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[Grant77]

And medical technology has no solution in both cases. There is no cure for any virus, only vaccines where you are infected with non-lethal version of the virus.

 

There actually is a cure for some viral infections. They are called antivirals and can reduce or eliminate symptoms. People use them all of the time and they save many lives. They will be used for this virus in time.

[Grant77]

If the virus spreads better in cool and dry conditions then the logical conclusion is that it spreads more poorly in warm and humid conditions.

 

Early studies, including the one from Guangzhou, indicate that this difference is fairly significant. That doesn't mean that it won't spread in less ideal environments, but it could be slowed.

 

Use Occam's razor here Jim. These are early studies, but it's more reasonable to expect Covid 19 to show similar characteristics to other known coronaviruses than to be entirely unaffected by environment as you are suggesting.

[Jimcanuck]

There actually is a cure for some viral infections. They are called antivirals and can reduce or eliminate symptoms. People use them all of the time and they save many lives. They will be used for this virus in time.

 

There are antivirals available for herpes, HIV, and flu. These are not cures.

[max silver]

I get the feeling we are going to be praying for a return to the old arguments, potshots and insults about baseball related matters incredibly soon by the ways things are rapidly turning on here.

[Jimcanuck]

If the virus spreads better in cool and dry conditions then the logical conclusion is that it spreads more poorly in warm and humid conditions.

 

Early studies, including the one from Guangzhou, indicate that this difference is fairly significant. That doesn't mean that it won't spread in less ideal environments, but it could be slowed.

 

Use Occam's razor here Jim. These are early studies, but it's more reasonable to expect Covid 19 to show similar characteristics to other known coronaviruses than to be entirely unaffected by environment as you are suggesting.

 

Your comment that covid-19 is very sensitive to heat and humidity, in other words, is your assumption, nothing more. Whereas the number of confirmed infections in hot climates like Qatar and Saudi Arabia is on par with or higher than the rest of the world.

 

What you are saying is unproven, not supported by facts, and dangerous misinformation.

[Grant77]

There is a case in Qatar, therefore the idea that a virus could be affected by the environment is invalid, even if it is overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community.

 

-JimCanuck

 

If anything is dangerous, it's you saying that:

 

- Reputable scientific studies are not to be believed

- This is on par with the Spanish Flu

- Antivirals do not exist

-There is no treatment for pneumonia

 

Continue if you wish, but I'm done with the conversation. Quit spreading lies. You are only hurting people.

[Jimcanuck]

There is a case in Qatar, therefore the idea that a virus could be affected by the environment is invalid, even if it is overwhelmingly supported by the scientific community.

 

-JimCanuck

 

If anything is dangerous, it's you saying that:

 

- Reputable scientific studies are not to be believed

- This is on par with the Spanish Flu

- Antivirals do not exist

-There is no treatment for pneumonia

 

Continue if you wish, but I'm done with the conversation. Quit spreading lies. You are only hurting people.

 

62 Cases in Kuwait, 189 in Bahrain, 262 in Qatar, 85 in UAE, 62 in SA. Hot climates all.

 

Antiviral medications are not cures, and there is no cure for pneumonia.

 

Reputable sources are comparing the mortality from covid-19 to the Spanish Flu.

 

Reputable scientific sources are to be believed. Not Grant's dangerous extrapolations.

[TheHurl]

Jim arguing with Grant is the second best outcome to come from COVID-19 (after Disney closing)

[Grant77]

"Reputable sources are comparing the mortality from covid-19 to the Spanish Flu."

 

Jim, I'll buy you and all of your reputable sources a beer when Covid19 kills it's 50 millionth person.

[Spanky99]

Finally some good news in concern of Covid19... and from here at home...

 

https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020

 

[Carlos Danger]

62 Cases in Kuwait, 189 in Bahrain, 262 in Qatar, 85 in UAE, 62 in SA. Hot climates all.

 

Antiviral medications are not cures, and there is no cure for pneumonia.

 

Reputable sources are comparing the mortality from covid-19 to the Spanish Flu.

 

Reputable scientific sources are to be believed. Not Grant's dangerous extrapolations.

 

https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065

 

Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

[DigitalRock]

I love how the people saying that this is as bad as the Spanish Flu are calling people idiots for citing statements and numbers from scientific institutions. Panic and misinformation are just as bad as the nonchalant attitude that some others are taking.

 

Jim and Digitalrock maybe you should self isolate from the internet for a couple of weeks to protect others from fear mongering.

 

You doubled down LMAO./...if you were an American, you would be a Trump Supporter:

 

https://www.cnn.com/?refresh=1

 

Show one source that proves your point? It has the same morality rate is is very contagious.....that is a fact right now. Being precaution to try and control it is not fear mongering. maybe you are so scared you are trying to cope by making up BS in your head.

[DigitalRock]

Your first post says the virus is "very sensitive to heat and humidity". How do you draw that conclusion from an unpublished study identifying the ideal transmission temperature?

 

He is an idiot clearly.

[DigitalRock]

"Reputable sources are comparing the mortality from covid-19 to the Spanish Flu."

 

Jim, I'll buy you and all of your reputable sources a beer when Covid19 kills it's 50 millionth person.

 

Another idiotic post...this is 2020..medicine is far better than in 1918 as is the manufacture of medicines, health care, communication......the mortality rate is indeed the same right now, those are facts... It won't kill as many because it's 20 f***ing 20.

[DigitalRock]

SARS was @10%, COVID-19 is nowhere near as deadly (@3.4%-3.7%). The most vulnerable demographic are seniors and those with compromised immune systems. The typical healthy individual infected can and will get better in two weeks with no vaccine.

 

The problem is the two week incubation period and people can spread it while experiencing no symptoms.

 

Got to love it when folks take one stat and twist it to a narrative without looking at the big picture...Covid 19 infected more in China alone then Sars did World wide... If sars had a Death rate of 20% it would still be small compared to Covid because it was not highly transmissable like Covid -19 is...there is more to a virus then just one data point...It's transmission rate is very important.

[Grant77]

Can we ban this guy and delete his posts?

 

Someone reads two ignorant asshats saying that this is as bad as Spanish Flu and might actually believe it. That can have real world consequences. All experts are urging calm and fact based information, not outright lies and fear mongering.

[BTS]

Grant is making the dumbest posts ITT and its not close.

[Orgfiller]

Grant is making the dumbest posts ITT and its not close.

 

This is only day 2 of all sports being gone. It's only going to get much worse from here on out.

[DigitalRock]

Can we ban this guy and delete his posts?

 

Someone reads two ignorant asshats saying that this is as bad as Spanish Flu and might actually believe it. That can have real world consequences. All experts are urging calm and fact based information, not outright lies and fear mongering.

 

You might be the dumbest poster I have ever seen, and that's saying something..The death rate is in fact on par with the spanish flu, you can see this on the WHO's site that is a statistical fact. It is a whopping 6% in italy right now....Can you even read? Do you think they are shutting down countries for laughs?

 

Also, no one said it will be as bad as the Spanish flu, just that the fatality rate is..that's a fact. A century of Human progress in medicine and other areas means it won;t be as bad as that flu, but this Virus is just as bad, all stats show this. Do you think in 1918 Humans were as well equipped as we are now or are you even dumber than you sound?

 

Hilarious you calling others out for lying and mis-information, still waiting on your warm weather claim with facts.

[Boxcar]

You might be the dumbest poster I have ever seen, and that's saying something..The death rate is in fact on par with the spanish flu, you can see this on the WHO's site that is a statistical fact. It is a whopping 6% in italy right now....Can you even read? Do you think they are shutting down countries for laughs?

 

Also, no one said it will be as bad as the Spanish flu, just that the fatality rate is..that's a fact. A century of Human progress in medicine and other areas means it won;t be as bad as that flu, but this Virus is just as bad, all stats show this. Do you think in 1918 Humans were as well equipped as we are now or are you even dumber than you sound?

 

Hilarious you calling others out for lying and mis-information, still waiting on your warm weather claim with facts.

 

He's not dumb, his head is just really far up his own ass.

[DigitalRock]

He's not dumb, his head is just really far up his own ass.

 

Sounds painful.

[Jimcanuck]

https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065

 

Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

 

Read that a few days ago. Is it known that the same applies to covid-19?

[BTS]

You might be the dumbest poster I have ever seen, and that's saying something..The death rate is in fact on par with the spanish flu, you can see this on the WHO's site that is a statistical fact. It is a whopping 6% in italy right now....Can you even read? Do you think they are shutting down countries for laughs?

 

Also, no one said it will be as bad as the Spanish flu, just that the fatality rate is..that's a fact. A century of Human progress in medicine and other areas means it won;t be as bad as that flu, but this Virus is just as bad, all stats show this. Do you think in 1918 Humans were as well equipped as we are now or are you even dumber than you sound?

 

Hilarious you calling others out for lying and mis-information, still waiting on your warm weather claim with facts.

 

It’s hard to read because everyone is saying true things. Grant wasn’t lying when he said that he read that the ideal temperature for the virus was 8C or whatever. He just misspoke when he extrapolated that the virus was very sensitive to heat and humidity. It might be true, but it’s not a necessary conclusion of the previous fact, and experts have gone on record saying they’re concerned that this won’t be meaningfully slowed by warmer temperatures. If Grant would have just admitted that his post was a bit optimistic, this argument doesn’t happen.

[Laika]

https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065

 

Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus.

 

Read that a few days ago. Is it known that the same applies to covid-19?

 

That's only interesting to me because the author is a "solar technology" engineer (not a medical doctor, or epidemiologist, or even someone with a health sciences degree) who has written a couple of s***** books on the healing power of the sun. It's s***** historical fiction and pseudoscience. Some might call it charlatanism.

 

Certainly it's nothing approaching science.

 

This information is akin to someone trying to convince dummies that electromagnetic fields are causing autism, or that "negative ions" or whatever can prevent cancer and keep you generally healthier.

[DigitalRock]

It’s hard to read because everyone is saying true things. Grant wasn’t lying when he said that he read that the ideal temperature for the virus was 8C or whatever. He just misspoke when he extrapolated that the virus was very sensitive to heat and humidity. It might be true, but it’s not a necessary conclusion of the previous fact, and experts have gone on record saying they’re concerned that this won’t be meaningfully slowed by warmer temperatures. If Grant would have just admitted that his post was a bit optimistic, this argument doesn’t happen.

 

Well yes, someone not being able to admit their ignorance, then doubling down is the cause of many arguments.

[Grant77]

Good lord the hypocrisy. There is an infinite amount of evidence that all viruses are sensitive to certain levels of heat and humidity. There isn't any debate but on this forum.

 

You guys choose to pick on that completely innocuous statement instead of addressing people saying that we have no treatment for pneumonia, that antivirals can't cure viral infections, and that the death rate for this may be north of 10%. Holy crap.

[Jimcanuck]

Good lord the hypocrisy. There is an infinite amount of evidence that all viruses are sensitive to certain levels of heat and humidity. There isn't any debate but on this forum.

 

You guys choose to pick on that completely innocuous statement instead of addressing people saying that we have no treatment for pneumonia, that antivirals can't cure viral infections, and that the death rate for this may be north of 10%. Holy crap.

 

The problem, Grant, is your refusal to admit your error in that 'innocuous statement' that in fact propagates a widely circulating myth about covid-19 and heat.

 

It is not known if the virus is negligibly, somewhat, or very sensitive to heat and humidity. Until then, everyone should assume the virus is just as transmissible in Canada as it is in Costa Rica (where cases have gone up significantly).

Edited March 14, 2020 by Jimcanuck

[Boxcar]

Arguing with Grant is completely fruitless, not sure why you guys do it. He'll never admit to being wrong, will twist words, cherry pick, etc. and even if you get to a point where he can't refute the fact that he's wrong, he'll just vacate the thread. You're never going to convince him of anything and are just banging your heads on the wall.

 

The correct thing to do is pat him on the head and tell him good job.

[BTS]

Good lord the hypocrisy. There is an infinite amount of evidence that all viruses are sensitive to certain levels of heat and humidity. There isn't any debate but on this forum.

 

You guys choose to pick on that completely innocuous statement instead of addressing people saying that we have no treatment for pneumonia, that antivirals can't cure viral infections, and that the death rate for this may be north of 10%. Holy crap.

 

https://ccdd.hsph.harvard.edu/will-covid-19-go-away-on-its-own-in-warmer-weather/

 

"The short answer is that while we may expect modest declines in the contagiousness of SARS-CoV-2 in warmer, wetter weather and perhaps with the closing of schools in temperate regions of the Northern Hemisphere, it is not reasonable to expect these declines alone to slow transmission enough to make a big dent."

 

This is what a Harvard epidemiologist has to say, and it mirrors everything else I've seen on the issue.

 

Take these two statements:

1. Virus A propagates better at lower temperatures and humidity.

2. The difference isn't likely big enough to meaningfully help in the fight against it.

 

Both of those statements can be true. You've correctly pointed out that the first statement is probably true as it relates to the coronavirus. You then extrapolated that "the virus is very sensitive to heat and humidity". Others have pointed out to you that your extrapolation hasn't been demonstrated yet, and that experts seem to be suggesting that statement 2, above might be true.

 

You're partially right, but in typical Grant fashion you'd rather argue for 5 pages than admit to the area where you're partially wrong.

[DigitalRock]

Good lord the hypocrisy. There is an infinite amount of evidence that all viruses are sensitive to certain levels of heat and humidity. There isn't any debate but on this forum.

 

You guys choose to pick on that completely innocuous statement instead of addressing people saying that we have no treatment for pneumonia, that antivirals can't cure viral infections, and that the death rate for this may be north of 10%. Holy crap.

 

You are still spreading garbage...again experts who study this for a living have stated we do not know, and that early evidence suggest heat/humidity do not slow the virus enough to matter in the grand scheme, see links I posted before..Why do you keep dumbing down on idiocy? Trump supporter playbook 101. There is not any debate? Did you not even read the articles I posted? LOL Grant thinks he know more the WHO and infectious disease experts. I kind of felt bad for calling you an idiot before..now I don't, you clearly are one.

 

Who said the death rate could be over 10%? I never saw anyone saw that anywhere. Please point it out.

 

Now he has gone further and says "All Viruses" The heat sure slowed down Ebola in Africa.