Dante Bichette Jr. claims abuse on he and Bo Since he was 11 Years old?

[John_Havok]

Not arbitrary, consistent with numbers reported by gov't statisticians. There's not way to get an accurate number, anyway. Only a small percentage of physical abuse of kids is detected. The number can only be estimated. After the fact surveys of adults is likely most accurate, and yet very imprecise.

 

Show the government statistics please. You’re relying on them for your claim so let’s see them. Provide the link please.

 

Here’s mine and a relevant quote. Used US source

 

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childabuseandneglect/fastfact.html

 

“Child abuse and neglect are common. At least 1 in 7 children have experienced child abuse or neglect in the past year in the United States. This is likely an underestimate because many cases are unreported. In 2020, 1,750 children died of abuse and neglect in the United States”

 

So 1 in 7 is confirmed, article says it’s likely an underestimate due to unreported cases. So again, tell me how you arrived at 25% + or - ….

[Dagagad]

Bo is an extremely private guy from all accounts. Perhaps this issue has been resolved within the family. Either way we shouldn’t be airing it here based on assumptions.

 

It’s not really an assumption. It’s an account from the son. He aired it so it’s fine to talk about it.

[Jimcanuck]

Show the government statistics please. You’re relying on them for your claim so let’s see them. Provide the link please.

 

Here’s mine and a relevant quote. Used US source

 

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childabuseandneglect/fastfact.html

 

“Child abuse and neglect are common. At least 1 in 7 children have experienced child abuse or neglect in the past year in the United States. This is likely an underestimate because many cases are unreported. In 2020, 1,750 children died of abuse and neglect in the United States”

 

So 1 in 7 is confirmed, article says it’s likely an underestimate due to unreported cases. So again, tell me how you arrived at 25% + or - ….

 

Experiencing physical and/or sexual abuse at the hands of an adult before the age of 15 was reported by 30% of Canadians aged 15 and over. Physical abuse was the most common form of child maltreatment, reported by about one-quarter (26%) of Canadians. Meanwhile, childhood sexual abuse was reported by 8% of people in Canada aged 15 and over. A smaller proportion (5%) said that they had been subjected to both physical and sexual abuse during childhood.

 

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/170216/dq170216b-eng.htm

 

A study in Ontario found that 31 per cent of males and 21 per cent of females experienced physical abuse during childhood. https://www.redcross.ca/how-we-help/violence-bullying-and-abuse-prevention/educators/child-abuse-and-neglect-prevention/facts-on-child-abuse-and-neglect

 

This paper discusses the underreporting problem in detail - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195982/

 

19 percent were physically abused https://www.apa.org/monitor/2008/11/maltreatment

 

Your first post on the matter said 1 in 7, which is not what your source says "At least 1 in 7 children have experienced child abuse or neglect in the past year in the United States."

 

As I said the actual number is impossible to determine, but it is at least 15% and based on the information above, likely in the range of 20 to 30%.

 

Unfortunately, in the USA the stats all relate to reported cases of maltreatment, I can't find anything that estimates the unreported cases.

 

A good number of MLB players are from dominican, mexico, venezuela - the rate of physical abuse in those countries is estimated to be over 40%.

[John_Havok]

Experiencing physical and/or sexual abuse at the hands of an adult before the age of 15 was reported by 30% of Canadians aged 15 and over. Physical abuse was the most common form of child maltreatment, reported by about one-quarter (26%) of Canadians. Meanwhile, childhood sexual abuse was reported by 8% of people in Canada aged 15 and over. A smaller proportion (5%) said that they had been subjected to both physical and sexual abuse during childhood.

 

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/170216/dq170216b-eng.htm

 

A study in Ontario found that 31 per cent of males and 21 per cent of females experienced physical abuse during childhood. https://www.redcross.ca/how-we-help/violence-bullying-and-abuse-prevention/educators/child-abuse-and-neglect-prevention/facts-on-child-abuse-and-neglect

 

This paper discusses the underreporting problem in detail - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195982/

 

19 percent were physically abused https://www.apa.org/monitor/2008/11/maltreatment

 

Your first post on the matter said 1 in 7, which is not what your source says "At least 1 in 7 children have experienced child abuse or neglect in the past year in the United States."

 

As I said the actual number is impossible to determine, but it is at least 15% and based on the information above, likely in the range of 20 to 30%.

 

Unfortunately, in the USA the stats all relate to reported cases of maltreatment, I can't find anything that estimates the unreported cases.

 

A good number of MLB players are from dominican, mexico, venezuela - the rate of physical abuse in those countries is estimated to be over 40%.

 

Couple of your articles are from 2005, but at least you did the work.

[Grant77]

 

Discuss... real or no? Sad if true... ******* dads are a real thing...

 

Hopefully the media can respect Bo's privacy on this issue. It's not his job to respond to unsubstantiated claims that don't directly involve him.

[Omar]

It’s not really an assumption. It’s an account from the son. He aired it so it’s fine to talk about it.

 

I disagree.

[Dagagad]

I disagree.

 

Eh..

[L54]

Dante is no longer employed by the team and the claim is from the other son. This is a non story as far as I’m concerned and a personal family issue. None of our business.

[Omar]

It’s not really an assumption. It’s an account from the son. He aired it so it’s fine to talk about it.

 

I disagree.

[Dagagad]

I disagree.

 

Just update me if you change your mind. I’ll assume you still feel the same way on an ongoing basis.

[Jimcanuck]

Just update me if you change your mind. I’ll assume you still feel the same way on an ongoing basis.

 

It's a non-story, this type of s***, abhorrent as it is, is very common. The Bichette family will deal with it as they will.

[Dagagad]

It's a non-story, this type of s***, abhorrent as it is, is very common. The Bichette family will deal with it as they will.

 

I was kidding. He accidentally replied twice to the same comment.

 

I don’t know if it’s a non story. I mean, it’s a famous family and it’s scandalous in a sense. That’s all it takes to be a story.

 

I’d agree that it’s not super fair that Bo would have to answer questions on it and I understand if he doesn’t.

[vaff]

Poor vetting by the Jays to hire him in the first place.

 

Some 25% (varies +/- depending on definition) of MLB players would have been subject to physical abuse.

 

Poor vetting? Mark Shapiro’s father was Dante Bichette’s agent. I’m sure they know some of the stories about him.

Edited July 28, 2022 by vaff

[Jays24]

Probably an untalked part about all this is how this story might be effecting Bo's hitting. He has really struggled at the plate since moving to the 4 spot.

[Stangstag]

Probably an untalked part about all this is how this story might be effecting Bo's hitting. He has really struggled at the plate since moving to the 4 spot.

 

He’s been struggling all year aside from a good month of May.

[max silver]

He’s been struggling all year aside from a good month of May.

 

Bo has had a weird season. His batted ball metrics aren't really far off from previous seasons, he's not really chasing out of the strike zone more compared to previous years and is still using the whole field so that he's essentially shift proof. It just seems like something is a little bit off, whether it's something in his swing, timing a little off or approach based is hard to pinpoint.

 

Bo had a really strong 6 week stretch from April 30-June 16 where he was the team's second most valuable contributor. He managed a 137 WRC+ with good (for Bo at least) underlying peripherals. BB% was a solid 7.4%, k rate was under control at 20.6% as well. A big surprise is that he was swinging at 41.3% of pitches out of the strike zone during this hot streak. Since the hot streak ended until now he's actually improved his plate discipline a very significant amount as he's only swung at pitches out of the strike zone 35.9% of the time since then.

 

Bo was terrible prior to start the year and has been disappointing since mid June as well, but the talent is still there to be a very productive player. The greatly improved plate discipline numbers over the last few months shows Bo is at least improving his swing decisions as the season goes on. Hopefully he and the coaching staff can find the key to unlocking his offensive potential at some point before the playoffs as having Bo contributing to his talent level can be a real game changer for the team.

[John_Havok]

 

[max silver]

 

 

This backs up that Bo really isn't swinging at that many more pitches out of the zone save for a small uptick in swinging at pitches way out of the zone. The biggest change seems to be not doing any damage against pitches in the chase area and in the heart of the plate. This should be something that's fixable and indicates something is off with his timing/mechanics rather than being an approach based issue.

[Stangstag]

This backs up that Bo really isn't swinging at that many more pitches out of the zone save for a small uptick in swinging at pitches way out of the zone. The biggest change seems to be not doing any damage against pitches in the chase area and in the heart of the plate. This should be something that's fixable and indicates something is off with his timing/mechanics rather than being an approach based issue.

 

Funny because that seems to be the same problem Vladdy is having.

 

Bad game planning? Seems both are caught between deciding what pitch they’re looking for in an at bat

[Laika]

Funny because that seems to be the same problem Vladdy is having.

 

Bad game planning? Seems both are caught between deciding what pitch they’re looking for in an at bat

 

I was just going to say this

 

Same issue we Vlad

 

Some of it is probably the ball. Oppo flyballs are outs a lot more often this year vs 2021.

[Stangstag]

I was just going to say this

 

Same issue we Vlad

 

Some of it is probably the ball. Oppo flyballs are outs a lot more often this year vs 2021.

 

Yup that’s a factor that people have kinda stopped talking about… it was a huge problem in the beginning of the year

[Spanky99]

Yup that’s a factor that people have kinda stopped talking about… it was a huge problem in the beginning of the year

 

Nah, that cloud has never left, just look at the wRC+ league wide.