General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Stangstag]

They really let the fan vote determine the replacement lol. No shot he was the next best option. I like Espinal but All-Star game….

 

Espinal getting in at 2B which is a relatively weak position this year is far less egregious than Vlad over Ty France at 1B

 

IMO

[BigCecil]

 

Thanks for posting. I loved that.

[BigCecil]

Report: Nats will entertain Soto trade offers after $440M offer rejected

https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2379581

 

Who the hell has the balls to reject 440M even if there's a few extra years on the contract. How do you trade for Soto knowing that lol.

 

Goodbye Moreno and everyone else. He will be a Jay shortly.

[Stangstag]

Goodbye Moreno and everyone else. He will be a Jay shortly.

 

Would be insane. Im buying a Soto jersey day 1 if it happens

[Dagagad]

Bo, Moreno, Martinez and Biggio for Soto or is that too much?

[Stangstag]

Bo, Moreno, Martinez and Biggio for Soto or is that too much?

 

Hard to say… trade value site has that as almost a dead even trade. So that would be fair

[glory]

Trade value site has Soto's value at 193.7 and Bichette/Moreno/Martinez at 192.10, so that's probably a fair offer. We are talking about 3 chances at a World Series with Soto/Vlad on the roster together. Espinal would probably be better defensive SS than Bo, and Biggio has bounced back to the point where starting him at 2B is probably doable now. Kirk/Jansen cover catcher for at least the next 2.5 years (until Jansen is a FA) so the sting of losing Moreno won't be felt short term. Martinez has a high ceiling but also a risky profile so you could probably live with moving him.

 

I'd do that deal and prepare for Soto to leave after 2024.

[Stangstag]

Trade value site has Soto's value at 193.7 and Bichette/Moreno/Martinez at 192.10, so that's probably a fair offer. We are talking about 3 chances at a World Series with Soto/Vlad on the roster together. Espinal would probably be better defensive SS than Bo, and Biggio has bounced back to the point where starting him at 2B is probably doable now. Kirk/Jansen cover catcher for at least the next 2.5 years (until Jansen is a FA) so the sting of losing Moreno won't be felt short term. Martinez has a high ceiling but also a risky profile so you could probably live with moving him.

 

I'd do that deal and prepare for Soto to leave after 2024.

 

Yeah same. Groshans is also a possible IF option for SS/2B coverage. The impact of Soto in the lineup would be astronomical

[Dagagad]

Trade value site has Soto's value at 193.7 and Bichette/Moreno/Martinez at 192.10, so that's probably a fair offer. We are talking about 3 chances at a World Series with Soto/Vlad on the roster together. Espinal would probably be better defensive SS than Bo, and Biggio has bounced back to the point where starting him at 2B is probably doable now. Kirk/Jansen cover catcher for at least the next 2.5 years (until Jansen is a FA) so the sting of losing Moreno won't be felt short term. Martinez has a high ceiling but also a risky profile so you could probably live with moving him.

 

I'd do that deal and prepare for Soto to leave after 2024.

 

I’d do that trade and try to sign Soto long term. His approach will age extremely well.

[Stangstag]

I’d do that trade and try to sign Soto long term. His approach will age extremely well.

 

Sure you could try to sign Soto long term but he just turned down 400 million lol.

 

Maybe he’d be more interested in a shorter contract higher AAV… something like 200mil/5yrs (buying out an arb year) and then test free agency around age 30

[BigCecil]

Yeah Beasley is one of those guys that if Toronto lets him get away for nothing he's probably a 3 ERA setup man I'm Baltimore lol

 

I've always felt the same way, like someone can unlock what looks like a pretty nice arsenal of stuff. He looks like a giant farmer who just took off his overalls and put on a ball uniform.

[BigCecil]

trade value site has soto's value at 193.7 and bichette/moreno/martinez at 192.10, so that's probably a fair offer. We are talking about 3 chances at a world series with soto/vlad on the roster together. Espinal would probably be better defensive ss than bo, and biggio has bounced back to the point where starting him at 2b is probably doable now. Kirk/jansen cover catcher for at least the next 2.5 years (until jansen is a fa) so the sting of losing moreno won't be felt short term. Martinez has a high ceiling but also a risky profile so you could probably live with moving him.

 

I'd do that deal and prepare for soto to leave after 2024.

 

all - day - long

 

[Jonn]

stop bitching the all star game is a joke anyway, same with most of the major awards.

 

Its not really bitching lol. I’m just kinda shocked. I still question if he’s even the best Second Baseman on this team let alone one of the best in the AL lol.

[gruber92]

Its not really bitching lol. I’m just kinda shocked. I still question if he’s even the best Second Baseman on this team let alone one of the best in the AL lol.

 

You're actually saying that Biggio could be a better overall second basemen? Save me some of whatever you're smoking.

[Jimcanuck]

You're actually saying that Biggio could be a better overall second basemen? Save me some of whatever you're smoking.

 

Biggio 0.9 fWAR in 49 games / 158 PA

Espinal 1.7 fWAR in 89 games / 345 PA

 

WAR production is pretty comparable

[Jonn]

You're actually saying that Biggio could be a better overall second basemen? Save me some of whatever you're smoking.

 

Yea I definitely think he could be. Project Biggio with the same amount of at-bats as Espinal he would have a higher WAR. I would personally like to see Biggio playing everyday vs Right-handers. Get very annoyed when Tapia steals his at-bats. And Espinal is streaming hot garbage vs RHP. He’s got to be in the lineup over atleast one of them.

[Dagagad]

Biggio 0.9 fWAR in 49 games / 158 PA

Espinal 1.7 fWAR in 89 games / 345 PA

 

WAR production is pretty comparable

 

I always wonder about comparisons between part time guys and everyday guys. Biggio probably gets picked partially based on matchups.

[Laika]

Espinal getting in at 2B which is a relatively weak position this year is far less egregious than Vlad over Ty France at 1B

 

IMO

 

France is 2B eligible on Yahoo

 

Should have just named him the 2B replacement

[Deadpool]

I always wonder about comparisons between part time guys and everyday guys. Biggio probably gets picked partially based on matchups.

 

Well, Espinal was really good at the start of the season when he was more or less in a platoon, and once he got in there full time he started regressing again, so it's arguable that maybe he should be a part time guy, but his glove is so good that his bat will play.

[THANOS]

Bo, Moreno, Martinez and Biggio for Soto or is that too much?

 

If that could get Soto, you do it 10/10 times and don't think twice.

[Jimcanuck]

I always wonder about comparisons between part time guys and everyday guys. Biggio probably gets picked partially based on matchups.

 

For his career Biggio has 106 wRC+ vs LHP and 108 vs RHP

 

I'm not saying one is better than the other, but that they are close in value. Flip a coin in other words.

 

It's in response to Gruber's dumb post.

[John Balkabella]

I am so happy Espy made the all star game.

 

Kid worked his ass off.

[Olerud363]

Espinal getting in at 2B which is a relatively weak position this year is far less egregious than Vlad over Ty France at 1B

 

IMO

 

France is an awesome player, but isn't that far ahead of Vlad this year, and Vlad was way better last year.

 

All star isn't just based on a half season. A homerun title winner who was second in MVP and is on track for a .270 35 100 season is an all-star.

 

Now if France hits well all year and through next year and Vlad doesn't go back to 2021 level then in 2023 you can argue France should be the all-star.

 

In my opinion all star should be loosely based on the last couple of years, not just the half season. Of course extreme half season things, for example a Bellinger level collapse, or a guy comes out of no where to hit .340 with 30 homeruns in a first half should be considered... which they are.

[Solaxys]

 

lol we have 6 now

[John_Havok]

I am so happy Espy made the all star game.

 

Kid worked his ass off.

 

For a guy who was never even close to being ranked in the top 30 Jays prospects…or even Bostons when he was first signed…to be a 3WAR everyday guy heading to the all star game is pretty cool.

[Jonn]

 

lol we have 6 now

 

WTF is happening lol.

[Laika]

 

lol we have 6 now

 

Uhhhh have they watched him pitch this year

[Solaxys]

WTF is happening lol.

 

A depth move I think since Cole and Verlander won't be able to pitch.

The catcher just has to not call the slider.

[Olerud363]

 

lol we have 6 now

 

If anybody had said at the beginning of the season that Kirk, Espinal, Romano, Manoah, and Springer would be all stars we would have thought the Jays were on track for 120 wins.

 

AND Gausman has the teams highest fWAR but isn't an all star because of bad luck with the W/L. And Stripling is back to his Dodgers level.

 

It's hard to reconcile intuitively how the record and the runs scored/runs against isn't better. Even the worst player, Tapia, is a .275 .300 .390 guy now, and that is OK for the worst player.

 

I guess

 

Ryu - disaster + TJ

Berrios - disaster

Kikuchi - disaster

 

Vlad/Bo - mediocre by their own standards.

 

Bullpen - core guys seem solid (Romano, Mayza, Garcia, Cimber, Phelps) but not amazing. I guess outside of those the rest of the bullpen must be a complete disaster.

[Stangstag]

 

lol we have 6 now

 

They saw his performance yesterday and decided to put him on the roster and give the NL a shot at winning the ASG for once