Jays fire Hentgan, Huckaby and Quantrill

[dineke]

Actually Shatkins misread the market badly too. Hope you remember us running to sign Morales asap. We all know how that signing worked out for us.

 

Glad they didnt want to wait around for one of the best blue jays hitters of all time just so we could grab the all mighty Morales lol.

 

Morales was a dud but that happens. Edwin didn't leave on bad terms though.

[Spanky99]

[Jays24]

Morales was a dud but that happens. Edwin didn't leave on bad terms though.

 

Agreed, it was on bad terms with the fan base who cared about Eddy and thought we'd actually try to bring him back. Just glad we cut that bridge so we could get Morales lol.

[dineke]

Agreed, it was on bad terms with the fan base who cared about Eddy and thought we'd actually try to bring him back. Just glad we cut that bridge so we could get Morales lol.

 

Now you're bringing up the fan base for some reason lol. Whatever, I'm glad they got the compensation pick instead, Edwin wouldn't have made them a playoff team in '17 or '18.

[Jays24]

Now you're bringing up the fan base for some reason lol. Whatever, I'm glad they got the compensation pick instead, Edwin wouldn't have made them a playoff team in '17 or '18.

 

I'll agree that you guys have pointed out flaws in my statement. Glad you guys have cause i was secretly blaming Shatkins for a lot of it lol.

[The Cats Ass]

Agreed, it was on bad terms with the fan base who cared about Eddy and thought we'd actually try to bring him back. Just glad we cut that bridge so we could get Morales lol.

 

I agree, Edwin is on bad terms with the fan base. He should be. He turned down the Jays ABOVE market value offer and signed with a different team for less. How could he do this to us after all the support and love we had given him.

[metafour]

Actually Shatkins misread the market badly too. Hope you remember us running to sign Morales asap. We all know how that signing worked out for us.

 

Glad they didnt want to wait around for one of the best blue jays hitters of all time just so we could grab the all mighty Morales lol.

 

Wrong.

 

They correctly concluded that a 1st round compensation pick for a team that had depleted its farm system and was heading for a rebuild (the pick which turned into Nate Pearson by the way) was worth more TO THE FUTURE OF THE TEAM than bringing back Edwin Encarnacion for his age 34+ seasons on a team that wouldn't even be competitive.

 

At no point in time did they conclude that Morales was a "better player" or anything of the sort. Morales was literally just a f***ing stopgap on a transitioning team, how is this concept hard to understand? The POINT is that Morales at $30 mill + Nate Pearson made more sense for the state of the team than bringing back Encarnacion for age 34-38 seasons on a team that had no chance of competing. By the time the team would be "good" again (ie: now) Encarnacion would already be useless to the team. And in reality they were absolutely correct in their interpretation: take away Morales and insert Encarnacion and those Blue Jays teams STILL come nowhere near even sniffing the playoffs. Yes, Morales didn't even end up being worth anywhere near $30 million himself...but the point that you all miss is that the team was shedding longterm payroll and rebuilding, so in reality Morales' $30 million didn't even prevent them from doing anything (and from Rogers' perspective throwing Morales' $30 million in the trash is still saving money comparatively to paying $80+ million for Encarnacion on a non-playoff team).

[Spanky99]

Wrong.

 

They correctly concluded that a 1st round compensation pick for a team that had depleted its farm system and was heading for a rebuild (the pick which turned into Nate Pearson by the way) was worth more TO THE FUTURE OF THE TEAM than bringing back Edwin Encarnacion for his age 34+ seasons on a team that wouldn't even be competitive.

 

At no point in time did they conclude that Morales was a "better player" or anything of the sort. Morales was literally just a f***ing stopgap on a transitioning team, how is this concept hard to understand? The POINT is that Morales at $30 mill + Nate Pearson made more sense for the state of the team than bringing back Encarnacion for age 34-38 seasons on a team that had no chance of competing. By the time the team would be "good" again (ie: now) Encarnacion would already be useless to the team. And in reality they were absolutely correct in their interpretation: take away Morales and insert Encarnacion and those Blue Jays teams STILL come nowhere near even sniffing the playoffs. Yes, Morales didn't even end up being worth anywhere near $30 million himself...but the point that you all miss is that the team was shedding longterm payroll and rebuilding, so in reality Morales' $30 million didn't even prevent them from doing anything (and from Rogers' perspective throwing Morales' $30 million in the trash is still saving money comparatively to paying $80+ million for Encarnacion on a non-playoff team).

 

Who exactly is you all, everyone knew they had to shed fat and age and they were starting that with EE and Bats alike?

[DigitalRock]

Not gonna lie, the news made me think Shatkins continue killing any relationship the Jays had with our former players. Add these guys to the list of Donaldson, Stroman, Bautista, etc.

 

Most of the players they burned bridges with i actually like. These guys seem to have 0 people skills but lets see how they put the finishing touches on this team. All will be forgotten if you win.

 

Right to the made up BS and Assumptions lol.

[RobinThicc]

So you're saying you'd give all the Jays' former players coaching roles when better options exist? How many 100s of former players have played for the Jays... That'll be some sized coaching staff.

Yes

[LGBJ29]

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/donaldson-blue-jays-exit-im-going-take-high-road/

 

A lot of his comments around the time he left were clearly mentioning he was not fond of the way things ended lol.

 

Oh i realize that's exactly what happened. Edwins agent screwed up by misjudging the market BUT so did we.

 

We didn't want to wait around for one of our best players because we HAD to sign Kendrys f***ing Morales. The guy who we wanted to get rid of right away lol.

 

Actually Shatkins misread the market badly too. Hope you remember us running to sign Morales asap. We all know how that signing worked out for us.

 

Glad they didnt want to wait around for one of the best blue jays hitters of all time just so we could grab the all mighty Morales lol.

 

Agreed, it was on bad terms with the fan base who cared about Eddy and thought we'd actually try to bring him back. Just glad we cut that bridge so we could get Morales lol.

 

I'll agree that you guys have pointed out flaws in my statement. Glad you guys have cause i was secretly blaming Shatkins for a lot of it lol.

 

Im not sure what's worse, if it's the mental gymnastics you're performing with your arguments, or if it's the fact you end each one of your posts with "lol"

[Grant77]

It's particularly surprising to see Huckaby go. He did an objectively good job preparing players like Alejandro Kirk at the alternate site and is seen as a future manager in MLB. It always seemed like we were pretty fortunate to have him.

 

It's unfortunate to see great people like Quantrill and Hentgen lose their jobs, but I have no reason not to trust the FO with those decisions.

[Krylian]

Im not sure what's worse, if it's the mental gymnastics you're performing with your arguments, or if it's the fact you end each one of your posts with "lol"

 

Lol is worse. Mental gymnastics can be entertaining. Lol....never is.

[Laika]

It's particularly surprising to see Huckaby go. He did an objectively good job preparing players like Alejandro Kirk at the alternate site and is seen as a future manager in MLB. It always seemed like we were pretty fortunate to have him.

 

It's unfortunate to see great people like Quantrill and Hentgen lose their jobs, but I have no reason not to trust the FO with those decisions.

 

I'm not sure it has been confirmed just yet that Huckaby or Hentgen are gone. I think they were offered part-time coaching positions. Although, they will likely turn those down for obvious reasons.

 

It's worth noting that basically every MLB team has been trimming their operating costs top to bottom this year. Most have been firing large numbers of scouts. Not sure we have seen a story yet of Toronto canning a dozen professional scouts, so maybe this is part of a slightly different approach.

 

Lots of reasons here. Decreased revenues this season, changes to the minor leagues on the horizon, rapidly changing opinions on player evaluation and development.......

[Jays24]

Wrong.

 

They correctly concluded that a 1st round compensation pick for a team that had depleted its farm system and was heading for a rebuild (the pick which turned into Nate Pearson by the way) was worth more TO THE FUTURE OF THE TEAM than bringing back Edwin Encarnacion for his age 34+ seasons on a team that wouldn't even be competitive.

 

At no point in time did they conclude that Morales was a "better player" or anything of the sort. Morales was literally just a f***ing stopgap on a transitioning team, how is this concept hard to understand? The POINT is that Morales at $30 mill + Nate Pearson made more sense for the state of the team than bringing back Encarnacion for age 34-38 seasons on a team that had no chance of competing. By the time the team would be "good" again (ie: now) Encarnacion would already be useless to the team. And in reality they were absolutely correct in their interpretation: take away Morales and insert Encarnacion and those Blue Jays teams STILL come nowhere near even sniffing the playoffs. Yes, Morales didn't even end up being worth anywhere near $30 million himself...but the point that you all miss is that the team was shedding longterm payroll and rebuilding, so in reality Morales' $30 million didn't even prevent them from doing anything (and from Rogers' perspective throwing Morales' $30 million in the trash is still saving money comparatively to paying $80+ million for Encarnacion on a non-playoff team).

 

If that was the case then we probably should have traded Donaldson and others who still has good value while we could. Forgot the player we could have gotten from the Cardinals so clearly we werent trying to rebuild.

 

Instead we lost almost every player at their lowest values. Add those potential assets to this team and we could actually have been further along in our rebuilding process.

[Jays24]

Im not sure what's worse, if it's the mental gymnastics you're performing with your arguments, or if it's the fact you end each one of your posts with "lol"

 

It was meant to show I wasn't super serious with my arguments. Its not something I believed to be a certainty and was open to be better informed. I am a basketball guy who rarely gets to talk baseball (just joined a month ago) so its good to get some fight back on these topics "lol"

[Spanky99]

I'm not sure it has been confirmed just yet that Huckaby or Hentgen are gone. I think they were offered part-time coaching positions. Although, they will likely turn those down for obvious reasons.

 

It's worth noting that basically every MLB team has been trimming their operating costs top to bottom this year. Most have been firing large numbers of scouts. Not sure we have seen a story yet of Toronto canning a dozen professional scouts, so maybe this is part of a slightly different approach.

 

Lots of reasons here. Decreased revenues this season, changes to the minor leagues on the horizon, rapidly changing opinions on player evaluation and development.......

 

That's what Atkins said on Tim and Sid strictly financial decisions.

[The Cats Ass]

When is the league trimming down the number minor league teams? This could have something to do with these position layoffs. They may have coaches on the cut teams that they like better for the fewer jobs. And if they are almost finished up with the alternative site for this year it makes sense to inform these coaches right away so it gives them the most time possible to find jobs for next season.

[TheHurl]

If that was the case then we probably should have traded Donaldson and others who still has good value while we could. Forgot the player we could have gotten from the Cardinals so clearly we werent trying to rebuild.

 

Instead we lost almost every player at their lowest values. Add those potential assets to this team and we could actually have been further along in our rebuilding process.

 

Jays tried to trade Donaldson earlier. He was upset at the rehab suggestions set out for himself and refused to play a game before the initial deadline killing the deal. This was a number of suggestions to him that he refused to take part in. He is probably the most selfish person to ever put on the uniform

[TheHurl]

When is the league trimming down the number minor league teams? This could have something to do with these position layoffs. They may have coaches on the cut teams that they like better for the fewer jobs. And if they are almost finished up with the alternative site for this year it makes sense to inform these coaches right away so it gives them the most time possible to find jobs for next season.

 

Next year if minors happen. There also is a possibility that no minors exist still as the deal between MLB and MiLB is a complete mess. These negotiations are probably a bigger shitshow than the 2020 negotiations were. It has been fascinating to follow. The MLB has partnered with the Atlantic league this week (as a testing ground for rules and such) and the Appy which now will be an MLB run college wood bat league

[saskjayfan]

Jays tried to trade Donaldson earlier. He was upset at the rehab suggestions set out for himself and refused to play a game before the initial deadline killing the deal. This was a number of suggestions to him that he refused to take part in. He is probably the most selfish person to ever put on the uniform

 

He never refused to play a game, he was injured. He wasn't happy with the rehab suggestions after he reinjured his calf during rehab. Even when he was traded in August to Cleveland he was immediately put on the 10 day injured list and didn't play until Sept 11.

 

That was some nice fiction there.

 

Here's the article about him playing at the end of August so they could trade him and he obviously wasn't healthy because once he went to Cleveland he immediately landed on the 10 day DL....sort of calls your most selfish man on the planet theory into question.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/josh-donaldson-dl-rehab-assignment-1.4808899

[glory]

[Deadpool]

 

significantly less number of players

 

This phrasing made my skull hurt.