Season Over

[Olerud363]

Terrific thread. Lock it please.

 

I am a free speech advocate so am morally opposed to locking threads. However it would be hilarious if it gets locked, and the Jays end up 3 games back later today, and we just have to start a new one (3 games back after today it will be harder to accuse the 'season over' guys of being irrational).

[Olerud363]

This is the Leafs 2.0. Organization lead by Betas.

 

It doesn't work..

 

That's why the season is over. Game 7 2003. Boone is not a beta. Rizzo 2016. Rizzo is not a beta.

[Olerud363]

That's why the season is over. Game 7 2003. Boone is not a beta. Rizzo 2016. Rizzo is not a beta.

 

Fangraphs - Jays 23% chance of making wild card. Yankees 77%.

 

Additional. When adjusting for 'Beta' nature of Charlie and 'not Beta' status of Boone and Rizzo Jays reduced to 0% chance and Yankees raised 100%

[Spanky99]

Holy f***, Olerud. I understand you have a chubbie, but can it. Ughh...

[gruber92]

That's why the season is over. Game 7 2003. Boone is not a beta. Rizzo 2016. Rizzo is not a beta.

 

You're naming players that stepped up. I have zero issues with our player's desire to win, they just need someone to put them in the best position to do so.

[Olerud363]

Holy f***, Olerud. I understand you have a chubbie, but can it. Ughh...

 

Don't blame me. I'm not the one that started this 'Charlie is a beta' s***. I'm egging it on yes, but I've never seriously suggested that Charlie is a beta, or if he was it would hurt the team.

[Olerud363]

You're naming players that stepped up. I have zero issues with our player's desire to win, they just need someone to put them in the best position to do so.

 

But that's why Boone is so good. Obviously not a beta based on 2003. He can tell stories of that to the team and inspire them like Tim Johnson did with his stories of Nam. Rizzo also not a beta (refused the vaccine). Can tell stories of 2016.

[Olerud363]

Did anybody see 'Once upon a time in Queens'. On a serious note well worth watching.

 

Also in it they address a rumor that Kevin Mitchell killed cats.

 

Boone and Rizzo (not betas) - I heard Kevin Mitchell killed a cat. Let's find him and beat the s*** out of him.

 

Charlie (beta) - I'm glad I'm not a cat.

[Stangstag]

But that's why Boone is so good. Obviously not a beta based on 2003. He can tell stories of that to the team and inspire them like Tim Johnson did with his stories of Nam. Rizzo also not a beta (refused the vaccine). Can tell stories of 2016.

 

Boone is just as bad as Charlie idk what you’re talking about

[glory]

Boone is just as bad as Charlie idk what you’re talking about

 

He's also just as hated by Yankees fans as Charlie is by Jays fans.

 

Although no argument on the beta part. If Montoyo even tried to do a "Savages in the box" rant in front of an umpire, it would take him about 10 seconds before he had tears in his eyes and apologized profusely.

[JFD]

The Jays haven't had a tonne of luck with high priced acquisitions in recent decades, that is true. Springer is playing hurt and Ryu to maybe. Hope for rebounds next year.

 

Grichuk is Grichuk, hope for a left handed platoon partner next year. Too bad there isn't a modern day Frank Catalanoto.

 

Frank Catalanoto dunt dunt

 

What a clutch player he was

[Olerud363]

Boone is just as bad as Charlie idk what you’re talking about

 

I guess there is a theory going around that Charlie is a beta and that is causing issues beyond the bad decisions. Hard to quantify how many wins the 'beta' trait costs.

 

Boone may also make bad decisions but isn't a beta. Rizzo definitely isn't a beta.

 

The last week bad decisions haven't been a factor. However one team led by Charlie, a beta, has played like weaklings.

 

Another team, led by Boone and Rizzo (not betas) have dominated and are not just looking to win, but looking to clinch the wild card by Wednesday so Cole has time to prepare for 'Cole vs. Sale'.

[Olerud363]

Frank Catalanoto dunt dunt

 

What a clutch player he was

 

I wonder who the closest equivalent is that is available for 2022.

 

A "Lefty professional hitter"/Randal Grichuk platoon could be decent.

[John_Havok]

I wonder who the closest equivalent is that is available for 2022.

 

A "Lefty professional hitter"/Randal Grichuk platoon could be decent.

 

Didnt they just try this with Dickerson?

[Omar]

These damn frauds! They go on that great run to come from oblivion into a playoff spot scoring 10 runs a game then with 12 days to go they start scoring 1 run a game and lose 3 in a row, 2 to a garbage team with nothing to play for and nothing but bad pitching. What a shame to get us all excited just to s*** the bed in the end!!

 

Speaking of frauds weren't you the one earlier in the season bitching about Robbie Ray?

 

Yeah you were....

 

It's not bad enough that he pulls him, to bring in ROBBIE RAY the walk machine and his 7.00 ERA???????????? ARE YOU F'N KIDDING ME??????

[Olerud363]

Didnt they just try this with Dickerson?

 

Good point. And Dickerson isn't doing horrible. It would be nice if his on base were a bit higher but Dickerson/Grichuk isn't a terrible platoon.

 

It would be nice to have 3 lefties in the lineup against righties next year

 

cf Springer

ss Bichette

1b Guerrero

Dh Lefty masher

rf Hernandez

lf Gurriel

2b Biggio

3b another lefty

c Kirk/Jansen

[Olerud363]

Good point. And Dickerson isn't doing horrible. It would be nice if his on base were a bit higher but Dickerson/Grichuk isn't a terrible platoon.

 

It would be nice to have 3 lefties in the lineup against righties next year

 

cf Springer

ss Bichette

1b Guerrero

Dh Lefty masher

rf Hernandez

lf Gurriel

2b Biggio

3b another lefty

c Kirk/Jansen

 

Line up doesn't look bad even without Semien. Need 2 guys, lefty masher and lefty 3rd basemen. Preferably both get on base at a nice clip.

[John_Havok]

Good point. And Dickerson isn't doing horrible. It would be nice if his on base were a bit higher but Dickerson/Grichuk isn't a terrible platoon.

 

It would be nice to have 3 lefties in the lineup against righties next year

 

cf Springer

ss Bichette

1b Guerrero

Dh Lefty masher

rf Hernandez

lf Gurriel

2b Biggio

3b another lefty

c Kirk/Jansen

 

So lets just wrap it up with Freddie Freeman and Corey Seager and call it a World Series appearance. Done.

[DigitalRock]

These damn frauds! They go on that great run to come from oblivion into a playoff spot scoring 10 runs a game then with 12 days to go they start scoring 1 run a game and lose 3 in a row, 2 to a garbage team with nothing to play for and nothing but bad pitching. What a shame to get us all excited just to s*** the bed in the end!!

 

Lol

[DigitalRock]

This must be the yearly troll thread

[JFD]

Good point. And Dickerson isn't doing horrible. It would be nice if his on base were a bit higher but Dickerson/Grichuk isn't a terrible platoon.

 

It would be nice to have 3 lefties in the lineup against righties next year

 

cf Springer

ss Bichette

1b Guerrero

Dh Lefty masher

rf Hernandez

lf Gurriel

2b Biggio

3b another lefty

c Kirk/Jansen

 

What would it cost to get Winker.

 

Maybe Gurriel and his cost controlled contract would be of interest to the Reds

[John_Havok]

What would it cost to get Winker.

 

Maybe Gurriel and his cost controlled contract would be of interest to the Reds

 

Great target, but the real question is why would the Reds be trading one of their best assets when he is also still a few years from free agency (2024), and they themselves are trying to make the last push to get into the playoffs in the next few years?

[Olerud363]

Great target, but the real question is why would the Reds be trading one of their best assets when he is also still a few years from free agency (2024), and they themselves are trying to make the last push to get into the playoffs in the next few years?

 

Some trade targets

 

Josh Bell - switch hitter has played a little of outfield too, DH/1b/OF

 

Adam Frazier/Jake Cronenworth - I heard some saying the Padres messed up by acquiring Frazier because it created some positional uncertainty. Maybe the Padres will be looking to reconfigure this. Cronwenworth has like 5 years control left at 27 so would be expensive.

[Stangstag]

EVERYONE RELAX

 

Jays are still in this. Win today and tomorrow, then take 2/3 from the Yankees.

 

BELIEVE

[John_Havok]

EVERYONE RELAX

 

Jays are still in this. Win today and tomorrow, then take 2/3 from the Yankees.

 

BELIEVE

 

I dont see many panicking except one or two trolls. The conversation about next years holes is gonna happen whether they make it in or not.

[Olerud363]

EVERYONE RELAX

 

Jays are still in this. Win today and tomorrow, then take 2/3 from the Yankees.

 

BELIEVE

 

Charlie - it's been a positive season no matter what.

 

Wilner - it's early

 

Stagstag - Everyone Relax. Believe

 

There are positive voices out there if you know where to listen

[gruber92]

So lets just wrap it up with Freddie Freeman and Corey Seager and call it a World Series appearance. Done.

 

Is Schwarber a FA this year?

 

edit.. Just checked, mutual option 2021, FA 2022.

 

He signed a 1/10 this year, unreal. Grichuk was signed for?

[gruber92]

Although he's not a LHH, i would seriously look into signing Starling Marte in the off season. He'll be 33 later this year. What would it take to sign him, 3/60?

[JuniorFelix54]

Am I missing something? The team is two games behind NY, plays them three times, and their other 6 games are against the Orioles and Twins. It wouldn’t take a miracle run to get in.

 

HA, you say that as if they didn't just lose 2 in a row to the Twins scoring a grand total of 3 runs. That's the whole point the schedule was completely in their favor and they blew it.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Schwarber would be a great add for a 4th OF and DH option. That power LHB would be great.

 

I wonder if you could send Grichuk back to Minny in a Donaldson trade instead of having them eat some of JDs contract.

 

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I think Semien is a goner if he gets a decent offer from a team in Cali. Get JD at 3B and put Biggio back at 2B to see if he rebounds.

 

I mean I'd rather land a stud like Ramirez for 3B but that acquisition cost would be brutal. JD would be so much cheaper and in 2 years you can let him walk and hope Groshans or Orelvis can take over by then.