GDT: 1/4 Toronto Blue Jays host Boston Red Sox

[connorp]

I think there’s been such a heavy bias against the concept of pitcher wins that even this nice chance isn’t enough to appease those people (you people) lol

[Stangstag]

Tonight is just a bad example. There’s times when a pitcher gets key outs in the 6-8 inning range and deserves the W for their part. So I think the new way of scoring is more important than routine saves and holds actually. The old way was what was dumb. Just awarding a pitcher for the point they came in

 

There just needs to be a new stat created/highlighted that shows “inherited runs scored”.

 

Because sure Cimber got the W, and technically he had 0 ER and only 1 hit given up. But he actually allowed both runners on base to score.

 

His box score line looks very clean but he actually didn’t do that great of a job. And that’s the issue with pitcher wins.

 

Win shoud go to Berrios IMO but I know that’s not how the stat works.

[John_Havok]

There just needs to be a new stat created/highlighted that shows “inherited runs scored”.

 

Because sure Cimber got the W, and technically he had 0 ER and only 1 hit given up. But he actually allowed both runners on base to score.

 

His box score line looks very clean but he actually didn’t do that great of a job. And that’s the issue with pitcher wins.

 

 

Win shoud go to Berrios IMO but I know that’s not how the stat works.

 

The sooner baseball moves away from awarding the W to a pitcher the better. Half of the criteria for getting a W by a pitcher they aren’t even on the field for and have nothing to do with.

[Stangstag]

And what’s even worse, is that if Cimber had actually got 3 Ks and allowed no runs to score, Berrios would have gotten the win.

 

How does that even make any sense??

[max silver]

Awesome win for the boys, good to see they were able to battle against Eovaldi who was really dealing. Hopefully the big slam can help get Bo's bat out of the doldrums, I think the biggest thing that's been missing from the offence is a contributing Bo Bichette. If he can get going the lineup suddenly starts to look far more dangerous.

 

I just don't see why Romano was up in the pen in this game, he's already pitched so many damn games this season as is. With a 4 run lead and a 10 man bullpen or whatever the hell the actual number is there has to be some other combination of pitchers available that can get 3 outs every once in a while.

[connorp]

And what’s even worse, is that if Cimber had actually got 3 Ks and allowed no runs to score, Berrios would have gotten the win.

 

How does that even make any sense??

 

I don’t think you can play with starter wins. You guys hate it of course, and what you say makes sense, but the numbers are part of history and it’d erase all the past if you start giving guys like Berrios a win in that situation. But you can change the stat like they’ve done and award it to the most deserving guy after the starter

 

No stat is really perfect. FIP as a stat you can say is kid of dumb. Maybe as a predictive tool it’s good but honestly who wants to judge a pitchers game but what their FIP was that day. There’s a line between trying to use advanced stats to predict future performance and appreciating what happens on the field

[Stangstag]

I don’t think you can play with starter wins. You guys hate it of course, and what you say makes sense, but the numbers are part of history and it’d erase all the past if you start giving guys like Berrios a win in that situation. But you can change the stat like they’ve done and award it to the most deserving guy after the starter

 

No stat is really perfect. FIP as a stat you can say is kid of dumb. Maybe as a predictive tool it’s good but honestly who wants to judge a pitchers game but what their FIP was that day. There’s a line between trying to use advanced stats to predict future performance and appreciating what happens on the field

 

I just don’t see Cimber as the most deserving guy. Why NOT the starter? Why do we have a stupid stipulation that the game can’t be tied when the starter comes out for him to get the win? What the hell did Cimber or Merryweather do to deserve a win over what Berrios did?

 

Absof***inglutely nothing. W/L for pitchers isn’t just “not perfect”, its a dumb f***ing stat that means next to nothing.

[Deadpool]

I just don't see why Romano was up in the pen in this game, he's already pitched so many damn games this season as is. With a 4 run lead and a 10 man bullpen or whatever the hell the actual number is there has to be some other combination of pitchers available that can get 3 outs every once in a while.

 

Romano wasn't throwing pitches, he was just pacing around, which he ALWAYS does in games where there's a chance he might be used. Merryweather was the only one the broadcast actually showed throwing pitches (the broadcast team thought it was Romano at first, but they never actually showed Romano warming up).

[John_Havok]

 

About as good as it gets

[Laika]

Dan Bellino the GOAT

[Stangstag]

Romano wasn't throwing pitches, he was just pacing around, which he ALWAYS does in games where there's a chance he might be used. Merryweather was the only one the broadcast actually showed throwing pitches (the broadcast team thought it was Romano at first, but they never actually showed Romano warming up).

 

Im pretty sure I saw Romano warming up/throwing pitches in the pen when the score was 2-2

[glory]

Im pretty sure I saw Romano warming up/throwing pitches in the pen when the score was 2-2

 

Romano was definitely shown in the bullpen when the score was 2-2 (he was standing in the pen by himself watching the game), and Shulman said he'd be coming in if the Jays took the lead, but I don't think they showed him actually throwing. So I guess it's possible he was just standing there and Merryweather was going to come in regardless, but it certainly sounded like and appeared that he was going to come in based on the broadcast. Either way I'm glad it wasn't a save situation and they didn't have to use him. The Jays need more of these types of games/wins.

[Deadpool]

Romano was definitely shown in the bullpen when the score was 2-2 (he was standing in the pen by himself watching the game), and Shulman said he'd be coming in if the Jays took the lead, but I don't think they showed him actually throwing. So I guess it's possible he was just standing there and Merryweather was going to come in regardless, but it certainly sounded like and appeared that he was going to come in based on the broadcast. Either way I'm glad it wasn't a save situation and they didn't have to use him. The Jays need more of these types of games/wins.

 

He probably would have come in if 1 or 2 runs scored, but Romano is ALWAYS pacing around the pen starting around the 7th inning.

[Laika]

Jordan Romano is a psycho

[Krylian]

Jordan Romano is a psycho

 

I want my closer to be a psycho.

[Krylian]

 

About as good as it gets

 

I'd be curious to see what players get the most calls and which get f***ed over the most. I couldn't find that level of detail...

[John_Havok]

I'd be curious to see what players get the most calls and which get f***ed over the most. I couldn't find that level of detail...

 

Yeah they dont have that level of detail on their site. they definitely have the raw data though

[Stangstag]

He probably would have come in if 1 or 2 runs scored, but Romano is ALWAYS pacing around the pen starting around the 7th inning.

 

Yeah you’re right, I went back to watch and he was standing on the mound with his glove but wasn’t actually throwing pitches. Then when Bo hit the slam Merryweather started warming up

[Spanky99]

GO JAYS GO!!! F U BO hAtErZ!!!

[Spanky99]

Great win Jays!!! Bo's first grand salami!

 

 

Do it up, bro!