BASEBALL IS BACk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brownie19]

According to Joel Sherman, the proposed 76 game season would begin on July 10 after a 3 week ST. So using that timeline, if it ends up being a 48 game season, then it's likely going to start later than that since they won't need as much time to get through that many games. If it's a 48 game season, then it would not surprise me at all if they begin it in August and run it through September, and start the playoffs as normal in October. They don't need 3 months to get through 48 games. No one will care because if MLB hasn't started by July 31, then everyone's attention will go right to the NBA. I'm sure Canada will be focused on hockey instead of the Jays as well.

 

I think a 48 game season is fine as an experiment to see if a shorter season would be more interesting for audiences, but if it goes directly head to head with other sports like the NBA and NHL (and eventually NFL), then 1) MLB likely isn't going to get the casual fans to watch with other options available, and 2) the core fans who are old and don't like change are going to hate the shortened season. They'd be turning off both sides.

 

I think MLB had to start on July 4, or at least in July where they could get a couple of weeks of regular season games in before the other sports start up. I guess it's not too late to still do that, but they seem to be waiting for a reason.

 

So all your complaining is about missing a 2 week window when there's no NBA or NHL to watch? c'mon man.

[Spanky99]

Yeah, there's not going to be a season.

 

Plus the upcoming CBA, if they don't agree here, they won't talk again until it's too late again.

[Spanky99]

So all your complaining is about missing a 2 week window when there's no NBA or NHL to watch? c'mon man.

 

You're missing this song from your playlist? Wow...

[glory]

So all your complaining is about missing a 2 week window when there's no NBA or NHL to watch? c'mon man.

 

I don’t know how old you are, but people in my age group (30’s) and below don’t give a s*** about baseball. Went to a game with a bunch of people two years ago, everyone scattered by the 2nd inning. It gets practically no engagement on social media platforms. Baseball needed to go unopposed in July more than any other sport. The Spanky’s of the world will keep watching baseball but fans like him will always watch.

 

I’ve been a lifelong baseball fan but I’d choose the NBA over MLB if they were head to head, especially if one side is giving the playoffs and the other side is playing like 25% of a full season. That’s worrisome.

 

Cue Spanky “savagely” roasting me up next.

[BlueRocky]

Edited June 8, 2020 by BlueRocky

[BlueRocky]

MLB: “We made excellent progress today.”

[Boxcar]

MLB: “We made excellent progress today.”

 

I hope Rob Manfred gets Covid and someone has to temporarily replace him

[glory]

MLB: “We made excellent progress today.”

 

Yeah, seems like they'll just wait until a certain point and then say they were "forced" to go with the 50 game schedule due to timing. No way the players agree to this.

[Beans]

I’ve been a lifelong baseball fan but I’d choose the NBA over MLB if they were head to head, especially if one side is giving the playoffs and the other side is playing like 25% of a full season. That’s worrisome.

 

Blasphemy!

[glory]

Blasphemy!

 

I’m probably saying that partly out of frustration, as normally I’d agree with you, but a 48 game season delayed because of money would tick me off enough to make me tune out a bit. Of course if a 48 game season means the Jays win the whole thing, then I’ll take it.

[Brownie19]

To normal people - working less for the same amount of money would be viewed as a good thing.

 

If MLB offered an 82 game season with full pro-rated salaries....would the MLBPA reject it because it's only 50% of their salary?

[Brownie19]

I don’t know how old you are, but people in my age group (30’s) and below don’t give a s*** about baseball. Went to a game with a bunch of people two years ago, everyone scattered by the 2nd inning. It gets practically no engagement on social media platforms. Baseball needed to go unopposed in July more than any other sport. The Spanky’s of the world will keep watching baseball but fans like him will always watch.

 

I’ve been a lifelong baseball fan but I’d choose the NBA over MLB if they were head to head, especially if one side is giving the playoffs and the other side is playing like 25% of a full season. That’s worrisome.

 

Cue Spanky “savagely” roasting me up next.

 

I'm in my 30's too. I still play baseball, as do my 3 boys. Almost all the people I hang out with love baseball and do care about it. I also love basketball. I'd say half the people I hang out with love it too.

 

I understand baseball isn't huge with the younger generation and that MLB needs to do a better job. I don't think 2 weeks of it being the only sport on TV is going to save the game. However, the original point was you said that nobody is going to care about a 48 game schedule. That is false.

 

You never know - a 48 game schedule might actually engage the younger generation as every game matters (something the full 162 game grind doesn't give the impression of).

[KevinGregg]

I would personally care very much about a 48 game season

[glory]

I'm in my 30's too. I still play baseball, as do my 3 boys. Almost all the people I hang out with love baseball and do care about it. I also love basketball. I'd say half the people I hang out with love it too.

 

I understand baseball isn't huge with the younger generation and that MLB needs to do a better job. I don't think 2 weeks of it being the only sport on TV is going to save the game. However, the original point was you said that nobody is going to care about a 48 game schedule. That is false.

 

You never know - a 48 game schedule might actually engage the younger generation as every game matters (something the full 162 game grind doesn't give the impression of).

 

I don't think 2 weeks would have done much either, that's why I was rooting for them to come back on July 4. Would that have made young people flock to baseball like it was the 80's? No, but there was so much potential there to give the sport the entire sports stage for a month and maybe bring in some new fans along the way. Come back on the 4th, mic the players up, show their personalities, give the sports world dying for any content an opportunity to fall in love with the game. That's what I was hoping for. It frustrates me because I want to see the game become more popular. It's my favorite sport, but I'm seeing it gradually become closer to the NHL in terms of popularity than the NBA or NFL, and that sucks. I envy you for having friends who like baseball. I hate being the one guy in my circle who likes baseball while everyone else is into basketball and football.

 

As far as 48 games, I agree and disagree. I agree a shorter season has the potential to engage fans more as each game will have more meaning. Where I disagree is a shorter season for a less popular sport up against practically every other sport going on at the same time seems like it will have less engagement. I hope I'm wrong. I hope a 50 game season brings in more fans, it does better ratings than basketball, and I'm proven dead wrong about this potentially hurting the game.

[Brownie19]

MLBPA is proposing 89 games with full pro-rated salaries and expanded playoffs.

 

For f*** sakes - meet in the middle and get on with it.

 

82 games, 90% pro-rated salaries and no expended playoffs - giddy up.

[Grant77]

MLBPA is proposing 89 games with full pro-rated salaries and expanded playoffs.

 

For f*** sakes - meet in the middle and get on with it.

 

82 games, 90% pro-rated salaries and no expended playoffs - giddy up.

 

89 games is a 25 game reduction from the players. They have also agreed to expanded playoffs for two seasons along with no salary or service time for players that don't play.

 

This is a positive proposal with significant concessions from MLBPA. If the owners truly want a season then they should accept something close to this deal. The onus is on them now.

[saskjayfan]

89 games is a 25 game reduction from the players. They have also agreed to expanded playoffs for two seasons along with no salary or service time for players that don't play.

 

This is a positive proposal with significant concessions from MLBPA. If the owners truly want a season then they should accept something close to this deal. The onus is on them now.

 

So their significant concession was if a player voluntarily decides he doesn't want to play he doesn't get his service time or his salary. Man how generous. They agreed to extended playoffs that they all want to play in and players also participate in the revenue from the gate. For this year the players also want a guarantee of 50 million for the playoff bonus pool even if there are no fans.

 

The MLBPA sure did cave.

[glory]

[Grant77]

So their significant concession was if a player voluntarily decides he doesn't want to play he doesn't get his service time or his salary. Man how generous. They agreed to extended playoffs that they all want to play in and players also participate in the revenue from the gate. For this year the players also want a guarantee of 50 million for the playoff bonus pool even if there are no fans.

 

The MLBPA sure did cave.

 

It should be noted that the owners pushed for all of the points that you mentioned and have received them without making any concessions of their own. There was also a sizeable reduction in the schedule, another huge sticking point for owners. The proposed schedule would see the playoffs start the day after the NBA finals.

[saskjayfan]

It should be noted that the owners pushed for all of the points that you mentioned and have received them without making any concessions of their own. There was also a sizeable reduction in the schedule, another huge sticking point for owners. The proposed schedule would see the playoffs start the day after the NBA f

 

The first point was a joke. If you don't show up to work on any job you shouldn't get paid. The extended playoffs is important to the owners, but it also benefits the player.

 

The owners primary stance is they're not willing to lose a bunch of money. No fans means a lot of lost revenue. They want players to take a reduction off the pro-rated amount so they break even or at least lose less.

 

The players not only came back with a f*** you, pay us in full. They also said we want the 50 mil playoff pool money they are used to getting that comes from gate revenue. They said, if there's fans we'll take the percentage take we always do. If there are no fans we still want 50 mil we're used to getting....lol.

 

The players are a bunch of greedy f***s. They deserve a fair amount of revenues.

 

The owners already agreed to 50% revenue sharing among the owners for this season. That's a big concession by big clubs to help out small market clubs as well as giving the players the opportunity to make as much money as possible.

 

It's very off putting. I'm looking forward to watching the raptors.

[Grant77]

It should be noted that the owners pushed for all of the points that you mentioned and have received them without making any concessions of their own. There was also a sizeable reduction in the schedule, another huge sticking point for owners. The proposed schedule would see the playoffs start the day after the NBA f

 

The first point was a joke. If you don't show up to work on any job you shouldn't get paid. The extended playoffs is important to the owners, but it also benefits the player.

 

The owners primary stance is they're not willing to lose a bunch of money. No fans means a lot of lost revenue. They want players to take a reduction off the pro-rated amount so they break even or at least lose less.

 

The players not only came back with a f*** you, pay us in full. They also said we want the 50 mil playoff pool money they are used to getting that comes from gate revenue. They said, if there's fans we'll take the percentage take we always do. If there are no fans we still want 50 mil we're used to getting....lol.

 

The players are a bunch of greedy f***s. They deserve a fair amount of revenues.

 

The owners already agreed to 50% revenue sharing among the owners for this season. That's a big concession by big clubs to help out small market clubs as well as giving the players the opportunity to make as much money as possible.

 

It's very off putting. I'm looking forward to watching the raptors.

 

Regardless of your opinion on some of the points, they are things that the owners pushed for and received.

 

The owners signed players to contracts knowing full well that something like this could come to pass. That's why they make hundreds of millions of dollars, as shown with the Atlanta Braves. The Braves also show that the majority of revenues do not come from the gate.

 

I think that players need to make some further concessions, but it's been entirely one-sided so far. It's time for the owners to play ball and put a real proposal on the table. They will make plenty of money with the expanded playoffs for two seasons. That means an absolutely massive influx of profits for 2021. For a team like the Blue Jays that could mean the difference between 0 playoff games and 10-20 games, just as a hypothetical.

[Boxcar]

 

Regardless of your opinion on some of the points, they are things that the owners pushed for and received.

 

The owners signed players to contracts knowing full well that something like this could come to pass. That's why they make hundreds of millions of dollars, as shown with the Atlanta Braves. The Braves also show that the majority of revenues do not come from the gate.

 

I think that players need to make some further concessions, but it's been entirely one-sided so far. It's time for the owners to play ball and put a real proposal on the table. They will make plenty of money with the expanded playoffs for two seasons. That means an absolutely massive influx of profits for 2021. For a team like the Blue Jays that could mean the difference between 0 playoff games and 10-20 games, just as a hypothetical.

 

Knowing full well something like this would happen? Lol ok

[Deadpool]

 

Knowing full well something like this would happen? Lol ok

 

"The owners get paid because they take all of the risks..."

 

Also, "knowing full well that something like this could come to pass." is not the same as "knowing full well something like this would happen."

[saskjayfan]

 

"The owners get paid because they take all of the risks..."

 

Also, "knowing full well that something like this could come to pass." is not the same as "knowing full well something like this would happen."

 

When you take all the risks you also make the rules. That's why were are going to have a 48 game season. Just announce it and be done with it. The players don't "deserve" a longer season. They assume no risk. The fans "deserve" a longer season, but we're the ones who will get screwed.

[Brownie19]

Grant - MLB offered a 48 game season with full pro-rated salaries. That was their concession. Very easy for someone to simply say the players should have accepted something like that.

[Carlos Danger]

 

Regardless of your opinion on some of the points, they are things that the owners pushed for and received.

 

The owners signed players to contracts knowing full well that something like this could come to pass. That's why they make hundreds of millions of dollars, as shown with the Atlanta Braves. The Braves also show that the majority of revenues do not come from the gate.

 

I think that players need to make some further concessions, but it's been entirely one-sided so far. It's time for the owners to play ball and put a real proposal on the table. They will make plenty of money with the expanded playoffs for two seasons. That means an absolutely massive influx of profits for 2021. For a team like the Blue Jays that could mean the difference between 0 playoff games and 10-20 games, just as a hypothetical.

 

Using Atlanta as an example to show most revenues don't come from the gate is a total false flag.

 

The reason the Braves used to be called America's team in the late 80's, 90's is because way before everyone had 400 channels on their TV, the Braves were being broadcast nationally on TBS. The Braves still have a huge national TV deal with TBS. Only two teams were frequently on Nationally back in the day. The Braves on TBS and the Cubs on WGN. You could get both networks on basic cable anywhere in the USA and on any cable provider.

 

To put this in perspective, not even the Yankees or Red Sox had national networks. YES and NESN are/were only available locally. Now, if you pay for various premium sports packages or multi-channel packages, you can watch NESN or YES in Florida etc. However, that is was not like TBS and WGN.

 

Even Rogers with their national broadcasts don't come near to the numbers of TBS and WGN viewers in general.

 

Trying to use Atlanta as an example by the players is total BS!

[saskjayfan]

Grant - MLB offered a 48 game season with full pro-rated salaries. That was their concession. Very easy for someone to simply say the players should have accepted something like that.

 

The MLB didn't offer that, they just put it that this is what they are going to impose. They were open to negotiations for a longer season.

 

The interesting thing will be once they impose this season and the mlbpa executive say screw it we're not playing. The in fighting among the players themselves should be fun. Anyone who hasn't hit free agency doesn't want to lose a year of service time, especially the players who broke into the league at an older age will be furious and will want to play.

 

The union will say don't worry, we'll sue those bastards and the legal battles will begin. Was it safe to play? Should owners be obligated to give service time when no games were played? If there ends up being no baseball this year this period the off season could be a full on war.

[Grant77]

Grant - MLB offered a 48 game season with full pro-rated salaries. That was their concession. Very easy for someone to simply say the players should have accepted something like that.

 

MLB had the power to unilaterally implement that the entire time. A concession to me would be something greater than the baseline.

 

Regarding the Braves TV deal, teams like the Phillies with local deals also get similar amounts. Their deal is worth roughly 200 million annually.

[Brownie19]

MLB had the power to unilaterally implement that the entire time. A concession to me would be something greater than the baseline.

 

Regarding the Braves TV deal, teams like the Phillies with local deals also get similar amounts. Their deal is worth roughly 200 million annually.

 

When there's no fans in the seats - how can full prorated salaries be considered the baseline?

 

 

Edit - why am I doing this to myself.

[Grant77]

When there's no fans in the seats - how can full prorated salaries be considered the baseline?

 

 

Edit - why am I doing this to myself.

 

MLB has already stated that they unilaterally implement a shortened season if there is no agreement.

 

Players will get their full prorated salaries for each and every game. That's already a part of their contract, it's the baseline.

 

What incentive do the players have to play 76 games at 50% salary (owners last proposal), instead of 50 games at 100% salary. That's less money for more work.