ALDS Best of 5 GDT: Game 1 Bosox @ Rays 8:07 EST

[Olerud363]

Here is the point with examples:

 

Situation A - a flyball going 390 feet bounces off Jose Canseco's head and goes out. Rulebook says homer.

 

Situation B - a flyball going 390 feet hits the ground then goes off Hunter Renfroe's titties and goes out. Rulebook says GRD.

 

Why should they be treated differently? If the only answer is "because one hit the grass" that's just circular logic because you are defining the rule and then using it as your argument.

 

I think they should be treated the the same, because they are fundamentally the same thing: a deep flyball misplayed by a fielder who puts the ball over the fair outfield fence by accident.

 

And when I say "arguably the spirit and intent of all the rules" I mean when you read all of these relevant pages of the book and ask yourself "did the writer really intend examples A and B to be treated differently or did they just fail to think of all the possibilities? would they have wanted A and B to be treated the same?"

 

They should be treated different because in one case the opposing team gets extra bases and in the other they lose bases.

 

No one would ever purposely give their opponent a home run. However they would choose to give opposing team 2 bases instead of 3. They would choose to stop a runner from scoring.

 

So case 2 should be handled differently to avoid punishing the hitter and baserunners. Not quite the same as a ground rule double because another player is involved and there is an edge case where he does it purposely to save a run.

[John_Havok]

Here is the point with examples:

 

Situation A - a flyball going 390 feet bounces off Jose Canseco's head and goes out. Rulebook says homer.

 

Situation B - a flyball going 390 feet hits the ground then goes off Hunter Renfroe's titties and goes out. Rulebook says GRD.

 

Why should they be treated differently? If the only answer is "because one hit the grass" that's just circular logic because you are defining the rule and then using it as your argument.

 

I think they should be treated the the same, because they are fundamentally the same thing: a deep flyball misplayed by a fielder who puts the ball over the fair outfield fence by accident.

 

And when I say "arguably the spirit and intent of all the rules" I mean when you read all of these relevant pages of the book and ask yourself "did the writer really intend examples A and B to be treated differently or did they just fail to think of all the possibilities? would they have wanted A and B to be treated the same?"

 

The difference in the examples is that a ball off the players head is still a legally catchable ball for an out, ie a ball that is in flight. Once the ball his the wall and/or ground, it’s no longer a legally catchable ball, ie no longer in flight. A ball can’t be ruled a home run if it’s no longer a ball that is in flight.

[Laika]

The difference in the examples is that a ball off the players head is still a legally catchable ball for an out, ie a ball that is in flight. Once the ball his the wall and/or ground, it’s no longer a legally catchable ball, ie no longer in flight. A ball can’t be ruled a home run if it’s no longer a ball that is in flight.

 

"Why should they be treated differently? If the only answer is "because one hit the grass" that's just circular logic because you are defining the rule and then using it as your argument."

[John_Havok]

"Why should they be treated differently? If the only answer is "because one hit the grass" that's just circular logic because you are defining the rule and then using it as your argument."

 

IMO they should be treated differently because if a ball hits the ground in play prior to going over the wall, it shouldn’t be the same thing as a ball clearing the wall. It’s two different things. Reductionism comes into play rather than just looking at the nonspecific events as “both balls left the field of play between the foul lines after being hit by the batter”

[Stangstag]

"Why should they be treated differently? If the only answer is "because one hit the grass" that's just circular logic because you are defining the rule and then using it as your argument."

 

This is dumb

[G-Snarls]

Tampa huge favorites to win this game

[connorp]

This is dumb

 

I don’t think it’s dumb really but no need to change it IMO. In the rare case where it goes off Canseco’s head, or bounces off a glove and travels 5ft+ and goes over the fence, it’s a little dumb that its a HR but is what it is. It’s a live ball until it touches the ground…. I do think they’ll look maybe at making scoring a runner on a GRD a judgement call though

[Spanky99]

 

[BigCecil]

Franco f***ed by ump on a pitch he called a third strike that was 4 inches above zone. Virtually unhittable. I’m more consistently pissed off at strike/ball calling this season than I can ever remember.

[Abomination]

Austin Meadows doing some serious work on Eduardo's pitch count.

[Spanky99]

Ugghhh... I hate these, f***ers!

[Spanky99]

Note to Tampa... McClanahan's not good on short rest. Boston are pushing their s*** in.

[BigCecil]

Rays will be eliminated by BoSox. Just another reminder if you can make it in anything can happen. Also another reminder we f***ing didn’t make it in when we should have.

[Spanky99]

Rays will be eliminated by BoSox. Just another reminder if you can make it in anything can happen. Also another reminder we f***ing didn’t make it in when we should have.

 

We'd have f***ed these teams up, infuriating.

[Abomination]

Rays will be eliminated by BoSox. Just another reminder if you can make it in anything can happen. Also another reminder we f***ing didn’t make it in when we should have.

 

 

After the Rays threw the final game of the season, this makes me very happy. I would have preferred the Yankees to have been the ones to do it, but either way is good.

[204BJs]

Rays will be eliminated by BoSox. Just another reminder if you can make it in anything can happen. Also another reminder we f***ing didn’t make it in when we should have.

 

So true. f*** we should be there.

[Spanky99]

Franco says not so fast folks!

[John_Havok]

I don’t think it’s dumb really but no need to change it IMO. In the rare case where it goes off Canseco’s head, or bounces off a glove and travels 5ft+ and goes over the fence, it’s a little dumb that its a HR but is what it is. It’s a live ball until it touches the ground…. I do think they’ll look maybe at making scoring a runner on a GRD a judgement call though

 

I don’t think making it a judgement call is a good idea either. With umpires the less judgement they use, the better.

[BigCecil]

We'd have f***ed these teams up, infuriating.

 

Ya. A very good chance anyway. I know you are a glass half full fan but I do believe we are going to look back on ‘21 for a long time as a major lost opportunity with the sheer number of elite seasons that went our way. That…I hope I’m wrong about.

[Spanky99]

Ya. A very good chance anyway. I know you are a glass half full fan but I do believe we are going to look back on ‘21 for a long time as a major lost opportunity with the sheer number of elite seasons that went our way. That…I hope I’m wrong about.

 

Yes, I hope you're incorrect too.

[Stangstag]

Oooo it’s getting exciting

[Effit]

Well well well

[Spanky99]

Mr. October! Way to battle back Rays!

[EdwinsParrot]

whole new game again

[Jays24]

Rayyyyysss... they got this.

[Stangstag]

Oof thats a terrible play by Franco... he had lots of time

[Spanky99]

That wasn't even close, lol.

[BTS]

Oh my god Kiermaier

[Brownie19]

KK is a f***ing god...are you kidding me?

[Abomination]

He was tagged before the base anyway.