General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2021)

[Spanky99]

Those are the two I use.

 

I enjoy that site for in game information, they've been around a while now.

[Grant77]

The league negotiations have given us a bit of clarity regarding the roster.

 

1. The season will start on time, so that may push ahead free agent timelines a bit.

 

2. There will be 26 man rosters, so we can plan for an 8 man bullpen again.

 

3. Most interestingly, there will be no DH in the NL. We know that Atkins has serious interest in a DH bat. Does he now circle back to Ozuna or Cruz and revisit whatever trade talks he had for Tellez/Grichuk/Gurriel/Hernandez at the time of the Brantley signing?

[Spanky99]

The league negotiations have given us a bit of clarity regarding the roster.

 

1. The season will start on time, so that may push ahead free agent timelines a bit.

 

2. There will be 26 man rosters, so we can plan for an 8 man bullpen again.

 

3. Most interestingly, there will be no DH in the NL. We know that Atkins has serious interest in a DH bat. Does he now circle back to Ozuna or Cruz and revisit whatever trade talks he had for Tellez/Grichuk/Gurriel/Hernandez at the time of the Brantley signing?

 

Wait, Atkins has a serious interest in a DH bat? What?

 

They've signed Semien since then, we need a SP.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I can see Vladdy, Tellez and Hernandez all getting a lot of AB's as DH this season with the roster as it stands. Plus Gurriel, Jansen, Kirk, Springer and Semien might get some AB's as DH as well. I don't see how Atkins could possibly be in the market for a DH bat right now.

[G-Snarls]

The league negotiations have given us a bit of clarity regarding the roster.

 

1. The season will start on time, so that may push ahead free agent timelines a bit.

 

2. There will be 26 man rosters, so we can plan for an 8 man bullpen again.

 

3. Most interestingly, there will be no DH in the NL. We know that Atkins has serious interest in a DH bat. Does he now circle back to Ozuna or Cruz and revisit whatever trade talks he had for Tellez/Grichuk/Gurriel/Hernandez at the time of the Brantley signing?

 

I think Grichuk /Tellez/Vlad/Kirk can all get at bats in the DH spot this year. I don't see us signing a full time DH.

[HypeLikeJoseCruzJr.]

Ya, we are swimming in bats, and especially DH-eligible bats. Only need now is SP and perhaps a nasty setup guy

[Ex Player]

Ya, we are swimming in bats, and especially DH-eligible bats. Only need now is SP and perhaps a nasty setup guy

Romano??

[wilko]

Ya, we are swimming in bats, and especially DH-eligible bats. Only need now is SP and perhaps a nasty setup guy

 

[Jays24]

I think Grichuk /Tellez/Vlad/Kirk can all get at bats in the DH spot this year. I don't see us signing a full time DH.

 

Ya if we are able to pass players through a DH position, that is the best case scenario. Having a dedicated DH sucks unless the player is a game changer.

[G-Snarls]

Ya if we are able to pass players through a DH position, that is the best case scenario. Having a dedicated DH sucks unless the player is a game changer.

 

Right

 

Which Nelly Cruz is

 

But we have bigger needs

[Jays24]

Right

 

Which Nelly Cruz is

 

But we have bigger needs

 

Ya thats where I was going because we don't have an endless budget. I think almost everyone wants a SP to go with Ryu. After that its debatable and for me it would be a 3rd Baseman or another reliever.

[Grant77]

Wait, Atkins has a serious interest in a DH bat? What?

 

They've signed Semien since then, we need a SP.

 

If you believe the Brantley rumours then they certainly do. His defensive profile differs little from Ozuna.

 

I wasn't advocating that we sign a DH, but there appeared to be interest from our FO in doing so.

[glory]

If the roster stays as is, then how they use the DH spot will depend on how much they like Tellez because right now that's his only spot with Vlad at 1B. Against a LHP we will probably see Hernandez at DH and Grichuk in RF to get the better defensive lineup in there, but against righties I would imagine Tellez will get the bulk there unless they are not sold on his 2020 and will use him more situationally.

 

Either way, I expect a lot of different lineups to be used in 2021.

[Jays24]

If the roster stays as is, then how they use the DH spot will depend on how much they like Tellez because right now that's his only spot with Vlad at 1B. Against a LHP we will probably see Hernandez at DH and Grichuk in RF to get the better defensive lineup in there, but against righties I would imagine Tellez will get the bulk there unless they are not sold on his 2020 and will use him more situationally.

 

Either way, I expect a lot of different lineups to be used in 2021.

 

That's pretty much it. If things stay as is, we are going to platoon Grichuk/Tellez. It's an awesome luxury that we haven't had in a long time with players of this calibre (assuming 2020 Tellez was real).

 

And to be real, there are always injuries so these guys will probably be playing full time for different parts of the season.

[Spanky99]

If you believe the Brantley rumours then they certainly do. His defensive profile differs little from Ozuna.

 

I wasn't advocating that we sign a DH, but there appeared to be interest from our FO in doing so.

 

Right, but Semien has signed on since then, we need a decent SP, I'm pretty sure that's priority ATM.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Man, I hope they can get Rosenthal inked to a deal.

 

Great career K and BB rates, and over 130 saves. It'd be nice to have 2-3 options to close games in case of injury, and if every one actually stays relatively healthy then you have a lights out high leverage bullpen. Plus then you shouldn't have to worry about Montoyo trotting your closer out there 3 games in a row or until the poor bastards arm falls off.

 

Yates

Rosenthal

Romano

Dolis

Borucki

 

 

Pretty solid group right there to anchor the BP.

[Jays24]

Man, I hope they can get Rosenthal inked to a deal.

 

Great career K and BB rates, and over 130 saves. It'd be nice to have 2-3 options to close games in case of injury, and if every one actually stays relatively healthy then you have a lights out high leverage bullpen. Plus then you shouldn't have to worry about Montoyo trotting your closer out there 3 games in a row or until the poor bastards arm falls off.

 

Yates

Rosenthal

Romano

Dolis

Borucki

 

 

Pretty solid group right there to anchor the BP.

 

I'm extremely high on Merryweather after seeing his stuff last season. If the man can stay healthy, he will be a HUGE part of the bullpen.

[Eat My Shatkins]

I'm extremely high on Merryweather after seeing his stuff last season. If the man can stay healthy, he will be a HUGE part of the bullpen.

 

I agree. If they kept him in the pen and signed Rosenthal, there would be a s*** ton of opposition strike outs from the 6th inning on with that group of relievers. Only thing missing is a proven stud lefty, but hopefully Borucki can turn into that, and/or maybe even Mayza will come back strong from his TJS.

[Jays24]

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/mlb/2021/1/28/22253465/toronto-blue-jays-george-springer-marcus-semien-vlad-guerrero-jr

 

Ringer article about the Jays.

[jerb]

 

Scott Mitchell

@ScottyMitchTSN

 

#BlueJays have not formally announced 2021 coaching staff just yet, but I’m hearing Dante Bichette won’t have as big of a presence this year, no travel, etc.

His decision and he’ll still be around in some sort of advisor role.

[Ray]

Law is maintaining that Biggio isn’t worth a roster spot in his periscope today.

 

https://www.pscp.tv/TheAthletic/1OdKrVNNaVvKX (around the 34:30 mark)

[wilko]

Law is maintaining that Biggio isn’t worth a roster spot in his periscope today.

 

https://www.pscp.tv/TheAthletic/1OdKrVNNaVvKX (around the 34:30 mark)

 

Periscope is still a thing? Also, Law is an idiot manchild.

[Deadpool]

Law is maintaining that Biggio isn’t worth a roster spot in his periscope today.

 

https://www.pscp.tv/TheAthletic/1OdKrVNNaVvKX (around the 34:30 mark)

 

ZiPS projects 3.2 WAR, and he's not worth a roster spot? Sure thing, Keef.

[keggy]

Law is maintaining that Biggio isn’t worth a roster spot in his periscope today.

 

https://www.pscp.tv/TheAthletic/1OdKrVNNaVvKX (around the 34:30 mark)

 

He likes to speak in absolutes, which is a terrible trait for a statistician or a baseball scout for that matter. He should've been a defense lawyer or politician.

[Grant77]

Right, but Semien has signed on since then, we need a decent SP, I'm pretty sure that's priority ATM.

 

I'm not sure that signing Semien has anything to do with it, as they were going to address 3B either way. It seems obvious to me that they wanted to add a veteran bat at DH and trade someone else.

[RobinThicc]

The way the roster is built, seems lile the DH will be used as a rotating spot.

 

Getting a DH only guy doesnt make sense.

[Spanky99]

I'm not sure that signing Semien has anything to do with it, as they were going to address 3B either way. It seems obvious to me that they wanted to add a veteran bat at DH and trade someone else.

 

Okay, Grant. They want Cruz or Ozuna.

[Grant77]

Okay, Grant. They want Cruz or Ozuna.

 

Don't be patronizing. I was just sharing the facts of the situation.

[Jimcanuck]

I'm not sure that signing Semien has anything to do with it, as they were going to address 3B either way. It seems obvious to me that they wanted to add a veteran bat at DH and trade someone else.

 

Just one of many possible options. I doubt Shatkins is ever locked into a specific path.

 

The fact they are apparently enquiring on everyone makes clear they are keeping all options open.

[Spanky99]

Don't be patronizing. I was just sharing the facts of the situation.

 

As was I, yet you continue? This team isn't circling back for no DH, Grant. Semien took away any option at 3rd or DH, happy. They'll move to SP.