GDT 3/3 | Blue Jays (5-4) vs. Athletics (5-4) | April 17 — 1:37 PM

[Stangstag]

 

He’s going for cancer treatments, today was his last game for a while

[Omar]

Well we took 2 of 3 from the umpires. Off to the shithole in beantown.

[philly30]

Well we took 2 of 3 from the umpires. Off to the shithole in beantown.

 

Can't be worse than the old Yankee stadium, a dump located in a horrible neighborhood

[EnglishJay]

I did not enjoy that series!

 

Feels like we aren't playing anywhere near our best but are getting some results. That's a good sign, no?

[G-Snarls]

Well we took 2 of 3 from the umpires. Off to the shithole in beantown.

 

Really want to take 2/3 there

 

Going to look up the probable pitching matchups

[G-Snarls]

I did not enjoy that series!

 

Feels like we aren't playing anywhere near our best but are getting some results. That's a good sign, no?

 

Yes

 

Playing 600 baseball while not firing on even half the available cylinders is a decent stretch

[Spanky99]

I did not enjoy that series!

 

Feels like we aren't playing anywhere near our best but are getting some results. That's a good sign, no?

 

Yes, our pythagorean record would be 5-5, so we've stolen a Win thus far. Jays are much better than this.

[TwistedLogic]

[Jimcanuck]

ITT I learned TL likes big booties

[Jaysareus]

Baseball is still frustrating when umpires are giving incorrect ball and strike calls. I saw many today

[Krylian]

ITT I learned TL likes big booties

 

He cannot lie

[Krylian]

Baseball is still frustrating when umpires are giving incorrect ball and strike calls. I saw many today

 

It really does make it less enjoyable when umps take results out of the players hands and place it in their own. Pitchers should have to earn their strikes. I wish MLB would realize it's a big problem.

[DigitalRock]

It really does make it less enjoyable when umps take results out of the players hands and place it in their own. Pitchers should have to earn their strikes. I wish MLB would realize it's a big problem.

 

It's a worse product,it's mind blowing the league has not addressed this yet.

[John_Havok]

Can't be worse than the old Yankee stadium, a dump located in a horrible neighborhood

 

It is. Easily the biggest shithole in the league if not for Oaklands tire fire of a stadium

[Spanky99]

It really does make it less enjoyable when umps take results out of the players hands and place it in their own. Pitchers should have to earn their strikes. I wish MLB would realize it's a big problem.

 

It's a worse product,it's mind blowing the league has not addressed this yet.

 

They do realize though, hence the robo-umps, it's coming. Just not soon enough, PA voted against it. Hah!

[Krylian]

They do realize though, hence the robo-umps, it's coming. Just not soon enough, PA voted against it. Hah!

 

I don't understand what the PA has to do with it though.

[Spanky99]

I don't understand what the PA has to do with it though.

 

Neither do I, I believe it was used as a tool for leverage in the CBA, that's my best guess.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[connorp]

PA has to agree to it

[Spanky99]

PA has to agree to it

 

No they don't, it can be done unilaterally 45 days into next season by the MLB.

[connorp]

No they don't, it can be done unilaterally 45 days into next season by the MLB.

 

Ah. You get to correct me for a change. How about that

[Spanky99]

Ah. You get to correct me for a change. How about that

 

Always connor, always.

[max silver]

No they don't, it can be done unilaterally 45 days into next season by the MLB.

 

I don't think that applies to the electronic strike zone, as far as I can tell the 45 day notice for rule changes applies to bigger bases, pitch clocks and a ban against the shift.

[Spanky99]

I don't think that applies to the electronic strike zone, as far as I can tell the 45 day notice for rule changes applies to bigger bases, pitch clocks and a ban against the shift.

 

Really... that's dumn, so when can it be imposed? Never, lol... doesn't make sense.

[TwistedLogic]

as far as I can tell

 

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https://dodgerblue.com/mlb-lockout-rumors-players-association-rejected-automated-strike-zone-robot-umpires/2022/03/08/

 

While the financial side of the deal remains the largest hurdle to clear, the two sides also have potential rule changes to work out. They have already agreed to the universal designated hitter and a Draft lottery, while an expanded postseason looks likely.

 

MLB also asked the players to agree to a pitch clock, larger bases, restricting shifts and an automated strike zone. Pending other matters getting resolved, the union is said to be open to some of those changes for 2023.

 

However, the robotic strike zone was not among that, according to Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

 

The players agreed to it in three areas that MLB wanted — the pitch clock, larger bases, and restrictions on the defensive shift — but not for the implementation of an automated strike zone, which MLB also sought.

 

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https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-cba

 

As part of the agreement, a Joint Competition Committee will be formed comprised of four active players, six members appointed by MLB and one umpire. Beginning in 2023, the committee will be tasked with adopting changes to playing rules such as a pitch clock, base size, defensive positioning and automatic ball/strike zone.

 

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[Spanky99]

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https://dodgerblue.com/mlb-lockout-rumors-players-association-rejected-automated-strike-zone-robot-umpires/2022/03/08/

 

While the financial side of the deal remains the largest hurdle to clear, the two sides also have potential rule changes to work out. They have already agreed to the universal designated hitter and a Draft lottery, while an expanded postseason looks likely.

 

MLB also asked the players to agree to a pitch clock, larger bases, restricting shifts and an automated strike zone. Pending other matters getting resolved, the union is said to be open to some of those changes for 2023.

 

However, the robotic strike zone was not among that, according to Evan Drellich of The Athletic.

 

The players agreed to it in three areas that MLB wanted — the pitch clock, larger bases, and restrictions on the defensive shift — but not for the implementation of an automated strike zone, which MLB also sought.

 

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https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-agree-to-cba

 

As part of the agreement, a Joint Competition Committee will be formed comprised of four active players, six members appointed by MLB and one umpire. Beginning in 2023, the committee will be tasked with adopting changes to playing rules such as a pitch clock, base size, defensive positioning and automatic ball/strike zone.

 

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Are you Superman?

 

Thanks, I was right, well, sort of.

[TwistedLogic]

Really... that's dumn, so when can it be imposed? Never, lol... doesn't make sense.

 

Don't worry, he's wrong.

 

- Rule changes include ABS (automatic balls/strikes).

 

- MLB previously had the ability to unilaterally implement rule changes with 1-year notice.

 

- In the new CBA, MLB won 45-day unilateral implementation, with two caveats: MLB agreed not to use the 45-day notice power to implement rule changes in-season. So we'll know prior to spring training next year if ABS, pitch clocks, bigger bases and shift bans are coming. They also agreed to form a committee to discuss rule changes as an act of good faith to hear the players' side.

 

- While the committee is useful to have active discussions between the owners, players and umpires, MLB holds all the power with a six-seat majority on the board. So, for all intents and purposes, they have the ability to implement any rule change they want without needing the players or umpires to agree. (Even if the players and umpires' representatives are united, they only have a total of five votes.)

 

It just comes down to how MLB wants to approach it and whether Manfraud is serious in all his recent statements about building a better relationship with the players. A 6-5 vote where the MLB throws its weight around would not be good optics in that regard. With that in mind, it's entirely possible that there's a scenario next year where the players declare that they are vehemently against ABS and MLB takes that into consideration enough not to vote it through anyway. But whether the players agree now or MLB gets bored of waiting on them and pushes it through themselves at some point, it's coming eventually

[Spanky99]

Don't worry, he's wrong.

 

- Rule changes include ABS (automatic balls/strikes).

 

- MLB previously had the ability to unilaterally implement rule changes with 1-year notice.

 

- In the new CBA, MLB won 45-day unilateral implementation, with two caveats: MLB agreed not to use the 45-day notice power to implement rule changes in-season. So we'll know prior to spring training next year if ABS, pitch clocks, bigger bases and shift bans are coming. They also agreed to form a committee to discuss rule changes as an act of good faith to hear the players' side.

 

- While the committee is useful to have active discussions between the owners, players and umpires, MLB holds all the power with a six-seat majority on the board. So, for all intents and purposes, they have the ability to implement any rule change they want without needing the players or umpires to agree. (Even if the players and umpires' representatives are united, they only have a total of five votes.)

 

It just comes down to how MLB wants to approach it and whether Manfraud is serious in all his recent statements about building a better relationship with the players. A 6-5 vote where the MLB throws its weight around would not be good optics in that regard. With that in mind, it's entirely possible that there's a scenario next year where the players declare that they are vehemently against ABS and MLB takes that into consideration enough not to vote it through anyway. But whether the players agree now or MLB gets bored of waiting on them and pushes it through themselves at some point, it's coming eventually

 

I knew I read that Feinsand article before, along with these rules...

 

• Top prospects who finish 1st or 2nd in the Rookie of the Year voting will receive a full year of service.

 

• Clubs promoting top prospects to Opening Day rosters will be eligible to receive Draft picks if the player finishes in the Top 3 in the Rookie of the Year voting or Top 5 in MVP/Cy Young voting.

 

• Players may only be optioned five times per season.

 

• In exchange for agreeing to an International Draft by July 25, 2022, MLB will eliminate the qualifying offer system (direct Draft-pick compensation) for free agents.

 

But I totally forgot about this...

 

Pre-arbitration bonus pool

 

• $50 million (to be distributed to the top 100 players based on awards and statistical performance).

 

• MLB and the MLBPA will jointly develop a statistical method to allocate the funds.

 

Especially this one...

 

• Under this system, NL Cy Young Award winner Corbin Burnes would have seen his salary jump from $608,000 to $4.2 million last season, while Rookie of the Year winners Randy Arozarena and Jonathan India would have seen their respective salaries more than triple in 2021.

 

They honestly did a great job in this CBA coming together in the final hours, I believe. Lots of good stuff in that article, I bookmarked it this time, thanks again, TL.

[DigitalRock]

They do realize though, hence the robo-umps, it's coming. Just not soon enough, PA voted against it. Hah!

 

It blows my mind they voted against it.

[M.E.]

Well we took 2 of 3 from the umpires. Off to the shithole in beantown.

Have you ever been to Fenway? I really enjoy going there. Great experience. Yes it is old, but that is the point and one of my top 5 baseball stadium experiences.

[Spanky99]

It blows my mind they voted against it.

 

Bargaining tool in the CBA negotiations I believe, it's coming.