ShOuLd ThE bLuE jAyS sIgN aLbErT pUjOlS?

[BlueRocky]

They only team that should sign him is a young American league team that has no shot at playoffs and could use his mentorship to help grow their players.... Baltimore

 

Miami would love his vetrin presence

[DigitalRock]

They shouldn't but i'd be ok with it F it.

[metafour]

Just seeing his on-field interactions with Espinal and Travis shows what kind of guy he is

 

LMAO.

 

Hall of Famer enjoys getting his ego carressesed as young players come up to him to proclaim their admiration and respect for him. You think THAT makes him a "great guy"? Literally anyone in his position would LOVE to "interact" with random young players who are essentially treating you as some sort of "godlike" figure.

 

That is your barometer? He talks to young players and ipso-facto, that means he's a great clubhouse guy and "mentor"?

[Boxcar]

Should they?

 

Absolutely not.

 

Do I kinda want them to?

 

Yes. Yes, I do.

 

It's hard to believe that Pujols is a slam dunk hall of famer. He's been bad for so long, I can't remember him being good.

 

How about that contract. He ended up having a single above average season with the Angels.

[Jays24]

LMAO.

 

Hall of Famer enjoys getting his ego carressesed as young players come up to him to proclaim their admiration and respect for him. You think THAT makes him a "great guy"? Literally anyone in his position would LOVE to "interact" with random young players who are essentially treating you as some sort of "godlike" figure.

 

That is your barometer? He talks to young players and ipso-facto, that means he's a great clubhouse guy and "mentor"?

 

That might not make him a great clubhouse guy/mentor but it clearly makes him an idol to many. That alone makes his words much more impactful by comparison.

 

Also, I haven't follow Pujols like TMZ but there would be many stories out there of him as a locker room cancer despite his talent. Players like to learn from someone who has been there and done that so what better person fits that criteria?

 

I'm not even saying the Jays must go out there and sign him. Taking up a valuable roster spot should mean you provide more to the team than just these intangible skills. Denying that these intangible skills dont exist seems foolish though.

[Pendleton]

It's hard to believe that Pujols is a slam dunk hall of famer. He's been bad for so long, I can't remember him being good.

 

How about that contract. He ended up having a single above average season with the Angels.

 

It's a bit frustrating to think about what else they could have done with that money during these years of Trout's greatness.

[TwistedLogic]

It's hard to believe that Pujols is a slam dunk hall of famer. He's been bad for so long, I can't remember him being good.

 

How about that contract. He ended up having a single above average season with the Angels.

 

It's pretty bonkers that he could have retired after 2016 with 90.3 WAR and now he's at 87.0.

 

Ken Griffey Jr had something similar IIRC where he could have played 5 or 6 less years and had a higher career WAR.

[metafour]

That might not make him a great clubhouse guy/mentor but it clearly makes him an idol to many. That alone makes his words much more impactful by comparison.

 

But exactly what "wisdom" is he going to share that is going to make it worth carrying a useless player on the roster? Just one page ago someone posted a video of him getting thrown out trying to tag up in a 2-run game - a guy who's ancient and can barely move does something so asinine that had it been a rookie or lesser known player, they would have been berated by the coaching staff. But because its "Albert Pujols" we need to come up with non-quantifiable "qualities" he's supposedly bringing to the team. Shouldn't someone of his caliber/experience KNOW that he can't do something that stupid? So if he himself can't make that judgment call, how/what is he supposed to "mentor" a younger player on?

[G-Snarls]

It's pretty bonkers that he could have retired after 2016 with 90.3 WAR and now he's at 87.0.

 

Ken Griffey Jr had something similar IIRC where he could have played 5 or 6 less years and had a higher career WAR.

 

A decade long peak as good as those two gets you into the Hall of Fame.

 

But yeah, the tail end of both careers wasn't great

Edited May 10, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Brownie19]

That might not make him a great clubhouse guy/mentor but it clearly makes him an idol to many. That alone makes his words much more impactful by comparison.

 

Also, I haven't follow Pujols like TMZ but there would be many stories out there of him as a locker room cancer despite his talent. Players like to learn from someone who has been there and done that so what better person fits that criteria?

 

I'm not even saying the Jays must go out there and sign him. Taking up a valuable roster spot should mean you provide more to the team than just these intangible skills. Denying that these intangible skills dont exist seems foolish though.

 

Then hire him as a coach. He can hang out with Dante on the bench.

[Terminator]

Remember when we thought Russell Martin was a great mentor? Only to hear Danny Jansen talk about how Luke Maile worked with him and helped him way more than Martin ever did.

 

Assuming great players are good role models, teachers and mentors is a fallacy.

 

The best example of this is when AA, who inexplicably used the 25th roster spot on washed up vets, signed Omar Vizquel who put up -0.9 WAR in 150 ABs. If I remember it correctly, it was later revealed that he carried a "get off my lawn" type of attitude while with the team and was also accused of multiple domestic violence incidences.

[wilko]

I'd take Pujols if he steals Montoyo's job.

[G-Snarls]

The best example of this is when AA, who inexplicably used the 25th roster spot on washed up vets, signed Omar Vizquel who put up -0.9 WAR in 150 ABs. If I remember it correctly, it was later revealed that he carried a "get off my lawn" type of attitude while with the team and was also accused of multiple domestic violence incidences.

 

DeRosa was definitely the better "glue guy"

 

If such things matter at all and they probably don't

[Stangstag]

DeRosa was definitely the better "glue guy"

 

If such things matter at all and they probably don't

 

I mean... im sure it matters a bit. Nobody likes working with a bunch of *******s.

[Brownie19]

I mean... im sure it matters a bit. Nobody likes working with a bunch of *******s.

 

I think the issue is that the environment you're in often creates the results - and not being an ******* is a pretty low bar. An aging veterin is with a team for a few years, producing on the bench for a very good young team that has success. Maybe he has a lot in common with some of the younger players, he's comfortable in the environment, earns their respect and becomes a great mentor for them. He develops a reputation as being a great veterin.

 

That veterin becomes a FA and is signed to play a similar role on a new team. However this team isn't nearly as successful, they have a rash of injuries and this veterin is pushed into an extended role where he isn't nearly as successful. It's this first year on the team, he doesn't know anyone that well, doesn't have a lot in common with the younger players on that team and isn't performing on the field. Now he's probably worried about keeping his job in general and probably isn't providing any of the mentorship they thought they'd get from him.

 

I mean good luck replicating that type of relationship with some old veterin you're bringing in for a year or two. Foolish stuff IMO.

[Dick_Pole]

Sign him if he promises to go into the HOF as a Jay. We need some equalization on that front with what has happened.

[Jimcanuck]

Team morale, "togetherness", is overrated everywhere and probably the least of what one looks for when building a sports team. Plenty of baseball *******s have won World Series. Jackson and Martin were at each others throats half the time, and they still won.

 

Actually the bigger the *******, the more hungry to beat the piss out of the other team.

[Pendleton]

https://www.audacy.com/sportsradio610/sports/mlb/albert-pujols-feuded-with-joe-maddon-before-release-report

 

Pujols reportedly had a heated exchange with Maddon the day before his release

[Brownie19]

https://www.audacy.com/sportsradio610/sports/mlb/albert-pujols-feuded-with-joe-maddon-before-release-report

 

Pujols reportedly had a heated exchange with Maddon the day before his release

 

I thought he was pissed he wasn't starting v. Yarbourgh, who he's crushed historically.

[G-Snarls]

I thought he was pissed he wasn't starting v. Yarbourgh, who he's crushed historically.

 

The whole story is emerging a few bits at a time

Edited May 12, 2021 by G-Snarls

[Spanky99]

I thought he was pissed he wasn't starting v. Yarbourgh, who he's crushed historically.

 

Just an extra wrinkle, Maddon told him it was the FO decision, and he lost it on them, lol. Seems AP's self awareness is null and void.

[G-Snarls]

Just an extra wrinkle, Maddon told him it was the FO decision, and he lost it on them, lol. Seems AP's self awareness is null and void.

 

He must not look at his Fangraphs page very often...

[Spanky99]

He must not look at his Fangraphs page ever...

 

Ftfy...

[Brownie19]

Just an extra wrinkle, Maddon told him it was the FO decision, and he lost it on them, lol. Seems AP's self awareness is null and void.

 

Sounds like he'd be a great influence on the younger generation . It's hard to fathom that he doesn't realize how f***ing horrendous he is at baseball now. I guess I can appreciate he'd like to be in there against probably the only pitcher in baseball that he still has success against, but trying to tag and take an extra base on a routine fly to LF? As you said - self awareness is negative 7.

[wilko]

It's sad to see him leave baseball this way but Pujols did this to himself. He let himself fade into a terrible player with a disgusting contract. The contract isn't his fault but the Angels should have worked something out a few years ago to get him off the books.

[Sammy225]

I mean if you can use him like panda but only against LHP. I don't think he should ever see a RHP again, i don't know many teams though that would be willing to put a DH only player against LHP only on their bench.

 

That could be the only value he could provide

[G-Snarls]

It's sad to see him leave baseball this way but Pujols did this to himself. He let himself fade into a terrible player with a disgusting contract. The contract isn't his fault but the Angels should have worked something out a few years ago to get him off the books.

 

Yes

 

They should have bought him out like 2 off seasons ago

[Brownie19]

I mean if you can use him like panda but only against LHP. I don't think he should ever see a RHP again, i don't know many teams though that would be willing to put a DH only player against LHP only on their bench.

 

That could be the only value he could provide

 

You may want to look past the 28 PA's he's had v. LHP this year...

 

[EastCoaster]

Albert Pujols and the Los Angeles Dodgers has agreed to one year deal according to multiple sources since the Angles are responsible for most of his 10 millions dollars deal the Dodgers will only have to pay him league minimum. Many have openly criticized the Angles for the shameful handling of a future first ballot HOF player in Pujols now the countdown towards 700 continues. I truly think the Blue Jays should've tried to sign him for his leadership role and mentor for Vladdy.

[Captain Adama]

Albert Pujols and the Los Angeles Dodgers has agreed to one year deal according to multiple sources since the Angles are responsible for most of his 10 millions dollars deal the Dodgers will only have to pay him league minimum. Many have openly criticized the Angles for the shameful handling of a future first ballot HOF player in Pujols now the countdown towards 700 continues. I truly think the Blue Jays should've tried to sign him for his leadership role and mentor for Vladdy.

 

I thought everyone learned this lesson that vetrin presents =/= good leadership role.