Offseason grading thread

[MusicaEsLivida]

Hey all

 

Whats your opinion on the OFFSEASON noise made by Shapiro and Atkins

 

1- What would you grade a list of what we needed vs what we have acquired?

 

2- Give a grade to each player we have acquired

 

3- What needs to be still addressed and how confident are you that we can address this need still?

 

4- Should we now still be looking to move Giles or extending him?

 

5- What portion of the season do you think we may see Pearson promoted?

 

6- Will Vlad take that next step and become a legit force like he was expected to be?

 

Or.. any other questions you may see or want to offer an opinion on.

 

I am interested where everyone sees this active offseason so far?

[MusicaEsLivida]

me.. i think

 

shapiro and atkins get a B+ so far. I think they brought in lots of depth in the rotation that hopefully will result in success just through the completion for those spots.

 

Ryu (A) Roark ( Anderson (B-) Shaw (B-) Shoemaker (B+) Yamaguchi (?)

 

I feel we need just one more thing to really compete and (Have a chance too) be in that wild card battle. Let me clarify that I am not predicting we take a wild card. Just say we can be in that race if.. We add a legit OF bat preferably at CF. However not confident we will get this done.

 

Giles? I don't see why if we added all this we would trade him unless we discover that one of those SP that don't make the rotation move to the bullpen and look to be a legit Closer

 

PEARSON, maybe around the 1/3 point of the season? hoping, he excites me

 

Vlad will take that next step, the team will also load manage him a bit. He admitted he ran out of fuel this season.

 

In general this will be a much more exciting season. I never lose my interest in the Jays win or lose but this group could be very fun to watch

[Pendleton]

I'd rate the Shaw deal as an 'A' without a doubt. The cost is so minimal compared to the potential upside, and we get that extra year of control as well.

[MusicaEsLivida]

very true...

[Jimcanuck]

Smart signings, with one true overpay in Ryu, the others are quite competitive.

 

Projects as a slightly below .500 team right now, IMO.

 

They aren't done, so this thread is 3 months premature.

[Grant77]

Hey all

 

Whats your opinion on the OFFSEASON noise made by Shapiro and Atkins

 

1- What would you grade a list of what we needed vs what we have acquired?

 

2- Give a grade to each player we have acquired

 

3- What needs to be still addressed and how confident are you that we can address this need still?

 

4- Should we now still be looking to move Giles or extending him?

 

5- What portion of the season do you think we may see Pearson promoted?

 

6- Will Vlad take that next step and become a legit force like he was expected to be?

 

Or.. any other questions you may see or want to offer an opinion on.

 

I am interested where everyone sees this active offseason so far?

 

1. We've acquired what we needed most, namely 3 good starting pitchers. I had my doubts, but they pulled it off. There's work to be done in the bullpen and perhaps in the outfield, but they get an incomplete A at this point.

 

2.

Anderson and Roark (B-)- We picked them up for market value. It's hard to grade until we see then perform.

 

Ryu (A+)- Everyone had doubts, but we got an ace at a reasonable term. Well done Shatkins.

 

Shaw (B+)- Shaw is a risk after the season he just had, but there's a lot to like. Good bounceback potential, low salary, and extra control.

 

3. I think that several moves are needed to address the bullpen. There isn't a ton out there so I'm not entirely confident that we can cobble together a solid group. I'm more confident that we can get some OF/DH depth and a competent backup shortstop.

 

4. I would still be looking to trade Giles. If a good offer comes along now then jump on it. He will also have plenty of suitors at the deadline.

 

5. I think Pearson will be up after the super 2 deadline. There's no point in wearing out his arm in the minors when he's ready.

 

6. Vlad has some lofty expectations to live up to. I think we'll continue to see improvements on defense and with the bat. People forget how young he is when trashing the defense. I think he could still be competent there if we are patient and he gets in shape.

[saskjayfan]

Hey all

 

Whats your opinion on the OFFSEASON noise made by Shapiro and Atkins

 

1- What would you grade a list of what we needed vs what we have acquired?

 

2- Give a grade to each player we have acquired

 

3- What needs to be still addressed and how confident are you that we can address this need still?

 

4- Should we now still be looking to move Giles or extending him?

 

5- What portion of the season do you think we may see Pearson promoted?

 

6- Will Vlad take that next step and become a legit force like he was expected to be?

 

Or.. any other questions you may see or want to offer an opinion on.

 

I am interested where everyone sees this active offseason so far?

 

1. Overall grade of B

 

2. Ryu A+, Shaw B, Yamaguchi B, Anderson C+, Roark D

 

3. Pitching both in the Rotation and in the bullpen. I doubt we do much more.

 

4. I've already stated I'm in the extend Giles camp.

 

5. Mid June

 

6. I expect Vlad to have a 130 wRC+ so I think that qualifies as a nice leap.

[Maine Jays]

3) Marte. Of all the supposedly available CF options, he'd make the greatest impact.

[Abomination]

There's still some pretty interesting bullpen guys out there who should come at a reasonable price, along with some intriguing wildcards.

 

Will Harris, McHugh (if the elbow is okay), Kintzler, Rondon, Cingrani all seem like pretty good targets.

Guys with worse peripherals but consistently good results include relievers like Cishek and Buchter.

Wildcard guys include relievers like Cody Allen (who, reading between the lines, is on a driveline/weighted ball program this offseason) and Holland. I'm sure I'm missing some.

 

I like our offseason so far, but we still need to fill a few holes.

[P2F]

There's still some pretty interesting bullpen guys out there who should come at a reasonable price, along with some intriguing wildcards.

 

Will Harris, McHugh (if the elbow is okay), Kintzler, Rondon, Cingrani all seem like pretty good targets.

Guys with worse peripherals but consistently good results include relievers like Cishek and Buchter.

Wildcard guys include relievers like Cody Allen (who, reading between the lines, is on a driveline/weighted ball program this offseason) and Holland. I'm sure I'm missing some.

 

I like our offseason so far, but we still need to fill a few holes.

 

Craig Stammen, too. Also, pitchers like Alex Wood, Taijuan Walker, Jimmer Nelson, and Drew Smyly are still available and probably better served in some sort of bullpen role.

[Abomination]

Craig Stammen, too. Also, pitchers like Alex Wood, Taijuan Walker, Jimmer Nelson, and Drew Smyly are still available and probably better served in some sort of bullpen role.

 

Yep, missed Stammen. I think the other guys will be looking for a starting pitching job, but I'd happily take any of them.

[THANOS]

Craig Stammen, too. Also, pitchers like Alex Wood, Taijuan Walker, Jimmer Nelson, and Drew Smyly are still available and probably better served in some sort of bullpen role.

 

Jimmy Nelson or Alex Wood as relievers could be lights out and actually might stay healthy.

[Spanky99]

3) Marte. Of all the supposedly available CF options, he'd make the greatest impact.

 

Damn, dare to dream. I'd love that.

[Spanky99]

Jimmy Nelson or Alex Wood as relievers could be lights out and actually might stay healthy.

 

For sure, but as Abom said these guys are Starting gig first, they'll sign very late I'd imagine, they also hold decent value as Openers and late inning work.

[Maico450]

Hudson still available. A 2/8mm may get him.

Otherwise, the offseason is a long ways from over. I think we need a couple of good bullpen arms.

I think we should hang on to Giles until there is a clear view of how the season progresses. We may be surprised.

[Deadpool]

Hudson still available. A 2/8mm may get him.

Otherwise, the offseason is a long ways from over. I think we need a couple of good bullpen arms.

 

And about 25 minor league signings with spring training invites...

[Jimcanuck]

Hudson still available. A 2/8mm may get him.

Otherwise, the offseason is a long ways from over. I think we need a couple of good bullpen arms.

I think we should hang on to Giles until there is a clear view of how the season progresses. We may be surprised.

 

Nope. If the Angels are willing to part with Marsh for Giles, you do it.

[glory]

Nope. If the Angels are willing to part with Marsh for Giles, you do it.

 

Even Giles for Adams would work for me (further away and more likely to bust but Jays can wait on a potential legit CF).

[Ryu In My House]

Hudson still available. A 2/8mm may get him.

Otherwise, the offseason is a long ways from over. I think we need a couple of good bullpen arms.

I think we should hang on to Giles until there is a clear view of how the season progresses. We may be surprised.

 

Hudson is a guy I really like, but at ~ 33 do we really want him? On a cheap 1+1 maybe.

 

He seems like a good dude. May provide that "veteran presence".

[Laika]

Even Giles for Adams would work for me (further away and more likely to bust but Jays can wait on a potential legit CF).

 

That would be *gags* awful.

[max silver]

Hudson is a guy I really like, but at ~ 33 do we really want him? On a cheap 1+1 maybe.

 

He seems like a good dude. May provide that "veteran presence".

 

If Hudson gets paid like a world series hero then you have to pass, but if he gets paid like the fungible bullpen dude who was picked up from the scrap heap in spring training then why the hell not.

[glory]

That would be *gags* awful.

 

Eh, I'd be fine with it. Needs a lot of work, and like I said high chance of being a bust, but if you want to get an actual CF prospect, then have to aim in the lower minors. I doubt too many teams are trading them away when they are refined and in the upper minors, certainly not for a one year rental like Giles. Get them when they are lower in the minors and see if you can work on fixing their issues. If we can get Marsh instead, then obviously do that, but I'm trying to be realistic.

 

I just want a young legit CF option for Giles. Find one with even modest upside who can play the position for a long time and I'll probably be good with the deal.

[saskjayfan]

Nope. If the Angels are willing to part with Marsh for Giles, you do it.

 

The Angels aren't willing to do it, so we should just hang on to Giles. You're not going to get a top prospect from a team for 1 year of Giles.

[Jimcanuck]

The Angels aren't willing to do it, so we should just hang on to Giles. You're not going to get a top prospect from a team for 1 year of Giles.

 

Marsh is not a top prospect. He is not on BA Top 100 or Sickels Top 100 released last week. He's still very much high risk, but a guy that reasonably projects as an average OF with speed.

 

Angels probably don't do it, but after getting Rendon and with the bullpen their main weakness, they might be motivated.

[saskjayfan]

Marsh is not a top prospect. He is not on BA Top 100 or Sickels Top 100 released last week. He's still very much high risk, but a guy that reasonably projects as an average OF with speed.

 

Angels probably don't do it, but after getting Rendon and with the bullpen their main weakness, they might be motivated.

 

He's their 2nd ranked prospect. He's one of the top prospects as it relates to their organization. When you have a crappy farm and not near enough starting pitching, trading one of the better prospects in your organization for a reliever with one year of control probably isn't advisable.

[Jimcanuck]

He's their 2nd ranked prospect. He's one of the top prospects as it relates to their organization. When you have a crappy farm and not near enough starting pitching, trading one of the better prospects in your organization for a reliever with one year of control probably isn't advisable.

 

Value is not determined by ranking within an organization.

[saskjayfan]

Value is not determined by ranking within an organization.

 

I didn't say anything about value. I said top prospect. You keep suggesting we trade anyone who is actually good because you love prospects. The trade you proposed was ridiculous. You said he's a guy who projects as an average outfielder, so you acknowledge the player has value. The Angels are never making that trade.

[Jimcanuck]

I didn't say anything about value. I said top prospect. You keep suggesting we trade anyone who is actually good because you love prospects. The trade you proposed was ridiculous. You said he's a guy who projects as an average outfielder, so you acknowledge the player has value. The Angels are never making that trade.

 

Yes, you said top prospect, which Brandon Marsh is not. So I had to correct you.

[saskjayfan]

Yes, you said top prospect, which Brandon Marsh is not. So I had to correct you.

 

No, you felt the need to argue over the definition of top prospect. Who are the top prospects in Anaheim's system in your mind?

[Laika]

Yes, you said top prospect, which Brandon Marsh is not. So I had to correct you.

 

So subjective. Some will think he is. I bet the Angels think he’s a top 50 MLB prospect