Stroman vs Grichuk

[Brownie19]

GricHuk is a RACisT because he liked AubreY HuFF’s tweEt!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

This is the dumbest f***ing stance to take on the entire issue.

 

Nobody overrates Grichuk. Stroman is clearly overrated by Canadian baseball fans across the country. He’s Dallas Keuchel who thinks he’s Gerritt Cole.

 

You're a f***ing D-bag! Claiming someone is racist based on that tweet (or similar) is insufferable. I guess I get a ban for calling you out for being an ignorant a-hole? See you in a week, or never (maybe)???

 

Perhaps I chose my words poorly. I should have said "it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they are all telling the truth". I really have no idea if Grichuk is racist (and neither do you!). While it's easy to rip Stro for playing the race card - what we can't forget is these guys played a couple of seasons together. He knows a hell of a lot more about Grichuk than us.

 

It was also somewhat of a joke you uptight f***s. We're all arguing over who said the more outrageous thing and whatnot when there's a possibility that everything said true.

[Beans]

#TeamDirtySanchez

 

Anyone...., Frijoles?

 

lol, don't try to drag me into this.

[EdwinsParrot]

Both looking extremely corny for doing all this this on social media. Guess its really nothing new for Marcus though, the guy is 29 acting like 19.

[TheHurl]

Stephen Piscotty has a degree in atmospheric and energy engineering from Stanford, could work for Space Force when he retires from baseball.

 

Craig Breslow still probably gets number 1. 1450 SAT. Yale degree in BioChem, BioPhysics and Molecular Biology. I believe he's working on cloning Theo Epstein so the Cubs can fire Jed Hoyer

[TheHurl]

Is Bauer actually intelligent?

 

He is in math and sciences. Mind you when discussing the CBA Luba has to correct him all the time as he doesn't understand things. I know he asks people to compare SAT scores all the time, so I'm assuming his were pretty good.

[L54]

Perhaps I chose my words poorly. I should have said "it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they are all telling the truth". I really have no idea if Grichuk is racist (and neither do you!). While it's easy to rip Stro for playing the race card - what we can't forget is these guys played a couple of seasons together. He knows a hell of a lot more about Grichuk than us.

 

It was also somewhat of a joke you uptight f***s. We're all arguing over who said the more outrageous thing and whatnot when there's a possibility that everything said true.

 

What point are you trying to make? Obviously I don’t know Randal Grichuk but calling him a racist because he liked a tweet is dumb and I called you out for it.

[Laika]

Good point, but intelligence is innate. Quite a few of these latin players with little schooling have quickly adapted to the US, English, etc.

 

Not as obvious a point as you might think. See the Flynn Effect, for instance.

 

Anyway, I think we can all agree:

 

Baseball player IQs ranked:

 

Kawasakis

Whites

Blacks

Latinos

Players who are like 1/32 jewish and play for Israel at international events (jk they are first)

Edited July 12, 2020 by Laika

[glory]

And what, Grichuk isn't a hard worker and doesn't have a desire to win?

 

Are you only a hard worker if you take every opportunity possible to beat everyone over the head with how supposedly "hard working and competitive" you are?

 

I don't know (or care) if Grichuk is a hard worker. It's Stroman that is the point of contention here, and he's clearly a hard worker, even if he has to shove it in everyone's face. The actions prove him right. He's also trying to promote his own brand, which caters to motivation and having a chip on your shoulder, so being obnoxious on social media to sell himself is basically what all people in that line of business do.

 

Grichuk is unlikable to me for a different reason. The people who harp about "respecting the game" (Grichuk, MadBum, McCann, etc) are typically the ones making it uncool to watch it. I'd rather have a talented dbag on my team than whatever Grichuk is supposed to be.

[Ryu In My House]

Curtis Granderson

 

Joey Votto strikes me as pretty cerebral. I really like Grandy, and do think he's pretty smart.

[Ryu In My House]

Craig Breslow still probably gets number 1. 1450 SAT. Yale degree in BioChem, BioPhysics and Molecular Biology. I believe he's working on cloning Theo Epstein so the Cubs can fire Jed Hoyer

 

He's on this particular list

 

https://www.totalprosports.com/2011/09/16/9-smartest-players-in-major-league-baseball/

[Carlos Danger]

I remember a pitcher for the Jays in the 90's or late 80's that graduated from Princeton.. ICR his name though..?

[Laika]

I remember a pitcher for the Jays in the 90's or late 80's that graduated from Princeton.. ICR his name though..?

 

Dick Princeton. He was a LOOGY.

[Krylian]

I remember a pitcher for the Jays in the 90's or late 80's that graduated from Princeton.. ICR his name though..?

 

Danny Barnes from the 2010's

[TheHurl]

Danny Barnes from the 2010's

 

I do believe he is the only Princeton grad to play in the big leagues with Toronto. We drafted Buster Small but his game was not nearly as good as his handle.

[Boxcar]

First off, Puig can't find a big league job, and might sign with the Orioles due to lack of other options. Is every GM in baseball buying into a false narrative with him? He's not even as good as Stroman, much less better. If Stroman were a free agent right now he wouldn't be begging for a job. There would be a market for him.

 

Secondly, MikeM brought up a bunch of examples of young players mentioning how supportive Stroman has been to them. His work ethic is undeniable. He shows a ton of passion on the field, even in 2019 when the team was actively trying to lose. He's not on a faux racial crusade. He's just an outspoken, arrogant guy in a sport where that sort of personality is frowned upon. If he was in the NBA, a league with 100 times more star power and mainstream marketability, no one would be calling him (or Jose or JD or Puig) a dbag. But in baseball you're supposed to be humble, not show emotion, play the "right way", etc. It's nonsense. He's no doubt done some dumb stuff on social media (with the front office, Goins release, etc), but he's a young guy on social media. It's a different world today. More players are going to be like that going forward. He stands out because unlike the NBA and NFL, MLB players are typically quiet/harmless on social media.

 

I honestly have no idea how a guy coming off a 4 WAR and routinely is +3 in WAR (a stat that penalizes pitchers like him) every year he's healthy is somehow not a good enough player to have an ego to you. He's not an ace, but who cares? He's still good. You don't have to be Trout level to have an ego.

 

There's a clear difference with Stroman that I have tried and failed to convey, in that if you criticise him for anything, ever, he takes it super personally, won't let it go, tries to sic a mindless mob on you and may imply that you're racist. JD and Bautista didn't do that.

 

Like I said, if you just want to put the blinders on, go ahead.

 

Also, LeBron James on Twitter is an absolute moron and he is constantly mocked and derided for his arrogance or his willingness to speak up for things he knows nothing about. Let's stop pretending that Stroman is being held to some unattainable standard.

 

I don't know why Puig hasn't signed. Could be a number of reasons. You don't know either.

[TheHurl]

I remember a pitcher for the Jays in the 90's or late 80's that graduated from Princeton.. ICR his name though..?

 

You are thinking of Jeff Mussleman

[Boxcar]

I did also present evidence directly contradicting the thought that all his teammates hate him. Maybe it's just the low test teammates that hate him.

 

 

Oh no, not you Nate! Keep Stroman away from him!

 

Oh wow, Stroman pumped his tires and he responded.

 

You and glory are really in a heated competition.

[Boxcar]

Perhaps I chose my words poorly. I should have said "it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they are all telling the truth". I really have no idea if Grichuk is racist (and neither do you!). While it's easy to rip Stro for playing the race card - what we can't forget is these guys played a couple of seasons together. He knows a hell of a lot more about Grichuk than us.

 

It was also somewhat of a joke you uptight f***s. We're all arguing over who said the more outrageous thing and whatnot when there's a possibility that everything said true.

 

Something either is a joke, or is not a joke. It's binary. It isn't on a spectrum, like stupidity.

 

And yeah, I go around in life assuming that everyone I encounter might be a racist. That's how it should be. Have you considered that Stroman, being the prima donna little bitch he is, might just toss up racism whenever he's run out of actual things to say? Seems pretty plausible to me!

[jaysguy44]

Something either is a joke, or is not a joke. It's binary. It isn't on a spectrum, like stupidity.

 

And yeah, I go around in life assuming that everyone I encounter might be a racist. That's how it should be. Have you considered that Stroman, being the prima donna little bitch he is, might just toss up racism whenever he's run out of actual things to say? Seems pretty plausible to me!

 

He's just following the 2020 trend.

[polar bear]

There's a clear difference with Stroman that I have tried and failed to convey, in that if you criticise him for anything, ever, he takes it super personally, won't let it go, tries to sic a mindless mob on you and may imply that you're racist. JD and Bautista didn't do that.

 

Like I said, if you just want to put the blinders on, go ahead.

 

Also, LeBron James on Twitter is an absolute moron and he is constantly mocked and derided for his arrogance or his willingness to speak up for things he knows nothing about. Let's stop pretending that Stroman is being held to some unattainable standard.

 

I don't know why Puig hasn't signed. Could be a number of reasons. You don't know either.

 

I really miss Stro taking the mound for us.

[Krylian]

I really miss Stro taking the mound for us.

 

He was a solid pitcher, but not irreplaceable. I don't missing him on Twitter as a Jay. He can be a clown for someone else.

[Brownie19]

Something either is a joke, or is not a joke. It's binary. It isn't on a spectrum, like stupidity.

 

And yeah, I go around in life assuming that everyone I encounter might be a racist. That's how it should be. Have you considered that Stroman, being the prima donna little bitch he is, might just toss up racism whenever he's run out of actual things to say? Seems pretty plausible to me!

 

Boxy - it's ******** to suggest Stro might be playing the race card without at least acknowledging there's a possibility that what he's saying is legit and based on his experiences with Grichuk.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Brownie19

[Krylian]

Boxy - it's ******** to suggest Stro might be playing the race card without at least acknowledging there's a possibility that what he's saying is legit and based on his experiences with Grichuk.

 

Didn't he refer to Huff as the racist, not Grich? Maybe I misread.

[Brownie19]

Didn't he refer to Huff as the racist, not Grich? Maybe I misread.

 

He insinuated it by suggesting Huff and Grich were probably best friends and that Canada will never tolerate racism. But whatever - new topic!

[Dick_Pole]

Q:I wonder if there are any smart baseball players?

A: Let's name a few who went to Ivy League schools or have really hard sounding degrees.

 

I'm actually in Jim's camp here, that most would function in society just fine without baseball talent. How well do you know these guys? Outside of Hurl and his inside connections everyone here relies on media or social media. And who comes off as consistently smart in media or social media outside of comedians like Dave Chappelle? Practically no one. And last time I checked Chappelle was just some dude out of Ohio, not someone who completed a PhD in Physics at Oxford.

[Dick_Pole]

Boxy - it's ******** to suggest Stro might be playing the race card without at least acknowledging there's a possibility that what he's saying is legit and based on his experiences with Grichuk.

 

Maybe Grichuk just hates short people and Stroman mistook that prejudice as racism. Also, Grichuk totally should have used the line "I'm not racist, I just hate midgets" to really set Stroman off.

[glory]

There's a clear difference with Stroman that I have tried and failed to convey, in that if you criticise him for anything, ever, he takes it super personally, won't let it go, tries to sic a mindless mob on you and may imply that you're racist. JD and Bautista didn't do that.

 

Like I said, if you just want to put the blinders on, go ahead.

 

Also, LeBron James on Twitter is an absolute moron and he is constantly mocked and derided for his arrogance or his willingness to speak up for things he knows nothing about. Let's stop pretending that Stroman is being held to some unattainable standard.

 

I don't know why Puig hasn't signed. Could be a number of reasons. You don't know either.

 

Who has he called a racist aside from Huff (who has a pretty dubious rep for his Twitter account)? I vaguely remember him agreeing with Keith Law about some vague language in a quote from a Jays official which Law (not Stroman) brought up as racist. I don't think the list is as long as you think it is, unless I'm missing a bunch. Plus you can't just assume he's playing the race card out of the blue in every single case. As far as him taking things personally, Jose and JD took everything personally too. JD told a man FYSMC in front of the camera. These guys were passionate dbags as well. Stroman is just vocal about it on Twitter. I never said I agreed with all the stuff he wrote about, but I'm also not going to say he's a headcase and a bad teammate because of it. Like I said, as the league gets younger, the more players are going to have grown up in the social media era. Baseball has a much lower presence than other sports when it comes to social media posts, but a lot of young athletes are just as vocal as Stroman is. Just not in baseball.

 

I'm not a LeBron fan (I actively root against him), and I do think his "social justice only when it suits me" attitude is obnoxious, but he's not a moron. He's playing to his audience/fanbase, just like Stroman is, just like everyone who overuses social media platforms. You can agree, disagree, whatever, but being a dbag on social media or even on the field is only a bad thing if it impacts the results on the field. Stroman was not a problem when the Jays were making the playoffs, and other than Grichuk hiding behind a Huff Tweet, there hasn't been much evidence of former teammates bashing him either (unless I missed it).

 

For the record, I'm happy with Ryu/SWR/Kay instead of Stroman, so not sure why you think I'm Stro's biggest fan here. But there is a reason why MLB can't attract a younger fanbase, it's because their fans are conditioned to believe players like Stroman and Bautista are problems. The league will become more popular if there are more Stroman's, JD's, Jose's, etc, in it, and fewer Grichuk's.

[Boxcar]

Boxy - it's ******** to suggest Stro might be playing the race card without at least acknowledging there's a possibility that what he's saying is legit and based on his experiences with Grichuk.

 

I'd be more willing to take that stance if he didn't have a history of this s***. He agreed with Keith Law's hot take implying that Atkins is a racist.

[Brownie19]

I'd be more willing to take that stance if he didn't have a history of this s***. He agreed with Keith Law's hot take implying that Atkins is a racist.

 

Fair enough. I can accept that.

[Carlos Danger]

You are thinking of Jeff Mussleman

 

Yes, I was, thanks! Harvard, Princeton, Yale... They all blend together...