General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[jaysblue]

Disappointment is a major part of living in Baltimore. It's ingrained and expected.

 

I wonder why Baltimore is the way it is after all these years? Hmmmm...

[Ehjays]

[John_Havok]

 

Even more reason the Jays should be able to increase payroll as needed in the next few years. They're pulling in money for Rogers hand over fist via all the advertising increases. It's separate in the books, but they all know where it's coming from.

[Stangstag]

https://streamable.com/vwyd98

 

I definitely feel this

[Solaxys]

 

 

This f***er's hero ball BS, jesus christ.

[Omar]

This f***er's hero ball BS, jesus christ.

 

I posted these in the gdt and then deleted when I saw you beat me to it. Heartbreaking when it's broken down like that.

[Solaxys]

I posted these in the gdt and then deleted when I saw you beat me to it. Heartbreaking when it's broken down like that.

 

Like even if it drops, would be 1 run or 2 runs at best. Springer would throw it back in. We would still be taking the lead into the 9th.

 

He does this all the time - there's just no oversight. I really hope someone coaches him for next year to stop trying to save the world.

[BlueJays]

I f***ing knew it Springer got a chance to get that ball if "BO f***ING BICHETTE" didn't try to be a hero on that play.

[Dagagad]

That is such an inbetweener in a loud stadium. I don’t know if i can blame either of them that much. More bad luck than bad play.

[Stangstag]

Mike Wilner on the radio:

 

“I think the most pressing need is a couple more bats, they need more guys with an ops of at least .800”

 

Unreal lol. How does this guy still work in sports.

[connorp]

Mike Wilner on the radio:

 

“I think the most pressing need is a couple more bats, they need more guys with an ops of at least .800”

 

Unreal lol. How does this guy still work in sports.

 

Cobra Kai bro.

[Stangstag]

Mike Wilner on the radio:

 

“I think the most pressing need is a couple more bats, they need more guys with an ops of at least .800”

 

Unreal lol. How does this guy still work in sports.

 

Actually it was Arash lol. Of course it was f***ing Arash

[John_Havok]

Mike Wilner on the radio:

 

“I think the most pressing need is a couple more bats, they need more guys with an ops of at least .800”

 

Unreal lol. How does this guy still work in sports.

 

The most clear need on the pitching side is swing and miss in the pen. The most glaring need for position players is addition by subtraction with improved defense in mind. The offense can take a hit and still be top 5 in the league next season.

 

There’s lots of dead weight to be cut, some pieces to be moved and bigger fish to bring in.

[Ehjays]

[Solaxys]

Berrios one of the finalists for gold glove!

[John_Havok]

Berrios one of the finalists for gold glove!

 

Sweet. Making that massive extension looking better by the minute!

 

Vlad nominated at 1b also.

[Solaxys]

lol that list for 1B, I am sure Vlad takes it.

[Brownie19]

This f***er's hero ball BS, jesus christ.

 

I just saw this. This is a bad take. The SS goes after the ball until he's called off by the CFer. If Springer truly could get to that ball, then theoretically, he should have called it, which would be Bo's trigger to peal off. Of course that sounds great, except Springer had to give absolutely everything he could to try and get there and thus it's near impossible to call it. He also can't call it until he knows he can get there and I'm not sure that's something he would have known until the last second.

 

If the stats showed that Bo was the only one would could have gotten to that ball - but he 'let up' assuming Springer had a better chance (even though he never called it) then people would have ripped Bo - including me, as that's not how you play the position.

 

The reality was it was in no-mans land and because it was so important, neither player wanted to give up on the ball and that resulted in a collision. It was very unfortunate, but nobody did anything wrong IMO. If anything, one might argue that Springer ought to have pulled up, played the ball in front of him and held the tying run at 3rd base - preserving a 1 run lead (while avoiding injury). It's interesting that almost nobody ever suggests that - most just blame Bo on a play where he didn't do anything wrong, presumably either because they don't like Bo, or because they don't understand how these 2 positions should be played.

[Ehjays]

Not sure how much truth there is to this I guess we will see, I cant remember the Jays giving a 3 year deal to a manager. I always thought the did 1 + an option.

 

 

 

 

https://www.baseballrumors.me/2022/10/exclusive-blue-jays-to-sign-manager-to.html?fbclid=IwAR1eNF_E63xvAwrqRIPCeKL_5zLKdFOTlc8KyA2-WY6oJMRWt5OplaO189M

 

EXCLUSIVE: Blue Jays To Sign Manager To 3-Year Deal

 

News on the Toronto Blue Jays' managerial front, as our colleague Shane Seney of BaseballRumors.me is reporting that Toronto will be removing the "interim" tag and re-signing John Schneider to a three-year deal to stay on as manager.

The Blue Jays didn't last very long in the postseason in 2022, but after struggling to stay above water for the first half of the regular season, Schneider took over from the deposed Charlie Montoyo and led the team to an impressive 46-28 record as interim manager to secure the top Wild Card spot in the American League. That's a 101-win pace over a full season.

[Solaxys]

I just saw this. This is a bad take. The SS goes after the ball until he's called off by the CFer. If Springer truly could get to that ball, then theoretically, he should have called it, which would be Bo's trigger to peal off. Of course that sounds great, except Springer had to give absolutely everything he could to try and get there and thus it's near impossible to call it. He also can't call it until he knows he can get there and I'm not sure that's something he would have known until the last second.

 

If the stats showed that Bo was the only one would could have gotten to that ball - but he 'let up' assuming Springer had a better chance (even though he never called it) then people would have ripped Bo - including me, as that's not how you play the position.

 

The reality was it was in no-mans land and because it was so important, neither player wanted to give up on the ball and that resulted in a collision. It was very unfortunate, but nobody did anything wrong IMO. If anything, one might argue that Springer ought to have pulled up, played the ball in front of him and held the tying run at 3rd base - preserving a 1 run lead (while avoiding injury). It's interesting that almost nobody ever suggests that - most just blame Bo on a play where he didn't do anything wrong, presumably either because they don't like Bo, or because they don't understand how these 2 positions should be played.

 

1. That's because data was crunched (Statcst) and Springer covered the ground needed to cover (he covered 84 feet when he needed to cover 82 feet or something to that effect) and had a 75% chance to catch the ball (because, supposedly, the ball had a spin which was taking it to LF ergo the weird trajectory by both Bo and George). If Bo had 80% chance to make the catch and Springer had 75% catch, it is still common sense to give it to the CF. If Bo had 100% chance to make the catch, then he let up, then fine maybe we rip him for it. But there was no way running backward into shallow CF on a low pop fly gives more % chance to a SS than to a CF assuming both can get to it.

 

2. George was also calling for it, you can visibly see it in the replays. I doubt Bo heard it however considering the arena and the noise level. George also saw Bo wasn't stopping and veered away in a defensive slide almost.

 

3. This wasn't his first time doing this this year, and most times everyone else makes concessions for him whether he makes the play our not. The OF run against Teo/Springer in an earlier game (NY series I think?), the running to 1B to make a pop out when it was in Vlad's territory and then getting annoyed with Vlad for making the play, and there was another collision with someone earlier in the season where he ran into LF to make a play.

 

I don't hate Bo, he's one of the more consistent players offensively year-to-year and has good first moves + range towards balls in play to SS (his drawback being his his arm) but you can easily see the difference in going for those plays v. not by watching the ATL/Phillies match where Swanson does make a play that Bo wanted to make in no-man's land (whoever was playing CF had no shot to get to it) or the SEA/HOU match where Crawford gives up on a ball that is going to no-man's land because JRod was running right at it and that he'd make it (similar drop point to where Bo/Springer collision happened, maybe a bit closer to the infield but Crawford broke to it and then stopped realizing he might or might not make the play, but CF had a better shot at it due to the angle).

 

Its a fine attitude to have, in general, to be the dude that carries the team and all that but not at the cost of potentially losing games and/or injuring players. The game loss wasn't on him, either way. That was a bloop. You roll with it.

[Brownie19]

1. That's because data was crunched (Statcst) and Springer covered the ground needed to cover (he covered 84 feet when he needed to cover 82 feet or something to that effect) and had a 75% chance to catch the ball (because, supposedly, the ball had a spin which was taking it to LF ergo the weird trajectory by both Bo and George). If Bo had 80% chance to make the catch and Springer had 75% catch, it is still common sense to give it to the CF. If Bo had 100% chance to make the catch, then he let up, then fine maybe we rip him for it. But there was no way running backward into shallow CF on a low pop fly gives more % chance to a SS than to a CF assuming both can get to it.

 

2. George was also calling for it, you can visibly see it in the replays. I doubt Bo heard it however considering the arena and the noise level. George also saw Bo wasn't stopping and veered away in a defensive slide almost.

 

3. This wasn't his first time doing this this year, and most times everyone else makes concessions for him whether he makes the play our not. The OF run against Teo/Springer in an earlier game (NY series I think?), the running to 1B to make a pop out when it was in Vlad's territory and then getting annoyed with Vlad for making the play, and there was another collision with someone earlier in the season where he ran into LF to make a play.

 

I don't hate Bo, he's one of the more consistent players offensively year-to-year and has good first moves + range towards balls in play to SS (his drawback being his his arm) but you can easily see the difference in going for those plays v. not by watching the ATL/Phillies match where Swanson does make a play that Bo wanted to make in no-man's land (whoever was playing CF had no shot to get to it) or the SEA/HOU match where Crawford gives up on a ball that is going to no-man's land because JRod was running right at it and that he'd make it (similar drop point to where Bo/Springer collision happened, maybe a bit closer to the infield but Crawford broke to it and then stopped realizing he might or might not make the play, but CF had a better shot at it due to the angle).

 

Its a fine attitude to have, in general, to be the dude that carries the team and all that but not at the cost of potentially losing games and/or injuring players. The game loss wasn't on him, either way. That was a bloop. You roll with it.

 

I can buy most of this. Good rebuttal.

[Stangstag]

Just saw that Gurriel had a wrist surgery for something that was bothering him all year?? Could explain his drop in power numbers this year

[Ehjays]

Just saw that Gurriel had a wrist surgery for something that was bothering him all year?? Could explain his drop in power numbers this year

 

It doesnt say when he injured it, but should be good to go for spring.

 

Lourdes Gurriel Undergoes Wrist Surgery, Expected To Be Ready For Spring Training

By Nick Deeds | October 20, 2022 at 5:46pm CDT

 

Per Kaitlyn McGrath of The Athletic, Blue Jays outfielder Lourdes Gurriel Jr. underwent surgery on his left wrist today. He’s expected to be ready for Spring Training.

 

Gurriel spent 2022 as Toronto’s primary left fielder, slashing .291/.343/.400 (114 wRC+) in 121 games this season. With just 5 home runs in 2022, Gurriel saw his power evaporate this season. Gurriel had hit at least 11 home runs in every season of his career prior to this year, with 21 homers in 2021 being the most he had hit in a season, and his second time eclipsing 20 home runs in a season. The news that he had been dealing with a wrist issue this season may provide an explanation for this power outage.

 

While his power dipped in 2022, Gurriel’s season wasn’t a total loss. He still posted the 51st lowest strikeout rate in the majors among hitters with at least 400 plate appearances along with the best wRC+ in a full season of his career, though he fared better during the shortened 2020 season (134 wRC+) as well as during his 84 games played in 2019 (125 wRC+).

 

Headed into the offseason, Gurriel’s hold on the everyday left field job in Toronto already seemed tenuous, with the outfield being a clear place where the Blue Jays could improve their offense going into 2023. With Gurriel expected to be ready for spring training, there’s little reason to think the surgery changes the front office’s calculus, but it’s still likely that Toronto looks for upgrades at the outfield corners this offseason, with the likes of David Peralta, Joc Pederson, and Mitch Haniger among potential options.

 

Regardless of any potential additions to Toronto’s outfield, Gurriel will earn $5.4MM for his age 29 season in 2023, the final year of his seven year, $22MM contract with the Blue Jays. Following the end of that contract, Gurriel will be arbitration eligible headed into the 2024 season before potentially hitting free agency for the first time during the 2024-25 offseason.

[Ehjays]

Berrios one of the finalists for gold glove!

 

 

I see Merrifield is in there as well for Utility. LOL I find it funny they give the DH a GG.

[Brownie19]

I see Merrifield is in there as well for Utility. LOL I find it funny they give the DH a GG.

 

ummmm - utility player doesn't equal DH

 

Juan Soto being nominated is hilarious and shows you just how stupid the GG award is. He's statistically one of the worst defensive OFers in baseball.

 

Chapman

Merrifield

JBJ

Vlad

Berrios

 

Lots of Jays nominated for what unfortunately is a pretty stupid award.

[43211234]

Just saw that Gurriel had a wrist surgery for something that was bothering him all year?? Could explain his drop in power numbers this year

 

I wonder when the Springer elbow surgery will get announced?

[Spanky99]

I wonder when the Springer elbow surgery will get announced?

 

Already was, no? Loose body bone spur

[Laika]

Already was, no? Loose body bone spur

 

when, where?

[John_Havok]

when, where?

 

Atkins confirmed the bone spur it to the Toronto Star on Oct 11, but surgery isn’t a definite thing yet…though that’s pretty much the only way to get rid of it.

 

 

 

The 33-year-old veteran had been playing through an undisclosed right elbow injury throughout the second half of the season. Atkins revealed Tuesday it was a bone spur.

 

Springer is scheduled to have the elbow examined by a specialist once he has been cleared for travel.(had the concussion at the time so wouldn’t have been able to fly)

 

“We don’t know,” Atkins said when asked if Springer would require surgery. “His elbow is feeling much better, so we’ll see once he gets in there, but I don’t expect that to impact him … If anything, I think just getting rid of that spur will only impact him positively and his ability to play centre field.”

[Olerud363]

Already was, no? Loose body bone spur

 

No surgery announced, I believe they said they will wait and see for another few weeks. He played fine offensively after he came back from hit 10 day rest so it looks like this is something that can be managed, though you don't want to get back to the situation in July where he was only playing half the time.

 

I don't know s*** about bone spurs, just what I read.