GDT | 2021 First-Year Player Draft | Day 1 | July 11 — 7:00 PM ET

[Slade]

How did Joe Mack last this long? Usually with a high school guy you wonder about signability, but that clearly can't be a concern if he's attending the draft.

 

Probably was signability, he went to a team with multiple picks.

[TwistedLogic]

Probably was signability, he went to a team with multiple picks.

 

Right, but they picked Watson earlier. No chance they're saving money on that pick.

 

Also wow, Watson and Mack with picks 16 and 31. Marlins have to be the early "Day 1" winners.

[Slade]

There goes Rod Blacks son.

[Slade]

Right, but they picked Watson earlier. No chance they're saving money on that pick.

 

Also wow, Watson and Mack with picks 16 and 31. Marlins have to be the early "Day 1" winners.

 

Watson said he got a great deal so who knows.

[AMS528]

I looked at this website and I don't know how accurate it is, but it says there are only two Max Muncy's in the country.

 

http://howmanyofme.com/search/

 

That's incredibly f***ing weird. That the only two Max Muncy's that exist both play professional based, are both born on August 25th, and were both drafted by the Oakland A's. Just a remarkably unlikely set of coincidences.

[metafour]

How did Joe Mack last this long? Usually with a high school guy you wonder about signability, but that clearly can't be a concern if he's attending the draft.

 

Joe Mack went about where his range suggested - he was a late 1st round pick in most rankings. He didn't really fall or anything.

[TwistedLogic]

Joe Mack went about where his range suggested - he was a late 1st round pick in most rankings. He didn't really fall or anything.

 

Gotcha.

[Krylian]

Hoglund ceiling: back of the rotation guy plus TJS

 

That's his floor

[Krylian]

Gunnar Hoglund sounds like a good hockey name

 

Jonas?

[Krylian]

I looked at this website and I don't know how accurate it is, but it says there are only two Max Muncy's in the country.

 

http://howmanyofme.com/search/

 

That's incredibly f***ing weird. That the only two Max Muncy's that exist both play professional based, are both born on August 25th, and were both drafted by the Oakland A's. Just a remarkably unlikely set of coincidences.

 

I would've thrown $20 down on that in Vegas.

[Ray]

Q: How high would Hoglund have gone if he didn’t have TJ?

 

Eric Longenhagen: 6-10 range

[BlueRocky]

 

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[43211234]

Surgery was in May, so he should be good to go right out of the shoot or miss a few weeks worst case.

 

I wouldn't count on it.

 

TJS is more like 15-18 months these days. I would not be surprised if he didn't have any professional innings in 2022

[Brownie19]

Gunnar Hoglund sounds like a good hockey name

 

You're thinking of Gunnar Stahl in D2...quack, quack, quack!

[G-Snarls]

Baseball America:

 

19. Blue Jays

 

 

Pick: Gunnar Hoglund

School: Mississippi

Position: RHP

 

Instant Analysis: With the 19th overall pick, the Blue Jays get the No. 19 player on the BA 500 in Hoglund. Until he had Tommy John surgery this spring, Hoglund looked like a potential top-10 pick, so the Blue Jays are getting a talented pitcher with a strong track record when healthy, but they will have to be patient for him to return at some point next summer.

 

Scouting Report: A supplemental first-round pick of the Pirates in 2018 after he went 7-0, 0.27 at Fivay High in Hudson, Fla., Hoglund’s command has long stood out. It made him an immediate contributor at Ole Miss, and it has helped him be one of the best pitchers in the Southeastern Conference in 2020 and 2021. Hoglund’s 2021 season came to a premature end when he blew out his pitching elbow in his May 7 start against Texas A&M. His rehab from Tommy John surgery means he’ll be sidelined until midway through 2022, and it likely ended any chance he had of being a top-10 pick. But Hoglund’s body of work (154 innings in three years at Ole Miss) gives teams a lot of comfort with who Hoglund is—a relatively safe starting pitcher with plus command who has the ability to throw three pitches for strikes no matter what the count. Hoglund came into 2021 viewed as a starter likely to be taken in the back of the first round, but he quickly showed improved stuff. Hoglund had touched 95 mph going back to high school, but he generally sat 90-92. This year, he sat 92-94 mph. His slider got a little harder and sharper as well. Hoglund has shown he can spot his above-average fastball to the arm side or glove side, but he generally aims to keep his fastball away—he’ll work glove side to righthanders and arm side to lefties. He consistently wins at 0-0 in the count, getting ahead which means he can then attack righties with his above-average, 80-84 mph slider, again generally staying away. Lefties have to worry about his low-80s, above-average changeup, but he’s also shown he’s comfortable working in on their hands with his slider. It’s that ability to spot all three pitches and avoid the heart of the plate that is key to his success. Even after his elbow injury, he’s seen as a low-risk surefire starter with a consistent, easy delivery.

[Spanky99]

Tbf they need it

 

No doubt.

[G-Snarls]

Don't worry about that, Tampa sucks at drafting.

 

Good thing they're good at trades

 

Tampa's last 10 first round draft picks:

 

2011 James Harris

2012 Richie Shaffer

2013 Nick Ciuffo

2013 Ryne Stanek

2014 Casey Gillaspie

2015 Garrett Whitley

2016 Josh Lowe

2017 Brendan McKay

2018 Matthew Liberatore

2019 Greg Jones

2020 Nick Bitsko

[Spanky99]

Watson to Jays pls

 

Close but no cigar, I'm fine with Hoglund. I fell asleep, too tired to watch it.

[TwistedLogic]

Good thing they're good at trades

 

Tampa's last 10 first round draft picks:

 

2011 James Harris

2012 Richie Shaffer

2013 Nick Ciuffo

2013 Ryne Stanek

2014 Casey Gillaspie

2015 Garrett Whitley

2016 Josh Lowe

2017 Brendan McKay

2018 Matthew Liberatore

2019 Greg Jones

2020 Nick Bitsko

 

Yeah, they're among the worst drafting teams in all of sports. It's actually shocking how pathetic their drafting is for such an advanced organization.

 

Or maybe it's fitting? The most analytically driven team being bad at scouting almost makes sense.

[Spanky99]

Who’s the BJMB pick?

 

Hoglunds ceiling is too hard for me to ignore. He would be my pick if he’s still on the board.

 

Yippee!

[Spanky99]

You guys know most of these players are going to bust, right?

 

Mrs. Debbie Downer.

[Spanky99]

Hoglund ceiling: back of the rotation guy plus TJS

 

lol... shut up Ang.

[Laika]

Good thing they're good at trades

 

Tampa's last 10 first round draft picks:

 

2011 James Harris

2012 Richie Shaffer

2013 Nick Ciuffo

2013 Ryne Stanek

2014 Casey Gillaspie

2015 Garrett Whitley

2016 Josh Lowe

2017 Brendan McKay

2018 Matthew Liberatore

2019 Greg Jones

2020 Nick Bitsko

 

2011 to 2015 = bad results

2016 to 2020 = too early to tell. some of those guys could still be studs.

[Spanky99]

Surgery was in May, so he should be good to go right out of the shoot or miss a few weeks worst case.

 

This is false Gruber, a reliever can make it back in 12 months at best, a starter you're looking at 18 months, normally.