in game two. Completely rested. Melvin said he wanted Hader to get a four out save but he could have pushed it in a win or go home game and had Hader get six outs to finish the game. I'm sure he regrets it now.

[Brownie19]

Hader was last used in game two. Completely rested. Melvin said he wanted Hader to get a four out save but he could have pushed it in a win or go home game and had Hader get six outs to finish the game. I'm sure he regrets it now.

 

That was Melvin's response after the lost that last game? That's odd. Either way - my point was regarding 'robot managers'. I think the robot tells you to start that inning with Hader v. JT and Harper. The old school mentality is to leave your "set up man" pitch the 8th and your "closer" pitch the 9th, regardless of where you are in the lineup.

[BigCecil]

Hader was last used in game two. Completely rested. Melvin said he wanted Hader to get a four out save but he could have pushed it in a win or go home game and had Hader get six outs to finish the game. I'm sure he regrets it now.

 

Season on the line. Harper hot. Hader hot. It's a no brainer. It's akin to Showalter leaving Britton in the pen and Edwin walking off Jiminez.

[G-Snarls]

Harper will "never be as good as Acoona"

[Stangstag]

Harper will "never be as good as Acoona"

 

Will be interesting to see what Acuna looks like going forward. He took a massive step back this year, more than Vlad even. Assuming he’ll get stronger the further he is from that surgery, but its not a given

[Brownie19]

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69K likes, 470 comments - jomboymedia on October 25, 2022: "It’s amazing how much baseball means to this family ❤️".

 

That might convince me to cheer for the Phillies. How can you not be romantic about baseball?

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[John_Havok]

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69K likes, 470 comments - jomboymedia on October 25, 2022: "It’s amazing how much baseball means to this family ❤️".

 

That might convince me to cheer for the Phillies. How can you not be romantic about baseball?

 

Coincidences are fun for sure. I wonder how many old Padres fan dies exactly 1 year ago from the date of their elimination.

[Brownie19]

Coincidences are fun for sure. I wonder how many old Padres fan dies exactly 1 year ago from the date of their elimination.

 

Yeah fair - Phillies won in 2008, so it's not like this couple was waiting 50 years to see their favourite team win together. I still have a soft spot for an old fart like that who's grieving after the death of his wife.

 

This one is a bit more heartfelt. Son listens to Game 7 of the 2016 World Series at his fathers grave because they made a pact as longtime Cubs fans to be together when the Cubs won the World Series.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17963668/keeping-promise-man-listens-chicago-cubs-win-dad-gravesite

[John_Havok]

Yeah fair - Phillies won in 2008, so it's not like this couple was waiting 50 years to see their favourite team win together. I still have a soft spot for an old fart like that who's grieving after the death of his wife.

 

This one is a bit more heartfelt. Son listens to Game 7 of the 2016 World Series at his fathers grave because they made a pact as longtime Cubs fans to be together when the Cubs won the World Series.

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17963668/keeping-promise-man-listens-chicago-cubs-win-dad-gravesite

 

Yeah that second one is pretty cool. Good for him.

[G-Snarls]

MLB Netork:

 

"That Phillies bullpen used to be more dangerous than cigarettes"

[Stangstag]

MLB Netork:

 

"That Phillies bullpen used to be more dangerous than cigarettes"

 

Lol. Plesac??

[Spanky99]

Lol. Plesac??

 

Or Leiter... they're not wrong.

[philly30]

I am sure whoever said it will have to apologize to lung cancer victims for being insensitive. That is the world we live in.

[G-Snarls]

I am sure whoever said it will have to apologize to lung cancer victims for being insensitive. That is the world we live in.

 

They also surmised how pissed off Joe Girardi probly is for the improvement the BP made made over the season after he got canned.