GDT: Jays @ Brewers Game 2 of 3

[Spanky99]

Ughh... good fight. Win it tomorrow Birds!

[Dagagad]

Man, we aren’t getting a lot of luck in these types of games recently.

 

I will say, 4 runs against that pitching was pretty good. We are hitting.

[Omar]

Well we made it close, but Hader is Rembrandt up there.

[Solaxys]

Was a good fun fight! f*** you Kikuchi & Bo.

[JFD]

Trade Bo

[jaysguy44]

He's garbage, but it's funny how people are solely blaming Kikuchi for this one... He shouldn't have had to get 4 outs in that inning where they scored 3 runs.

[Solaxys]

He's garbage, but it's funny how people are solely blaming Kikuchi for this one... He shouldn't have had to get 4 outs in that inning where they scored 3 runs.

 

Kikuchi is awarded 2 ER (RBI single & Solo HR to Brousseau).

3 ER to Bo.

[Dagagad]

He's garbage, but it's funny how people are solely blaming Kikuchi for this one... He shouldn't have had to get 4 outs in that inning where they scored 3 runs.

 

Yea, obviously Bo isn’t choosing to make an error but Kikuchi is the last guy you can make an error on an easy throw.

[gruber92]

So theoretically speaking, we win today if Bo doesn't commit that error.

[gruber92]

Bo would only be worth a long term deal at second base. Might as well break it to him this off season Shatkins.

[xposbrad]

He's garbage, but it's funny how people are solely blaming Kikuchi for this one... He shouldn't have had to get 4 outs in that inning where they scored 3 runs.

 

Well in the offseason a lot of people for some reason liked the deal. The alternative, Matz, is having an even worse year.

[G-Snarls]

Damn we tried.

 

Had a chance against Burnes and Hader....

[M.E.]

Springer had his helmet on to hit for biggio

[Eat My Shatkins]

Kind of sick of Bo and his sub par defense, especially true when he's only bringing a barely above league average bat.

 

If Correa opts out of his contract next off season the Jays need to quit f***ing around go hard after him.

 

If Bo doesn't want to move off short then he can be a trade chip IMO.

[Dagagad]

Kind of sick of Bo and his sub par defense, especially true when he's only bringing a barely above league average bat.

 

If Correa opts out of his contract next off season the Jays need to quit f***ing around go hard after him.

 

If Bo doesn't want to move off short then he can be a trade chip IMO.

 

I think playing a position that he isn’t really good enough to play might be hurting him as well honestly.

 

I don’t know why we don’t just play Espinal there now at least a few times a week. Give him a few days at an easier position.

 

We don’t need to appease him and he’s not really the kind of player that you want to give an early extension to.

[John_Havok]

Kind of sick of Bo and his sub par defense, especially true when he's only bringing a barely above league average bat.

 

If Correa opts out of his contract next off season the Jays need to quit f***ing around go hard after him.

 

If Bo doesn't want to move off short then he can be a trade chip IMO.

 

Since when is Bo’s defense sub-par? It’s not elite sure, but he’s no ham fisted butcher. Yeah, he’s gonna sail a throw or two every once in a while, but he’s still a decent defensive SS. Also, he’ll probably be closer to his career 120 wrc+ by the end of the season than he is to league average with the bat. Horrendous April is behind him.

[Dokken]

Since when is Bo’s defense sub-par? It’s not elite sure, but he’s no ham fisted butcher. Yeah, he’s gonna sail a throw or two every once in a while, but he’s still a decent defensive SS. Also, he’ll probably be closer to his career 120 wrc+ by the end of the season than he is to league average with the bat. Horrendous April is behind him.

 

I am not sure how valid the Fangraphs overall defensive value number is but:

in 50044 PA worth of playing time, Xander Bogaerts has a total of +10.4

in 1342 PA worth of playing time, Bo Bichette has a total defensive value of +1.2.

 

I use Bogaerts as a comparison since he is generally regarded to be a mediocre defender at SS (especially being limited in range) and has been able to remain there due to his bat and his overall status as a vetrin presenz on the team.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Since when is Bo’s defense sub-par? It’s not elite sure, but he’s no ham fisted butcher. Yeah, he’s gonna sail a throw or two every once in a while, but he’s still a decent defensive SS. Also, he’ll probably be closer to his career 120 wrc+ by the end of the season than he is to league average with the bat. Horrendous April is behind him.

 

Yeah, sub par wasn't a good description, my bad.

 

Very mediocre is more appropriate I guess.

 

Leaves me wanting more, especially with his unspectacular offense this season.

[Daniel Labude]

Since when is Bo’s defense sub-par? It’s not elite sure, but he’s no ham fisted butcher. Yeah, he’s gonna sail a throw or two every once in a while, but he’s still a decent defensive SS. Also, he’ll probably be closer to his career 120 wrc+ by the end of the season than he is to league average with the bat. Horrendous April is behind him.

 

Bo and his T-Rex arms are sub par at SS

[Spanky99]

Bo and his T-Rex arms are sub par at SS

 

There he is, lol.

[Daniel Labude]

There he is, lol.

 

I mean his last 3 or 4 games aside from the last AB today have been extra bad. I mean the loss was directly on his short arm crappy throw and he almost blew it on a shovel to 2nd in the 9th yesterday. Like WTF, these are routine plays, not trying to make hard plays. Thats just crap defense

[Daniel Labude]

Objectively he isnt a good SS. Can he be....yes he can. Dude needs to focus out there i think

[Spanky99]

I mean his last 3 or 4 games aside from the last AB today have been extra bad. I mean the loss was directly on his short arm crappy throw and he almost blew it on a shovel to 2nd in the 9th yesterday. Like WTF, these are routine plays, not trying to make hard plays. Thats just crap defense

 

Lets just take the GS out while we're at it. He didn't short arm the throw, he got cocky and tried to show off/pimp his arm, there's a difference...

[Daniel Labude]

Lets just take the GS out while we're at it.

 

Yeah that one too lol. Maybe I'm thinking early in the week. Been pretty sick

[JFD]

Is this good?????

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=18,d

[Dokken]

Is this good??

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=ss&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2022&month=0&season1=2022&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2022-01-01&enddate=2022-12-31&sort=18,d

 

All star quality?

 

That's a pretty brutal, but when they have Bogaerts (who I referred to in my previous post as being historically mediocre) in 3rd place, one wonders about the validity of this ranking....... One thing you have to give Bogey is that he is sure-handed like a Cal Ripken and unlike Bichette.

[Spanky99]

That's a pretty brutal, but when they have Bogaerts (who I referred to in my previous post as being historically mediocre) in 3rd place, one wonders about the validity of this ranking....... One thing you have to give Bogey is that he is sure-handed like a Cal Ripken and unlike Bichette.

 

The defensive analytics we plebs get is skeptical at best. I don't like them one iota, especially after seeing their numbers on Alomar.

[Dagagad]

I’d say eye test and analytically he’s not great at short stop.

 

The question is does he have the potential to be average there (it would be valuable to have his bat at short stop over the length of his contract) and can we afford to wait?

 

There just anything to say he is even average there right now imo.

[Stangstag]

Didn’t watch today, but looked like a good fight they put up. Kikuchi put them in a hole early and Bo did not help him at all. I see Thornton and Castillo both pitched well, good for them.

 

Offense managed to score 4 runs against the best pitching the Brewers have, and some of the best arms in the league. Not bad.

 

Sucks to lose by 1 yet again but I guess this is the scale balancing after all those wins early in the year.

[Stangstag]

I think playing a position that he isn’t really good enough to play might be hurting him as well honestly.

 

I don’t know why we don’t just play Espinal there now at least a few times a week. Give him a few days at an easier position.

 

We don’t need to appease him and he’s not really the kind of player that you want to give an early extension to.

 

Can’t just move Bo to 2nd base mid-season and expect him to play any better. He’ll need practice there. It has to be an offseason decision.

 

We saw what happens with guy playing out of position on short notice, Vlad with 1B and Biggio with 3B.

 

Good chance Bo is a disaster at 2B if you just plop him there.