GDT: game 5/5 Tampa Bay Rays @ Toronto Blue Jays

[Stangstag]

The bullpen costed them the game today?

 

Likely yes? 4-1 would have been ok but 7-1 is pretty much out of reach

[Omar]

The problem isn’t that we have a rays manager. The problem is that we don’t have the rays front office.

 

Our front office is not even in the same f***ing universe of competence. Managers are irrelevant compared to the FO.

 

Atkins/Shapiro are better than anything we've had since Gillick/Beeston.

[Spanky99]

I think that’s a board meme, bro. Your dumb. Purposely said that way

 

Yer dumn...

[Dagagad]

Atkins/Shapiro are better than anything we've had since Gillick/Beeston.

 

And?

[gruber92]

I think that’s a board meme, bro. Your dumb. Purposely said that way

 

But you can Spanky it up further with "dumn'

[DigitalRock]

We don’t have better then Trent Thornton, reallly?

[Stangstag]

The problem isn’t that we have a rays manager. The problem is that we don’t have the rays front office.

 

Our front office is not even in the same f***ing universe of competence. Managers are irrelevant compared to the FO.

 

Just so you know, Yankees fans were claiming this same thing about their FO during the season last year when they were scuffling.

 

Just some perspective.

[Stangstag]

We don’t have better then Trent Thornton, reallly?

 

Tbh he had been good lately but he looks f***ing awful today

[jaysguy44]

Likely yes? 4-1 would have been ok but 7-1 is pretty much out of reach

Lol I would say we have had bigger issues than the pen today.

[gruber92]

Fair enough, that's to be expected by Goober92

 

Because typing on a phone is always accurate.

 

Yer dumn

[Stangstag]

Lol I would say we have had bigger issues than the pen today.

 

Fair, but I don’t think you can argue the pen didn’t cost us the other 3 games

[Spanky99]

Tbh he had been good lately but he looks f***ing awful today

 

Used too much.

[Stangstag]

Used too much.

 

True feels like he’s pitched 5-6 times this week

[Dagagad]

Just so you know, Yankees fans were claiming this same thing about their FO during the season last year when they were scuffling.

 

Just some perspective.

 

Yankee fans are delusional. They consistently put together good deep pitching staffs and bullpens almost every year.

 

We don’t even though we spend a lot of money and assets on the rotation at least and frankly have had decent injury luck.

 

I’d have the Yankees FO a step below the rays and us on a different level of stairs maybe a floor down. We don’t do pitching well and that’s the most important thing.

[Stangstag]

Yankee fans are delusional. They consistently put together good deep pitching staffs and bullpens almost every year.

 

We don’t even though we spend a lot of money and assets on the rotation at least and frankly have had decent injury luck.

 

I’d have the Yankees FO a step below the rays and us on a different level of stairs maybe a floor down. We don’t do pitching well and that’s the most important thing.

 

Alright well im just telling you, things can easily go good or bad year to year. The front office is solid, we’ve had some bad luck on the bullpen side of things. That could easily change on a dime with a couple trades OR if a couple guys figure things out

 

Team is still good, they’ll make the playoffs and we’ll see what happens from there

 

The sky is not falling

[travisinfla]

DFA Thornton

[Omar]

And?

 

...and they rebuilt this teams depleted farm system, built a state of the art facility in Dunedin (which is the envy of every team in mlb) and have built a team which will be perrennial contender for years to come.

[connorp]

Used too much.

 

Too bad pitchers can’t be like can openers, eh mate?

[Spanky99]

Yankee fans are delusional. They consistently put together good deep pitching staffs and bullpens almost every year.

 

We don’t even though we spend a lot of money and assets on the rotation at least and frankly have had decent injury luck.

 

I’d have the Yankees FO a step below the rays and us on a different level of stairs maybe a floor down. We don’t do pitching well and that’s the most important thing.

 

Bats aren't, we've done well in that regard, plenty of upside in our pitching in the minors?

[Spanky99]

Too bad pitchers can’t be like can openers, eh mate?

 

Retard^^^^

[Dagagad]

Alright well im just telling you, things can easily go good or bad year to year. The front office is solid, weÂ’ve had some bad luck on the bullpen side of things. That could easily change on a dime with a couple trades OR if a couple guys figure things out

 

Team is still good, theyÂ’ll make the playoffs and weÂ’ll see what happens from there

 

The sky is not falling

 

The skyÂ’s not falling. I just have bigger expectations than a 4/5 year window and then bad again. ThatÂ’s what happens when you arenÂ’t elite at pitching dev and bullpen construction and we are OBVIOUSLY not elite at either of those things.

[Stangstag]

The skyÂ’s not falling. I just have bigger expectations than a 4/5 year window and then bad again. ThatÂ’s what happens when you arenÂ’t elite at pitching dev and bullpen construction and we are OBVIOUSLY not elite at either of those things.

 

There’s no 4/5 year window dude, idk where that’s coming from

[Dagagad]

...and they rebuilt this teams depleted farm system, built a state of the art facility in Dunedin (which is the envy of every team in mlb) and have built a team which will be perrennial contender for years to come.

 

You can’t be a perennial contender for years to come (if you mean more than 4/5) if you have to trade for major leaguers or buy most of your pitching. It’s unsustainable almost regardless of budget.

[Dagagad]

There’s no 4/5 year window dude, idk where that’s coming from

 

5 is probably optimistic. You can’t constantly buy free agency pitching and trade for starters every year and have a good enough farm eventually. You run out and do a cubs. It’s just how it works.

[Daniel Labude]

...and they rebuilt this teams depleted farm system, built a state of the art facility in Dunedin (which is the envy of every team in mlb) and have built a team which will be perrennial contender for years to come.

 

Now time to focus on the pen

[Dagagad]

Bats aren't, we've done well in that regard, plenty of upside in our pitching in the minors?

 

True, we’ve done well on that side. But frankly hitting is less important for long term success. Cheap pitching = long term success.

[Stangstag]

5 is probably optimistic. You can’t constantly buy free agency pitching and trade for starters every year and have a good enough farm eventually. You run out and do a cubs. It’s just how it works.

 

Yeah exactly, so DONT do that. Make some mid moves for better pen arms like they did last year.

[Dagagad]

Yeah exactly, so DONT do that. Make some mid moves for better pen arms like they did last year.

 

Ok, but easier said than done. We’ll need at least one starter in free agency and we have nothing in triple A that could take one of those spots. We need to trade for depth starters. We already pay a lot for pitching and manoah is still on the min but not for long.

 

We have hitters coming off contracts in the next 2/3 years that will be tough to replace.

 

This all screams short window to me. If this was Houston in 2018 where they also put a ton of money into pitching but they also had super interesting guys in the high minors I’d believe differently.

[DigitalRock]

5 is probably optimistic. You can’t constantly buy free agency pitching and trade for starters every year and have a good enough farm eventually. You run out and do a cubs. It’s just how it works.

100 percent

[RobinThicc]

Team is so meh this year