Gausman signed Jays 5/110M

[Dr. Dinger]

The only reason Gausman signed here is because AA signed Guerrero in the first place. Same with Springer, same with Ryu. If AA didn't leave us with Guerrero, this team would not be such a desirable destination.

 

Also: I f***ing love this signing.

[saskjayfan]

f*** the Mets

 

MLBTR ranked Gausman fifth on our list of the winter’s top 50 free agents, and his contract falls a bit shy of our six-year, $138MM projection. However, it appears as though Gausman did leave some money on the table to join the Blue Jays, as SNY’s Andy Martino tweets that the Mets offered Gausman a larger deal than Toronto’s five years and $110MM

 

This pleases me...lol. The Mets spending ridiculous money.

[TheHurl]

The game is about winning the WS - Atlanta may be in a weak division but it was AA's trades that made them into a WS contender - his team after the trade deadline was significantly better than the first half team - and they won without their best star player. AA built a team that could beat the Astros who beat the top teams in the American League.

 

Some teams are built to be the best teams in a 162 game season and some teams are built to win a WS when they actually get into the playoffs. One of the reasons I harp on having dominating pitching is because dominating pitching can shut down the best offense.

 

I think Shatkins is doing a better job in terms of long term success but the goal is winning a WS and yes the Jays are in the AL East and Atlanta is in a weak division - still AA had to build a team that could beat the best teams in the playoffs and they did - and without their franchise player.

 

AA's dealing in Atlanta covered here https://www.mlb.com/news/braves-2021-trade-deadline-moves-world-series-title

 

Like I say - I'd still rather Shatkins but credit where credit is due - winning a WS is the ONLY thing that matters - not Billy Beane's oh so close but always the bridesmaid results. Winning and only winning a WS is what counts.

 

And let's not be too hard on ATL - they won a mere 3 fewer games than the Jays - if the Jays had managed to squeak in and win the WS and beat 100 win teams we would not be saying it was a fluke. It would be because of the good moves by Atkins to land Cimber and Richards and Berrios.

 

The Jays can't squeak in to the playoffs with a weak record. If the Jays sit 3 games under .500 at the deadline they are trading Ray, and Semien not being buyers. The AA model is not sustainable. You can't always assume that a .530 projected team is going to play .650 ball the rest of the way.

[G-Snarls]

This pleases me...lol. The Mets spending ridiculous money.

 

And lots of players (and GM's) don't want to take their money

 

And they don't have a manager

[Dick_Pole]

This signing is worth it just to troll the moron who started all the useless threads recently and hopefully gets him to rage quit the board and being a Jays fan.

[G-Snarls]

I can't get over what a reasonable deal this is

[max silver]

I can't get over what a reasonable deal this is

 

I'm very curious to see what Ray ends up signing for. I have a feeling that the Gausman signing is going to look quite a bit more favorable by comparison. Add in the extra draft pick gained by Ray leaving and it's win-win.

[JaysAllMighty]

Great signing. Now get us a reasonably smart manager.

[Sammy225]

I say we had a flyer on a piece like Alex Cobb then I'm happy with the rotation. Add one more infield piece then we are laughing

[Ryu In My House]

FO not f***ing around on arms. Going to be interesting to see what they want to do 2B and 3B with Marcus gone. No way they sign Ray too

 

Great signing, but yeah, 100% Ray era is over. Now we get the Semien and Ray compensation picks, whilst not losing one with Gausman because he too his QO last year. Just so brilliant.

 

Now they need a 3B...or trust Vladdy's new quickness and lithe build plays at 3B and trade for Votto.

[Ryu In My House]

I just came in my pants. Where are the Shatkins haters now bitches?

 

I've wanted to dislike them since the GM_AA fiasco, but they keep building a better team year after year, and continue doing it smart ways that keep our long game solid with prospects. I love their plan so far.

 

They have said too often for it not to be true that the money is there. They certainly have payroll parameters, many have said ~ $180, but I also believe they have latitude to make huge trades and sign FAs if the opportunity presents itself.

 

In sum, this FO doesn't f*** around, but they do not do things recklessly. I love it.

[Ryu In My House]

It's so weird watching a Jays team that shops at the top of the FA market.

 

No kidding!!! I kept hitting F5 yesterday on my browsing because I have come to expect big splashes.

[hongsw84]

well you will see on the season

[Sammy225]

Just watched hilights of this man's splitter and got hard.

[Deadpool]

well you will see on the season

 

I'm betting on Shatkins over hongsw84, just FYI.

[Olerud363]

Great signing, but yeah, 100% Ray era is over. Now we get the Semien and Ray compensation picks, whilst not losing one with Gausman because he too his QO last year. Just so brilliant.

 

Now they need a 3B...or trust Vladdy's new quickness and lithe build plays at 3B and trade for Votto.

 

Would open up Votto, Olson, Freeman and maybe others I am forgetting...

 

Tigers did something similar with Cabrera in 2012, moved him to 3rd to get Fielder. Fielder wasn't a great signing, but Cabrera wasn't a disaster at 3rd and they made the World Series that year.

[Deadpool]

Would open up Votto, Olson, Freeman and maybe others I am forgetting...

 

Tigers did something similar with Cabrera in 2012, moved him to 3rd to get Fielder. Fielder wasn't a great signing, but Cabrera wasn't a disaster at 3rd and they made the World Series that year.

 

While I love the idea of getting Vladdy some reps at third, and maybe even using him there as the primary third baseman, they have to be prepared to keep him there if they go out and sign a 1B, regardless of how he plays. I'd be a lot more comfortable trying that out if we still had Tellez on the roster, or had someone in AAA who was knocking on the door at 1B than going out and making a huge trade or a big impact signing.

[hongsw84]

I'm betting on Shatkins over hongsw84, just FYI.

 

2021 30 SFG NL 14 6

 

2017 26 BAL AL 11 12

 

2018 27 TOT MLB 10 1

 

 

he only had 3 10 + winning seasons

 

whenever he was at baltimore orioles, his Era was more than 4.2 per season

 

he had 4 seasons with 150 innings or more pitches which is only good point because he is inning eater

 

But, I still think he is good for national league.. not American league

 

you will see.

 

Aaron Judge, Otani, Semien will hit many homeruns against him

[Deadpool]

2021 30 SFG NL 14 6

 

2017 26 BAL AL 11 12

 

2018 27 TOT MLB 10 1

 

 

he only had 3 10 + winning seasons

 

whenever he was at baltimore orioles, his Era was more than 4.2 per season

 

he had 4 seasons with 150 innings or more pitches which is only good point because he is inning eater

 

But, I still think he is good for national league.. not American league

 

you will see.

 

Aaron Judge, Otani, Semien will hit many homeruns against him

 

Look dude, you're new around here, but unless you took a 25 year break from baseball and are still stuck in 1996, you should realize that pitcher wins mean precisely dick all. It's also possible that you are literally Joe Morgan, I suppose. I don't think there's an afterlife, but maybe there is one, and you're forced to act the fool on internet message boards for all eternity.

[hongsw84]

look at this fact

 

If you sign some constant like Max Schezer or Grienke, its good upgrade

 

But, sign someone who was super good just before Free agency is a lot of risky

 

 

Also, only thing I like Gausman is he is inning eater

 

I don't think he will win 14 wins this season, but we will see

 

I only see by stats

 

Dont be a J.P. Richardi. you remember how he screwed Blue jays right?

 

He only signed players who was 1 year good and gave them 5 years contract

[DigitalRock]

f*** yeah, makings of a good rotation

[DigitalRock]

look at this fact

 

If you sign some constant like Max Schezer or Grienke, its good upgrade

 

But, sign someone who was super good just before Free agency is a lot of risky

 

 

Also, only thing I like Gausman is he is inning eater

 

I don't think he will win 14 wins this season, but we will see

 

I only see by stats

 

Dont be a J.P. Richardi. you remember how he screwed Blue jays right?

 

He only signed players who was 1 year good and gave them 5 years contract

 

Lol moron.

[Key22]

Yeah, and still won more games in a waaaaaay tougher division against waaaaay tougher head to head competition and also swept the Braves last season.

 

I'm not saying AA didn't do good things. My issue was with the poster coming in saying AA = 1 vs Shatkins = 0 like it's just that simple and that the Braves winning the WS this season makes AA better than Shatkins. It really isn't that simple.

 

Anyways, like I said when I first responded, this isn't the thread for this discussion. I'll move on.

 

I wasn't really saying that - though I understand why some would take it that way - it's just that AA gets dumped on here a bit so was trying to defend him by noting that so far he has done what the goal here has been - win a WS.

 

I get all the numbers - if the Jays were in the NL East we'd be in the playoffs - hell if it were just a balanced schedule and we didn't play Tampa, New York and Boston 19 teams (albeit we do also get Baltimore) then we'd probably be in the playoffs.

 

Boras went off his nut about the crappy way a team like Atlanta won.

 

As for luck - there is a saying that you have to be good to be lucky. There is a lot of luck in baseball - still, as I linked earlier - AA made several moves electing to not chuck in the season - they were 5 out and with their franchise player done for the year and it was AA who decided to go for it anyway. I think it's hard to then say well it was just luck - luck is doing nothing and it all works out.

 

This doesn't mean I don't like Shatkins - At the beginning of the year last year no one expected them to be a playoff team and they were. I don't think anyone saw 91 wins this year coming and they were one of the 2-3 best teams in baseball the last 40 games or so. For the most part, they're doing all the right things.

 

In the end, I suppose it is a difference in philosophies - would I like to be a team that is a .500 club for 10 years with say 2 playoff appearances and a WS title or a .600 team that makes the playoffs ten times with 0 WS titles. I take the former.

 

Shatkins have plenty of time - great core, really nice rotation, improving pen. Players like the manager even if the rest of Canada doesn't.

[The Cats Ass]

look at this fact

 

If you sign some constant like Max Schezer or Grienke, its good upgrade

 

But, sign someone who was super good just before Free agency is a lot of risky

 

 

Also, only thing I like Gausman is he is inning eater

 

I don't think he will win 14 wins this season, but we will see

 

I only see by stats

 

Dont be a J.P. Richardi. you remember how he screwed Blue jays right?

 

He only signed players who was 1 year good and gave them 5 years contract

 

Reported for wanting us to sign Zack Greinke.

[hongsw84]

wont say anything too much

you will see Yankees Aaron judge will hit 3 homeruns against Gausman per game

[Ehjays]

This pleases me...lol. The Mets spending ridiculous money.

 

f*** the Mets

 

MLBTR ranked Gausman fifth on our list of the winter’s top 50 free agents, and his contract falls a bit shy of our six-year, $138MM projection. However, it appears as though Gausman did leave some money on the table to join the Blue Jays, as SNY’s Andy Martino tweets that the Mets offered Gausman a larger deal than Toronto’s five years and $110MM

 

My thoughts exactly. How nice is that to read, after years of Toronto having to overpay everyone.

 

Also f*** the Mets.

 

Did he turn down more money from the Mets?? If so I love it so much more.

 

Yes, that's what they're saying.

 

Love to see it

 

Andy Martino is saying in this link not only that the Mets offered more but 10 million MORE than the Jays .....this deal keeps getting better

 

[Olerud363]

look at this fact

 

If you sign some constant like Max Schezer or Grienke, its good upgrade

 

But, sign someone who was super good just before Free agency is a lot of risky

 

 

Also, only thing I like Gausman is he is inning eater

 

I don't think he will win 14 wins this season, but we will see

 

I only see by stats

 

Dont be a J.P. Richardi. you remember how he screwed Blue jays right?

 

He only signed players who was 1 year good and gave them 5 years contract

 

lol. If Gaussman or Ray had a longer track record they'd be signing for 35 million a year... Nice move. Replaces Ray with a guy almost exactly the same stats wise.

[The Cats Ass]

Andy Martino is saying in this link not only that the Mets offered more but 10 million MORE than the Jays .....this deal keeps getting better

 

 

It's starting to get that Toronto is a desirable place to play. Good clubhouse atmosphere. A nice city, where the players can walk to the stadium. A very competitive team. That's 2 players so far that took less money to sign with the Jays, was reported that Yimi had a higher offer as well. Plus Berrios signed his extension after pitching a short time here.

[TheHurl]

wont say anything too much

you will see Yankees Aaron judge will hit 3 homeruns against Gausman per game

 

Good thing he doesn't face Aaron Judge every PA/ Every game. For the record Aaron Judge has 3 HR's in 7 PA's against Robbie Ray. Good thing we let him walk.

 

Gausman will give up quite a few HR's. He'll probably have an ERA in around 3.60 to 4.00 for us. If they Jays can get 850 IP of 3.80 to 3.90 ERA, they will likely win 90 games.

[AMS528]

This really seems like a great price. Two years of great performance overall, and the Jays front office loves him since they've chased him twice so far.

 

For people who saw more of Gausman's games, was there any cause for concern with his second half dip? 2.57 FIP in the first half, 3.65 in the second.