WSCS ... Rays @ Dodgers! GO RAYSGO!!!

[connorp]

King managed to offer an opinion on one of the biggest stories (sadly) to come out of the world series without making it political or attacking another poster. It really shouldn't be that difficult.

 

Ignorance is bliss I guess. It was politically charged. Although name calling isn’t allowed, politically charged posts were eliminated because that’s the type of response they solicited. L54 could’ve found a more articulate way to call him out though, sure

[Laika]

Ignorance is bliss I guess. It was politically charged. Although name calling isn’t allowed, politically charged posts were eliminated because that’s the type of response they solicited. L54 could’ve found a more articulate way to call him out though, sure

 

King's post is allowable despite the flavour (and his opinions showing through) because it was directly related to baseball. It's a baseball + Covid story.

 

L54's replies were not fine. They were basically name calling with a little bit of fair opinion hidden underneath the flaming. Stupid posts!

 

The floor is open for someone to respond rationally to King's post, if they are capable. Any response should stick to Turner and MLB's actions though. This isn't the place to just argue about Covid death rates etc.

[The Cats Ass]

99.98%

 

Is that a lot or no?

 

I'm not sure you know how percentages work?

 

I think you mean 97.4%

[connorp]

There’s nobody wrong on the Snell thing. There’s clearly two legit sides to it. Giving Anderson the call is the biggest issue. Tampa can say how good he was in the last year + but they also ignored very relevant recent data that suggested the probability of success wouldn’t be the same. The latter makes them come off as stuck in their ways, almost like the opposite- someone stuck in their anti-sabr ways

[wilko]

You might like the post but it is a summary of what the poster heard on the radio. How can that be the post of the year? The standards for our BJMB Awards are really slipping.

 

Post of the year.

[connorp]

King's post is allowable despite the flavour (and his opinions showing through) because it was directly related to baseball. It's a baseball + Covid story.

 

L54's replies were not fine. They were basically name calling with a little bit of fair opinion hidden underneath the flaming. Stupid posts!

 

The floor is open for someone to respond rationally to King's post, if they are capable. Any response should stick to Turner and MLB's actions though. This isn't the place to just argue about Covid death rates etc.

 

I can dig this much more than BTS response. Good save

[Stangstag]

What do all you Kevin Cash butt munchers think about this video:

 

 

He goes over so many reasons why pulling Snell for Anderson was indefensibly stupid

[Brownie19]

What do all you Kevin Cash butt munchers think about this video:

 

 

He goes over so many reasons why pulling Snell for Anderson was indefensibly stupid

 

If nothing else...doesn't this just show how much of this decision was made with Kevin Cash's gut instinct in lieu of the analytical data? I find it very ironic that 'most' who s*** on him did so because he didn't use his eyes or gut and assumed it was a computer telling him to make that move - when in reality, the computer would have told him to leave Snell in.

 

Jomboy also cherry picked some of the 3rd time through numbers (using avg/obp/slug). In 2019, Snell's TTO numbers clearly got worse. wOBA, FIP, xFIP, BB/9, K/9, WHIP, etc - however, it shouldn't be surprising that TB (or any ML team) may use different metrics to make that decision than was Jomboy considers. That said, I did find it interesting that Betts's numbers suggest he does worse the 3rd time he sees a pitcher. I wonder how many AB's that's based off.

Edited October 29, 2020 by Brownie19

[The Cats Ass]

How does this compare to Buck Showalter not using Britton in the extra innings playoff game?

[Jimcanuck]

How does this compare to Buck Showalter not using Britton in the extra innings playoff game?

 

Buck's non-use is indefensible. Kevin's move is slightly defensible.

[Laika]

There’s nobody wrong on the Snell thing. There’s clearly two legit sides to it. Giving Anderson the call is the biggest issue. Tampa can say how good he was in the last year + but they also ignored very relevant recent data that suggested the probability of success wouldn’t be the same. The latter makes them come off as stuck in their ways, almost like the opposite- someone stuck in their anti-sabr ways

 

Anderson's sudden decline in the playoffs was so bizarre. Cash might have just assumed, to the bitter end, that it was nothing but randomness.

[King]

Snell move was strange in part to me because Cash left Glasnow out to dry for 110 pitches a few games prior, when he clearly didn't have it.

[Laika]

Kevin Cash messed up, at some point, no matter how you slice it.

 

Maybe it was pulling Snell too early in game 6. Maybe it was going to Nick Anderson in game 6. Maybe it was leaving Glasnow in way too long in game 1.

 

With the Snell/Anderson decision his brain is probably thinking - "It's Mookie Betts. With a man on I'd prefer a RHRP in this spot, especially considering this is Snell's third time through the order. I know Snell is dealing but I think whether or not a SP is dealing can be a mirage. I know Anderson has been bad this postseason but the sample size is small and he is our best projected RHRP."

 

With the Glasnow decision he admitted to leaving him in because he thought, despite the pitch count, that Glasnow was their best chance to get some specific key strikeouts. He might have also been thinking about the series as a whole and acting on a desire to not burn through his pen in game 1.

 

It's tough to see how the Glasnow and Snell decisions make sense together and they probably don't. BUT it's easy to appreciate how hard it is for a manager to make these decisions. All the data in the world can actually make managerial decisions even harder and we can probably appreciate this from the above. A human being still needs to make the call, in a pretty short decision window, of what to do. Cash needs to wrap his head around Snell's talent going forward in that situation, Anderson's projected talent, etc. Things develop quickly. If Barnes doesn't single to CF maybe Snell pitches two more complete innings.

[connorp]

Anderson's sudden decline in the playoffs was so bizarre. Cash might have just assumed, to the bitter end, that it was nothing but randomness.

 

Yeah it comes off to me as a stubbornness “we’re going to keep doing what got us here no matter what” instead of “we’re going to do whatever gives us the best chance to win”. I can get on board with bucking traditionalism if it’s the latter but really feels like the former

[connorp]

Curious if he’d go to Anderson in a hypothetical Game 9, similar situation

[Stangstag]

Curious if he’d go to Anderson in a hypothetical Game 9, similar situation

 

Probably, he might've even gone to Anderson in a hypothetical game 13

[43211234]

How does this compare to Buck Showalter not using Britton in the extra innings playoff game?

 

I don't think there is any argument where choosing to put the best reliever from the regular season into a playoff elimination game is a worse decision than deciding to not put the best reliever from the regular season into a playoff elimination game.

[G-Snarls]

Regular season Anderson did not = post season Anderson and everyone knew it