Jays fire Hentgan, Huckaby and Quantrill

[The Iceman]

I guess management thought the general public was starting to like them...this should stop that.

[dineke]

Good. Get the best coaches available not former players of the organization.

[Laika]

People will get more upset about this than they should.

[Slade]

People will get more upset about this than they should.

 

Absolutely I see it on twitter already.

[Ryu In My House]

Should have just turned over the entire pitching operation to Driveline like the Reds did.

 

Jesus, they really did that? Wow, this game is evolving quickly.

[Jays24]

People will get more upset about this than they should.

 

Not gonna lie, the news made me think Shatkins continue killing any relationship the Jays had with our former players. Add these guys to the list of Donaldson, Stroman, Bautista, etc.

 

Most of the players they burned bridges with i actually like. These guys seem to have 0 people skills but lets see how they put the finishing touches on this team. All will be forgotten if you win.

[P2F]

The timing of these dismissals is super weird, but whatever. That's about the extent of how much I care about this.

 

Didn't the Jays literally just auction off an upcoming catered virtual dinner with Hentgen, though?

Edited September 25, 2020 by P2F

[Jays24]

The timing of these dismissals is super weird, but whatever. That's about the extent of what I care about this.

 

Didn't the Jays literally just auction off an upcoming catered virtual dinner with Hentgen, though?

 

This is the first thing I thought of. His name was definitely part of the auction.

[Laika]

Not gonna lie, the news made me think Shatkins continue killing any relationship the Jays had with our former players. Add these guys to the list of Donaldson, Stroman, Bautista, etc.

 

Most of the players they burned bridges with i actually like. These guys seem to have 0 people skills but lets see how they put the finishing touches on this team. All will be forgotten if you win.

 

I can guarantee you that "killing any relationship the Jays had with [their] former players" is not a motivating factor.

[The Iceman]

Not gonna lie, Hentgan is my all time fav ex Jay.

 

Bulldog and a brilliant baseball mind. If you ever have a chance to listen to an interview he is awesome and knows tons about the minor league arms in the system.

265 innings of 3.22 era in his 1996 Cy Young year. 20-10 on a 74 win team. Followed that up with 264 IP the following year.

 

Huckaby has this memory he left us all with.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/huckaby-had-lasting-impact-on-jays-jeter/

[Abomination]

I guess management thought the general public was starting to like them...this should stop that.

Hentgen and Quantrill have been invited back in other roles. The Jays are restructuring.

[Jays24]

I can guarantee you that "killing any relationship the Jays had with [their] former players" is not a motivating factor.

 

Ya thats clear as day. Personally I'm not a fan of that approach.

 

Things like that could be a reason why a particular player goes into the hall of fame of a particular team. Felt like Roy Halladay not going in as a Jay was fully because of this.

 

Not blaming Shatkins for this since i dont recall or even know the details. Just mentioning the issues with that type of approach. Also shows that a franchise doesnt give 2 shits about loyalty to the organization.

[Slade]

Ya thats clear as day. Personally I'm not a fan of that approach.

 

Things like that could be a reason why a particular player goes into the hall of fame of a particular team. Felt like Roy Halladay not going in as a Jay was fully because of this.

 

Not blaming Shatkins for this since i dont recall or even know the details. Just mentioning the issues with that type of approach. Also shows that a franchise doesnt give 2 shits about loyalty to the organization.

 

This front office was not even around for Halladay, I don't want to get into this again but there is video of Halladay straight up saying if he were to get into the HoF he wanted it to be with a Blue Jays hat.

 

Why do we have to keep hiring ex-Blue Jays? Just get the best possible coaches and player developmental guys we can, end of story. If Atkins doesn't think these guys are doing the best possible job, time to move on.

 

[RobinThicc]

Jays treating their alumni like s***, no surprise.

 

Didnt this current FO make Halladay apply for a spring training role for the team?

[Spanky99]

Not gonna lie, Hentgan is my all time fav ex Jay.

 

Bulldog and a brilliant baseball mind. If you ever have a chance to listen to an interview he is awesome and knows tons about the minor league arms in the system.

265 innings of 3.22 era in his 1996 Cy Young year. 20-10 on a 74 win team. Followed that up with 264 IP the following year.

 

Huckaby has this memory he left us all with.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/huckaby-had-lasting-impact-on-jays-jeter/

 

Can you please stop butchering your all-time favourite ex-Jay Hentgen's name, thanks.

[The Cats Ass]

Jays treating their alumni like s***, no surprise.

 

Didnt this current FO make Halladay apply for a spring training role for the team?

 

So you're saying you'd give all the Jays' former players coaching roles when better options exist? How many 100s of former players have played for the Jays... That'll be some sized coaching staff.

[Jays24]

This front office was not even around for Halladay, I don't want to get into this again but there is video of Halladay straight up saying if he were to get into the HoF he wanted it to be with a Blue Jays hat.

 

Why do we have to keep hiring ex-Blue Jays? Just get the best possible coaches and player developmental guys we can, end of story. If Atkins doesn't think these guys are doing the best possible job, time to move on.

 

 

Again, I don't recall who was in charge when Halladay's family made their comments but they must have had a reason to feel the way they did. Halladay should have went in as a Jay with no questions asked. The fact he didnt speaks volumes as to how our people management skills have been deteriorating.

 

I agree, you always want the best man for the job and "loyalty" should not be ahead of winning. However, you also need to make sure you're doing it in a way to not burn those relationships. For some reason we have a lot of ex Jays from the 2015/2016 run that hate our current regime. Wonder why...

[Boxcar]

Again, I don't recall who was in charge when Halladay's family made their comments but they must have had a reason to feel the way they did. Halladay should have went in as a Jay with no questions asked. The fact he didnt speaks volumes as to how our people management skills have been deteriorating.

 

I agree, you always want the best man for the job and "loyalty" should not be ahead of winning. However, you also need to make sure you're doing it in a way to not burn those relationships. For some reason we have a lot of ex Jays from the 2015/2016 run that hate our current regime. Wonder why...

 

Brandy Halladay made the decision on her own. Not sure how you can pretzel your brain into blaming Shapiro or Atkins here.

[Jays24]

So you're saying you'd give all the Jays' former players coaching roles when better options exist? How many 100s of former players have played for the Jays... That'll be some sized coaching staff.

 

So I guess Dante Bichette must be the best at his job. It must have nothing to do with his son being on the team right? Lol

 

Also let me know if we have a bunch of Doc Hallday's roaming around. I'd assume you'd want to do your best to keep relationships with guys who gave everything to your organization at the level Doc did.

 

If this was a one off then cool, s*** happens but it seems to becoming a recurring issue. That is my beef. Not even saying this is exactly what happened in this situation since I have no clue what happened. Just saying it made me feel that because of all these past situation.

[Jays24]

Brandy Halladay made the decision on her own. Not sure how you can pretzel your brain into blaming Shapiro or Atkins here.

 

I didnt blame Shatkins. It could have been something that happened prior to them. There must have been people within our organization who knew exactly why that happened.

 

But when that happens, then Donaldson, Jose, Stroman and a few others all left under horrible circumstances, it has to get you wondering that at least the current guys have 0 respect for the players who played before them.

 

That type of s*** must make current players think this is how the organization treats you when you are no longer useful to them. Just happy that Shatkins have stayed away from our World Series winning teams lol.

[Spanky99]

Jesus Christ... *facepalm.gif*

[The Cats Ass]

I didnt blame Shatkins. It could have been something that happened prior to them. There must have been people within our organization who knew exactly why that happened.

 

But when that happens, then Donaldson, Jose, Stroman and a few others all left under horrible circumstances, it has to get you wondering that at least the current guys have 0 respect for the players who played before them.

 

That type of s*** must make current players think this is how the organization treats you when you are no longer useful to them. Just happy that Shatkins have stayed away from our World Series winning teams lol.

 

The 3 you named there all have 1 thing in common. Huge egos. They didn't get their way, so they got pissy. You can't let the players run the team.

 

Jose got upset with the team because we didn't give into his contract demands. Would you like to be paying him $30M this year and on the hook for $30 next?

[BlueBaller]

I don't care about the moves, but man, that's some weird timing.

[Brownie19]

So I guess Dante Bichette must be the best at his job. It must have nothing to do with his son being on the team right? Lol

 

 

Do we even know if Dante is being paid by the Jays?

[Brownie19]

Again, I don't recall who was in charge when Halladay's family made their comments but they must have had a reason to feel the way they did. Halladay should have went in as a Jay with no questions asked. The fact he didnt speaks volumes as to how our people management skills have been deteriorating.

 

I agree, you always want the best man for the job and "loyalty" should not be ahead of winning. However, you also need to make sure you're doing it in a way to not burn those relationships. For some reason we have a lot of ex Jays from the 2015/2016 run that hate our current regime. Wonder why...

 

You are forming some very strong opinions when I suspect you have little to no information on this at all. You have no idea if any of those 3 were good at their jobs or if being let go was the right decision. You're suggesting they should have been kept simply based on name along - which is pretty short sighted.

 

Get off Mount Stupid.

[Jays24]

The 3 you named there all have 1 thing in common. Huge egos. They didn't get their way, so they got pissy. You can't let the players run the team.

 

Jose got upset with the team because we didn't give into his contract demands. Would you like to be paying him $30M this year and on the hook for $30 next?

 

Fair point. I just loved Donaldson and Jose too much. They deserved to have the egos they did. Doesnt mean id want to pay them long term but hoped they could have had better farewells.

 

Dont care much about Stroman because he seems too dramatic for his skillset lol.

[Spanky99]

Do we even know if Dante is being paid by the Jays?

 

Yeah, they came to him, and he only took it on Bo's approval.

[Jays24]

You are forming some very strong opinions when I suspect you have little to no information on this at all. You have no idea if any of those 3 were good at their jobs or if being let go was the right decision. You're suggesting they should have been kept simply based on name along - which is pretty short sighted.

 

Get off Mount Stupid.

 

I'm not saying we should have kept anyone. I just didn't like how bad the breakoffs were with players who meant a lot to the organization.

 

And i agree I have very little information. I'm guessing Shatkins coming in and wanting to go in a different direction from what the 2015/2016 teams ended up being just got everyone off on the wrong foot. What we saw was just the fallout of all that.

[Laika]

Why is there a perception that the end of the employment relationship between Toronto and Jose Bautista, or between Toronto and Josh Donaldson, was a "bad breakup"?

 

Donaldson was hurt and it was awkward but I don't think I've ever read any proof that him and the organization were mad at each other.

 

Same with Jose. He wanted a huge extension that Toronto did not provide, then his last season with Toronto was awful and he went elsewhere. Why is that a "bad breakoff"? What the f*** else would anyone want the team to do? I don't even think Jose is mad at the org.

 

Stroman was mad when he got traded to the Mets and there was a story about him (presumably him) screaming in the clubhouse. It's not Toronto's fault he's a baby who got the CN Tower tattooed on his butt during his rookie season.

[Laika]

I'm guessing Shatkins coming in and wanting to go in a different direction from what the 2015/2016 teams ended up being just got everyone off on the wrong foot. What we saw was just the fallout of all that.

 

Mostly you're just seeing things. I don't even know what "what we saw" is trying to refer to.

 

Are you also mad that they traded Kevin Pillar without sending him a nice enough gift basket?