General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[The Cats Ass]

Didn't we have to clear one to re-add Bradley Zimmer?

 

They had an open spot at that time.

[G-Snarls]

Lawrence is likely going to get a spot start against the Pirates which means during the Oriole's doubleheader we don't need to call anyone up from AAA for that.

 

Double headers against Orioles and Rays coming up

 

Need an extra guy for sure

[Ehjays]

No, I never said that.

 

But you said they literally make the team worse. That's dumb.

 

 

 

No, thats not what I said, don't change my words, I said One could argue after this call up, our team is worse. Its not dumb, they are both brutal, s***, garbage etc.. Pop and Moreno would have helped, not these two, especially Zimmer.

 

Anyway, lets keep an eye on these call ups and see how they help on our drive to a championship.

[The Cats Ass]

No, thats not what I said, don't change my words, I said One could argue after this call up, our team is worse. Its not dumb, they are both brutal, s***, garbage etc.. Pop and Moreno would have helped, not these two, especially Zimmer.

 

Anyway, lets keep an eye on these call ups and see how they help on our drive to a championship.

 

Which of Pop or Moreno are going to start the extra game?

[Swervin81]

Currently on the road to Pittsburgh! Was at an I-90 rest stop and saw entire tour buses full of Jays fans.

[glory]

Which of Pop or Moreno are going to start the extra game?

 

If you used Pop as an opener for 2 innings, that's probably how long Lawrence is going to last in a spot start.

[Spanky99]

Which of Pop or Moreno are going to start the extra game?

 

If that's the intent, why do that now? He could just be called up to pitch in a DH on that day.

[The Cats Ass]

If that's the intent, why do that now? He could just be called up to pitch in a DH on that day.

 

Smart play is to have Lawrence pitch against the Pirates, they have the 2nd worst offense in the league. That way we have 4 of our main starters for the Baltimore series.

[Spanky99]

Smart play is to have Lawrence pitch against the Pirates, they have the 2nd worst offense in the league. That way we have 4 of our main starters for the Baltimore series.

 

Smart play was to wait, and call up Gage or Thornton, no team is a walkover in the MLB. Maybe Kooch is starting the DH, hahaha!

[mellowgold]

So what are we looking at pitching-wise for the Pirates and O's series?

 

Manoah tonight, which lines him up for Wednesday's finale against the O's.

 

You definitely want Gausman in the O's series. He last pitched Tuesday, so he likely gets one of the games on Monday on five days rest.

 

Berrios last pitched Monday, and although he's been completely unreliable, you probably still want him vs. the O's over our other terrible options, so does he get the other Monday game on six days rest?

 

Stripling last pitched Sunday so he probably goes Saturday vs the Pirates which leaves us a Lawrence/bullpen game on Sunday.

 

So I guess White gets Tuesday vs. Baltimore?

 

Not ideal, but there is literally nobody else.

 

Vs. Pittsburgh:

 

Manoah/Stripling/Lawrence

 

Vs. Baltimore:

 

Berrios/Gausman/White/Manoah

 

Does that look right?

[The Cats Ass]

Smart play was to wait, and call up Gage or Thornton, no team is a walkover in the MLB. Maybe Kooch is starting the DH, hahaha!

 

So you'd rather have a spot starter face the O's, who we're directly competing with for a playoff spot, instead of having one face the worst hitting team in the league?

[Spanky99]

So what are we looking at pitching-wise for the Pirates and O's series?

 

Manoah tonight, which lines him up for Wednesday's finale against the O's.

 

You definitely want Gausman in the O's series. He last pitched Tuesday, so he likely gets one of the games on Monday on five days rest.

 

Berrios last pitched Monday, and although he's been completely unreliable, you probably still want him vs. the O's over our other terrible options, so does he get the other Monday game on six days rest?

 

Stripling last pitched Sunday so he probably goes Saturday vs the Pirates which leaves us a Lawrence/bullpen game on Sunday.

 

So I guess White gets Tuesday vs. Baltimore?

 

Not ideal, but there is literally nobody else.

 

Vs. Pittsburgh:

 

Manoah/Stripling/Lawrence

 

Vs. Baltimore:

 

Berrios/Gausman/White/Manoah

 

Does that look right?

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/probables-grid

[Spanky99]

So you'd rather have a spot starter face the O's, who we're directly competing with for a playoff spot, instead of having one face the worst hitting team in the league?

 

Where'd I say that? Has Lawrence been announced as the SP against the Bucs... I'm not assuming anything.

[mellowgold]

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/probables-grid

 

Has there been an official announcement? Looks like they're just plugging in whoever's turn it is that day.

[glory]

No, thats not what I said, don't change my words, I said One could argue after this call up, our team is worse. Its not dumb, they are both brutal, s***, garbage etc.. Pop and Moreno would have helped, not these two, especially Zimmer.

 

Anyway, lets keep an eye on these call ups and see how they help on our drive to a championship.

 

Agreed. When you add s***** players to the roster, it's not going to help. Whether it hurts or not is semantics. It doesn't help. Even if you use Zimmer as strictly a pinch runner/defensive replacement, they already have JBJ on the roster. They don't need two of the same thing. But this is a team that voluntarily will give Tapia 400 PA in a season they want to contend, so I'm not sure they even realize that the guys they called up stink.

[Spanky99]

Has there been an official announcement? Looks like they're just plugging in whoever's turn it is that day.

 

I just checked, only Manoah tonight has been announced. So, who knows.

[wilko]

So you'd rather have a spot starter face the O's, who we're directly competing with for a playoff spot, instead of having one face the worst hitting team in the league?

 

Doesn't matter. The Pirates are going to murder the Jays.

[Spanky99]

Zimmer over Moreno is idiotic.

[Krylian]

Doesn't matter. The Pirates are going to murder the Jays.

 

Do the Pirates have anyone in their organization named Sparrow or Barbosa?

[Laika]

Agreed. When you add s***** players to the roster, it's not going to help. Whether it hurts or not is semantics. It doesn't help. Even if you use Zimmer as strictly a pinch runner/defensive replacement, they already have JBJ on the roster. They don't need two of the same thing. But this is a team that voluntarily will give Tapia 400 PA in a season they want to contend, so I'm not sure they even realize that the guys they called up stink.

 

I did not know that JBJ could pinch run twice in a game and cover two outfield positions

 

Good to know though

[The Cats Ass]

Zimmer over Moreno is idiotic.

 

Moreno should still be getting everyday at bats. It's not like he is tearing the cover off the ball either. He has an OPS under .800 in the minors, and struggled when he was called up earlier this season.

[bones10]

The difference between Zimmer and Moreno in a bench role for a month is probably negligible the guys whk we used all year have to get it done like they're projected to.

 

It's annoying that the teams depth is so piss poor we have to start a mid 30s career minor leaguer in September but it's still the right move to line up better against the Orioles.

[BigCecil]

Hmm. Kind of scratching my head here. We seem to have a lot of really mediocre players taking up a lot of this roster. This "wave" has been more of a garden hose trickle.

 

JBJ

Zimmer

Tapia (has turned 334 PAs and those OF starts into -0.4 WAR)

 

Merrifield

Biggio

 

Lawrence

White

Kooch

 

Interchangeable s***. Biggio has been useful. Merrifield should be useful but has sucked for us pretty much so far. Not everyone is going to be a 2 WAR player on a roster.I get that but this volume of s*** depth, no matter the role or use, seems pretty unimpressive.

[BigCecil]

Lots of time for this discussion probably but Chappy's 122 wRC+ is the same as his career now. With his D it makes him a valuable asset to extend beyond '23. Or does it?

 

Has his offence really rebounded 18 and 19 levels or is this a mirage? His D metrics this year don't match the eye test, or he would have better than 3.4 WAR.

[keggy]

Lots of time for this discussion probably but Chappy's 122 wRC+ is the same as his career now. With his D it makes him a valuable asset to extend beyond '23. Or does it?

 

Has his offence really rebounded 18 and 19 levels or is this a mirage? His D metrics this year don't match the eye test, or he would have better than 3.4 WAR.

 

The team shifts so much I don't know what to do with infielder defensive metrics. He still looks great.

[Terminator]

Hmm. Kind of scratching my head here. We seem to have a lot of really mediocre players taking up a lot of this roster. This "wave" has been more of a garden hose trickle.

 

JBJ

Zimmer

Tapia (has turned 334 PAs and those OF starts into -0.4 WAR)

 

Merrifield

Biggio

 

Lawrence

White

Kooch

 

Interchangeable s***. Biggio has been useful. Merrifield should be useful but has sucked for us pretty much so far. Not everyone is going to be a 2 WAR player on a roster.I get that but this volume of s*** depth, no matter the role or use, seems pretty unimpressive.

 

JBJ

Zimmer

Tapia

Merrifield

Biggio

 

Between these 5 you could probably squeeze out an above average major league CFer over the course of the game. Imagine a player with the CF defense of JBJ/Zimmer, and the strong side splits of Biggio/Tapia/Whit at the plate. It's 2 elite defensive CFers and 3 pinch hit options, one righty and two lefties.

 

Start JBJ and then pinch hit for him as early as his 1st AB of the game if the situation calls for it. Then just keep subbing based on the situation until the game ends. If you played it right you could get 3 to 5 innings of JBJ and Zimmer CF defense without either recording an AB. lol

[Stangstag]

Lots of time for this discussion probably but Chappy's 122 wRC+ is the same as his career now. With his D it makes him a valuable asset to extend beyond '23. Or does it?

 

Has his offence really rebounded 18 and 19 levels or is this a mirage? His D metrics this year don't match the eye test, or he would have better than 3.4 WAR.

 

I would not extend Chapman. As we saw in 2020 (and some of 2021) if he loses the bat speed he becomes a much worse hitter. It just feels to me like he is a guy that would age badly with the bat. Give him the QO in 2023, if he takes it that’s fine.

[Terminator]

Lawrence is just a AAA innings eater guy. He can pitch in garbage time and eat up 3-4 innings. When he does that he can be sent back down.

[Spanky99]

Moreno should still be getting everyday at bats. It's not like he is tearing the cover off the ball either. He has an OPS under .800 in the minors, and struggled when he was called up earlier this season.

 

He'd get plenty of playing time down the stretch, can run, hit, spell our catchers defensively, plenty of reasons to have him over Zimmer.

[Stangstag]

JBJ

Zimmer

Tapia

Merrifield

Biggio

 

Between these 5 you could probably squeeze out an above average major league CFer over the course of the game. Imagine a player with the CF defense of JBJ/Zimmer, and the strong side splits of Biggio/Tapia/Whit at the plate. It's 2 elite defensive CFers and 3 pinch hit options, one righty and two lefties.

 

Start JBJ and then pinch hit for him as early as his 1st AB of the game if the situation calls for it. Then just keep subbing based on the situation until the game ends. If you played it right you could get 3 to 5 innings of JBJ and Zimmer CF defense without either recording an AB. lol

 

I feel like that’s too radical that nobody would try it. Decent idea but I can’t see it happening