General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2022)

[Eat My Shatkins]

So…. we kind of can’t afford another Kikuchi start, right? Until he sorts it out somewhat.

 

How else is he supposed to sort it out?

[Dagagad]

How else is he supposed to sort it out?

 

Fake injury plus rehab assignment.

[InsideThePark]

Fake injury plus rehab assignment.

 

He has options. MLB rosters rules can be strange but I don't think his contract would preclude a assignment to the minors? No need to fake an injury

[Dagagad]

He has options. MLB rosters rules can be strange but I don't think his contract would preclude a assignment to the minors? No need to fake an injury

I saw on Reddit that he has enough service time that he can refuse.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Well s***, he has options? Then send him the f*** down.

 

He can refuse? Well s***, again.

 

It's quite the problem that they need to solve.

 

If Castillo continues to pitch like he did today they can't really justify trotting Kikuchi out there every 5th game anymore.

[Spanky99]

I saw on Reddit that he has enough service time that he can refuse.

 

You sure, thought it was 5 years?

[InsideThePark]

I saw on Reddit that he has enough service time that he can refuse.

 

Really? He has 3 years. I thought perhaps it could be a contract issue, or maybe something less than the 10/5 rights some players have. But 3 years seems a bit light.

[Dagagad]

You sure, thought it was 5 years?

 

Maybe, it’s not service time. But someone said he can refuse.

 

I looked it up. It was stoeton on Twitter but he doesn’t say why. So, provisionally, I’ll say he can be sent down.

[John_Havok]

Maybe, it’s not service time. But someone said he can refuse.

 

I looked it up. It was stoeton on Twitter but he doesn’t say why. So, provisionally, I’ll say he can be sent down.

 

I don’t think he can refuse, but since it’s been more than 3 calendar years since his first appearance, he cannot be optioned to the minors without clearing optional assignment waivers.

 

Basically, the Jays would have to put him on the waivers, and if any team put in a claim they’d have to pull him back. Then, they can’t try to option him again or it becomes irrevocable and he either gets claimed by another team for no return, or he goes to the minors and remains on the 40 man roster.

[Spanky99]

I don’t think he can refuse, but since it’s been more than 3 calendar years since his first appearance, he cannot be optioned to the minors without clearing optional assignment waivers.

 

Basically, the Jays would have to put him on the waivers, and if any team put in a claim they’d have to pull him back. Then, they can’t try to option him again or it becomes irrevocable and he either gets claimed by another team for no return, or he goes to the minors and remains on the 40 man roster.

 

Da fuq?

[John_Havok]

Da fuq?

 

It’s to protect players that have never been optioned from being optioned for no reason other than to f*** with service time.

[Spanky99]

It’s to protect players that have never been optioned from being optioned for no reason other than to f*** with service time.

 

I understand that, is it days of service time that induces that or something? Normally it's 5 years is what I remember? I'm legit lost now.

[John_Havok]

I understand that, is it days of service time that induces that or something? Normally it's 5 years is what I remember? I'm legit lost now.

 

The 5 year thing is about outright waivers. There’s like 5 or more different kinds of waivers in MLB

[Spanky99]

The 5 year thing is about outright waivers. There’s like 5 or more different kinds of waivers in MLB

 

That's why I asked, I was lost on the irrevocable waivers etc, cause of that stipulation in August. So options are out the window after what?

[Spanky99]

News on Jano, and TIL, Collins is on the MLB 25 man roster, lol.

 

Danny Jansen (finger) will undergo a follow-up X-ray on Monday.

 

Advice: Jansen has increased baseball activity recently as he works his way back from a fractured left finger and should progress to a live batting practice session sometime next week. His impending follow-up visit should provide some clarity on his exact timeline to rejoin the Blue Jays this summer.

 

More: Arden Zwelling on Twitter

[Spanky99]

Chuckie's losing patience...

 

“I’m not going to sit here and make excuses for him. He hasn't pitched well. And he put us in a tough spot today again.”

[connorp]

Chuckie's losing patience...

 

Yikes one more start at best sounds like

[G-Snarls]

Chuckie's losing patience...

 

I've never heard him single someone out like that

[Spanky99]

I've never heard him single someone out like that

 

Yeah, Chuckie throwing the choke rope.

[BigCecil]

Yeah, Chuckie throwing the choke rope.

 

Good. There is no way this guy can be given the ball in a Win season again until they see something that says he can compete at an MLB level again.

 

People talking about him finding his command likes its his iphone he left in the basement or something. He may never find it. Just reality.

[BigCecil]

Must be interesting being GM of a team in TOR. You can:

 

- 7th season in the job now

 

- Basically take lighter fluid to a pile of $140M and burn it – Roark, Kooch and Ryu

 

- Get blown out in a 1 gm WC and miss the playoffs by one game when you had numerous ‘21 unicorn seasons

 

- Assemble mediocre pens in seasons when you wanted to compete in the AL East back to back.

 

- Hold on to JD in a non compete season to later trade the former MVP for Merryweather

 

- Fail to develop much swing and miss stuff pitching

 

- We'll see how the $231M works out for Gausman and Berrios. Its early but so far Berrios very underwhelming. Gausman has been money.

 

And many will say you walk on water.

 

- While another GM gets you well into the ALCS back to back years, re-energizing a stagnant franchise.

 

- Pushes in all the chips to sign Vlad, and bring in other key pieces

 

- Locks up Jose and Edwin, Acuna, Albies etc to under market long term deals

 

- Gets a WS ring while missing 3 of your best players - Acuna, Ozuna, Soroka

 

And many will say you sucked.

 

(Being facetious. Lots of good moves have been made but feeling frustrated this am as we slip behind the BoSox with a tough stretch of games ahead with rotation and pen issues)

[Laika]

Did that feel good?

[Dagagad]

Must be interesting being GM of a team in TOR. You can:

 

- 7th season in the job now

 

- Basically take lighter fluid to a pile of $140M and burn it – Roark, Kooch and Ryu

 

- Get blown out in a 1 gm WC and miss the playoffs by one game when you had numerous ‘21 unicorn seasons

 

- Assemble mediocre pens in seasons when you wanted to compete in the AL East back to back.

 

- Hold on to JD in a non compete season to later trade the former MVP for Merryweather

 

- Fail to develop much swing and miss stuff pitching

 

- We'll see how the $231M works out for Gausman and Berrios. Its early but so far Berrios very underwhelming. Gausman has been money.

 

And many will say you walk on water.

 

- While another GM gets you well into the ALCS back to back years, re-energizing a stagnant franchise.

 

- Pushes in all the chips to sign Vlad, and bring in other key pieces

 

- Locks up Jose and Edwin, Acuna, Albies etc to under market long term deals

 

- Gets a WS ring while missing 3 of your best players - Acuna, Ozuna, Soroka

 

And many will say you sucked.

 

(Being facetious. Lots of good moves have been made but feeling frustrated this am as we slip behind the BoSox with a tough stretch of games ahead with rotation and pen issues)

 

The thing about last season that didn’t make sense to me at the time was that we knew in may that the bullpen was destroying us. We knew we had an underlying good team statistically. So, the obvious answer is to overpay for multiple relievers right then and as soon as possible. Instead, we got great deals on two relievers but too late.

 

That’s all in retrospect but this was stuff I was saying at the time in may last year. Go out and make some bad trades for relievers where you know at the time that you got ripped off in the trade, and probably by a lot. The Sportsnet propoganda network kept telling us how hard it is to make early trades for relievers when it isn’t hard.. it’s just hard to make FAIR trades. Why did they have to be fair? Overpay.

 

At the time, I thought it meant that we weren’t going to go crazy at the deadline but then we made a massive trade for berrios even though our playoff odds were just good enough to justify it. Those actions didn’t seem to be consistent to me.

 

I think there’s a lot of ego and ass covering involved in these jobs. You don’t want to lose trades (especially obvious losses at the time of the trade) and you don’t want to do anything outside the norm like make overpay trades way before the deadline, because teams don’t do that. If that goes wrong idiots will destroy you instead of the manager even though it was the logical thing to do.

 

In saying all that, in the grand scheme that’s a minor enough quibble. The main problem with this front office is that we are in a division with two top 5 front offices in the entire league. And the other two teams are run by guys who come from front offices that are top 5 in the league.

 

If we were in the AL central none of this would matter.

[John_Havok]

That's why I asked, I was lost on the irrevocable waivers etc, cause of that stipulation in August. So options are out the window after what?

 

Naw, not out the window, they just would never really use optional waivers on someone they truly cared about keeping.

[Stangstag]

Good. There is no way this guy can be given the ball in a Win season again until they see something that says he can compete at an MLB level again.

 

People talking about him finding his command likes its his iphone he left in the basement or something. He may never find it. Just reality.

 

Its gonna have to be something they work on over the offseason/ST because yeah can’t keep trotting him out there to give up 4-5 runs and pitch 2 innings each start.

[Solaxys]

Would you:

 

Send Jansen to Astros to get Brown & Abreu

And then send Brown & Martinez to As for Montas or Reds for Castillo

 

(Jays get a swing/miss SP & a swing/miss relief pitcher; Astros get a catcher; As/Reds get two good prospects | might need one more prospect from Astros - Barber or Whitley to sort of balance the sheets, but I doubt they'd give up more in this trade)

[Dagagad]

Would you:

 

Send Jansen to Astros to get Brown & Abreu in return

And then send Brown & Martinez to As for Montas or Reds for Castillo

 

(Jays get a swing/miss SP & a swing/miss relief pitcher; Astros get a catcher; As/Reds get two good prospects | might need one more prospect from Astros - Barber or Whitley to sort of balance the sheets, but I doubt they'd give up more in this trade)

 

I’d do the first trade and stop right there. That would really help our pen and it’s not outside the bounds of reality that brown becomes a starter down the road.

[Sorrow]

Isn’t how we got rid of Rios through optional waivers?

[Solaxys]

Isn’t how we got rid of Rios through optional waivers?

 

Trade Assignment Waivers I believe.

You put the player up post trade deadline - if not claimed, can trade to any team.

If claimed, you can revoke the waiver, work out a trade with the team that claimed the waiver, or send the player + contract to the team that claimed the waiver for a nominal fee.

 

Alex Rios was put up; White Sox claimed him; Jays sent Rios over for 20k or something but shed the 60M left on his contract

[Stangstag]

Springer back in CF today, good to see