NLDS Best of 5 GDST: Game 1 Dodgers @ Giants 9:37 EST

[philly30]

 

What is it you do not understand?, that is not a pitch to swing at, it was a ball, it was not close

[Omar]

What is it you do not understand?, that is not a pitch to swing at, it was a ball, it was not close

 

 

*sigh*It seems you don't understand the context of where the game was at that moment, You have to protect the plate.

[Stangstag]

two down, two strikes.......protect the plate

 

Dude it was a ball lol. And the ump called it a ball. And he checked his swing.

[thatoneguy]

*sigh*It seems you don't understand the context of where the game was at that moment, You have to protect the plate.

 

So you're going to tell him to swing at a pitch that he has a rather low probability of hitting (it was a nasty pitch from Max) and was a ball, instead of checking his swing to the point it was not even close. That was on the umpire to get the call right, not Flores.

 

Frankly, it was a great take and check swing by Flores. The umpire just royally f***ed it up.

[max silver]

*sigh*It seems you don't understand the context of where the game was at that moment, You have to protect the plate.

 

If he would have swung at the pitch he likely would have missed and struck out anyway. That wasn't close enough to the strike zone to necessitate swinging, this protect the plate business is nonsense.

[Jays24]

If we can have robo umps for the strike zone, we better be able to instantaneously review check swings too. It's really not that hard to figure out.

[Jimcanuck]

*sigh*It seems you don't understand the context of where the game was at that moment, You have to protect the plate.

 

That's not the only thing the hitter is trying to do, the hitter is also trying to get into a favourable count / get a good pitch to hit.

 

Are you suggesting Flores, and not the umpire, f***ed up?

[philly30]

*sigh*It seems you don't understand the context of where the game was at that moment, You have to protect the plate.

 

Ok I think you may not be serious now

[Omar]

That's not the only thing the hitter is trying to do, the hitter is also trying to get into a favourable count / get a good pitch to hit.

 

Are you suggesting Flores, and not the umpire, f***ed up?

 

The umpire made a bad call. Everyone saying it was a ball is hindsight.

[max silver]

The umpire made a bad call. Everyone saying it was a ball is hindsight.

 

It was obviously a ball in real time. You are so wrong here it's laughable dude.

[Omar]

It was obviously a ball in real time. You are so wrong here it's laughable dude.

 

So if you are at the plate with 2 strikes you don't protect the plate with the season on the line. Got it.

[philly30]

So if you are at the plate with 2 strikes you don't protect the plate with the season on the line. Got it.

 

not one person said that

[TwistedLogic]

So if you are at the plate with 2 strikes you don't protect the plate with the season on the line. Got it.

 

Do you actually know what "protecting the plate" means? Protecting the plate is fouling off pitches that are 2-3 inches outside so that you don't leave it up to a s***** umpire screwing you on a close call. It does not mean swinging at garbage that is a foot outside and is nearly in the dirt.

 

 

Your idea of "protecting the plate" means every count in a close game should always be 0-2. Guys should try to foul every pitch and likely go down chasing crap pitches each time.

[Omar]

If he would have swung at the pitch he likely would have missed and struck out anyway. That wasn't close enough to the strike zone to necessitate swinging, this protect the plate business is nonsense.

 

 

He likely would have fouled it offand extended the ab. Likely.

[Omar]

Do you actually know what "protecting the plate" means? Protecting the plate is fouling off pitches that are 2-3 inches outside so that you don't leave it up to a s***** umpire screwing you on a close call. It does not mean swinging at garbage that is a foot outside and is nearly in the dirt.

 

 

Your idea of "protecting the plate" means every count in a close game should always be 0-2. Guys should try to foul every pitch and likely go down chasing crap pitches each time.

 

That is close to catching the corner.

[thatoneguy]

No, it really isn't.

[max silver]

That is close to catching the corner.

 

Are you semi blind or something? That pitch is 5 or 6 inches low and outside by a similar amount. Might be time to check your prescription.

[Omar]

Are you semi blind or something? That pitch is 5 or 6 inches low and outside by a similar amount. Might be time to check your prescription.

 

I never said it was a strike, just too close to take. Are you being obtuse on purpose? A strike isn't where the catcher catches the ball. it is where it crosses the plane of the plate. It was close to the corner, not a strike.

[TwistedLogic]

I never said it was a strike, just too close to take. Are you being obtuse on purpose? A strike isn't where the catcher catches the ball. it is where it crosses the plane of the plate. It was close to the corner, not a strike.

 

Again, you come off like a person who has literally never watched a baseball game before.

 

You understand the point of a checked swing don't you? It's when a ball looks to be close initially and then quickly starts tailing far outside. As you see that happening, you pull your bat back, don't follow through with the swing and add an easy ball to your count.

 

Wilmer Flores did all of that perfectly. He was then f***ed by a bad umpire on a checked swing call that was nowhere close to crossing the plate, on a pitch that was nowhere close to touching the zone.

 

You are trying very hard to die on a hill with one of the worst arguments I've ever seen someone passionately fight when discussing baseball.

[Stangstag]

I never said it was a strike, just too close to take. Are you being obtuse on purpose? A strike isn't where the catcher catches the ball. it is where it crosses the plane of the plate. It was close to the corner, not a strike.

 

You must be drunk as fk

[max silver]

I never said it was a strike, just too close to take. Are you being obtuse on purpose? A strike isn't where the catcher catches the ball. it is where it crosses the plane of the plate. It was close to the corner, not a strike.

 

Why are you even arguing here? What you are suggesting is completely irrelevant to what happened in the game, and you are really coming across as a moron here. This pitch was far too low and outside to swing at, it absolutely positively 100% is a pitch that a batter should NOT be swinging at. The batter correctly identified it as such and was able to check his swing in time. The home plate umpire correctly called it a ball. The only issue here is the blown check swing call by the first base umpire, everybody else in this instance correctly did their job, and if not for the blown call the game would have continued.

[Omar]

You must be drunk as fk

 

and Im not alone:cool:

 

 

 

[thatoneguy]

lol

 

Random commenters on Twitter does not an argument make.

[philly30]

More idiots I can block on twitter, thanks!

[philly30]

lol

 

Random commenters on Twitter does not an argument make.

 

I always get my baseball knowledge from Mr Bucky, don't you?

[glory]

A great game by two great teams and the story is going to be about an umpire. Sounds about right.

 

Umpires seems to have gotten worse this season, and that’s saying something. The sad thing is, this wouldn’t have been prevented by robo umps since it wasn’t even the HP umpire’s blown call.

[Brownie19]

Omar - this 'old school' rule sounds great in little league where it's physically possible to 'handle' everything the pitcher is throwing. This is Max f***ing Scherzer. It's nearly impossible to 'cover' every pitch within the strike zone against him - let alone every pitch outside of the zone.

[BigCecil]

Omar - this 'old school' rule sounds great in little league where it's physically possible to 'handle' everything the pitcher is throwing. This is Max f***ing Scherzer. It's nearly impossible to 'cover' every pitch within the strike zone against him - let alone every pitch outside of the zone.

 

Coached LL for years and i don't know how many times i told kids "protect the plate doesn't mean chase everything". That pitch is Max's bread and butter and the only way a hitter can survive is to lay off it. Which he did. Would have been tough to even foul off. I think we have beat this to death. Omar is good guy good poster but on this one he is wrong lol.

[Stangstag]

When did “protect the plate” turn into “swing at a clear ball if you have 2 strikes just because?”

 

This whole thing isn’t even about protecting the plate anyways, not sure why this is being brought up.

 

Its about an umpire getting a check swing call wrong.

 

You could argue Flores should have either decided TO swing or decided to NOT swing instead of half swinging. But you can’t say he NEEDED to swing because he NEEDED to “protect the plate”, that’s moronic.

[Spanky99]

Yeah, I understand where Omar's coming from on protecting the plate, but this was a ball down and away 4--6 inches off the plate, and checked well, called a ball correctly by the HP ump, but that call was atrocious by the 1st base umpire, you have to be positive he went around. Anyhow, it is what it is now. Hoping for a Dodger/Stros WS now.