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[connorp]

You guys will watch regardless and think it’s great when Wright gets blown up and it’s 11-0 first inning. Big turn off for casuals

[connorp]

I doubt mlbpa will hop on board. You’d be devaluing your ace pitchers and putting more emphasis on depth. Policy is usually driven by the high earners

[Orgfiller]

This. It's absurd that playoff baseball had become entirely different from regular season baseball, with teams shelving their 4/5 starters and relying on elite relievers for a much higher percentage of their innings. I hope this playoff schedule becomes the norm again.

 

It can't and it won't because of the logistical nightmare that is travelling during the postseason. If LA and New York are in the World Series, are they just gonna play night games, travel across the country next day and play on the same day? It'll never be approved. This season's scenario, which I think is awesome don't get me wrong, is only possible because every game is played at the same venue, and that's obviously not sticking around post pandemic since the league and teams want home field advantage to mean something.

[Laika]

I doubt mlbpa will hop on board. You’d be devaluing your ace pitchers and putting more emphasis on depth. Policy is usually driven by the high earners

 

It has nothing to do with talent, depth, Aces, or viewership.

 

It has everything to do with the union never agreeing to travel without off days. Also, MLB will never want neutral sites. So it will never happen.

[connorp]

It has nothing to do with talent, depth, Aces, or viewership.

 

It has everything to do with the union never agreeing to travel without off days. Also, MLB will never want neutral sites. So it will never happen.

 

Maybe that’s the primary reason but what I said is still true

[Laika]

Maybe that’s the primary reason but what I said is still true

 

No it's not. The "high earners" don't have a seat at the table for these decisions. It's MLB and the union. Nobody from the union is going to take a position that LESS of their members should get a chance to play in the playoffs.

[connorp]

No it's not. The "high earners" don't have a seat at the table for these decisions. It's MLB and the union. Nobody from the union is going to take a position that LESS of their members should get a chance to play in the playoffs.

 

That’s a different animal. You switched gears and made it about how many teams are in the playoffs

 

Edit: I guess I see what you meant but it’s wrong:)

[connorp]

I can promise you the NBA is very concerned about ratings and their product as we’re taking billions and billions of dollars in the next tv contract at stake, which both owners and players rely on.

 

Mlb wouldn’t move backwards and put a diluted product out there for the playoffs. But I do agree it’s all about logistics so it doesn’t need to come to that.

[Laika]

I doubt mlbpa will hop on board. You’d be devaluing your ace pitchers and putting more emphasis on depth. Policy is usually driven by the high earners

 

It has nothing to do with talent, depth, Aces, or viewership.

 

It has everything to do with the union never agreeing to travel without off days. Also, MLB will never want neutral sites. So it will never happen.

 

Maybe that’s the primary reason but what I said is still true

 

No it's not. The "high earners" don't have a seat at the table for these decisions. It's MLB and the union. Nobody from the union is going to take a position that LESS of their members should get a chance to play in the playoffs.

 

That’s a different animal. You switched gears and made it about how many teams are in the playoffs

 

Edit: I guess I see what you meant but it’s wrong:)

 

No gear switching. It's a clear line of discussion. You think the top talent has a say in policy, which is absolutely not true in this instance.

 

You're right that MLBPA will never likely never hop on board with no off-days in the playoffs but it has nothing to do with "devaluing talent" or really any consideration whatsoever relating to the product on the field.

[Laika]

MLB should make the World Series 9 games long.

 

- Way back it was 9 games long so there is historic precedent

- It adds games to the playoff slate, which means more TV money and MLB will be happy

- The World Series could have a couple of off-days but still require teams to use their depth. The schedule could be three three game sets with two off days. Nine games in 11 days.

[connorp]

I misinterpreted what you said I first. By “more of their members being in the playoffs” I thought you meant teams and not players (ie backend starters)

 

But as I said, that’s wrong. Basically you’re saying the union would be more concerned about backend SP getting the chance to participate in big games over a policy more casual friendly that will help drive ratings/engagement and mean more money for everyone in the end

[Brownie19]

It has nothing to do with talent, depth, Aces, or viewership.

 

It has everything to do with the union never agreeing to travel without off days. Also, MLB will never want neutral sites. So it will never happen.

 

Isn't a 2-3-2 setup with 2 days for travel the happy medium? 7 games in 9 days (if it goes 7). Before this year, we rarely even had games on back to back days. 7 games was taking 11 to 13 days to play.

 

Unfortunately I do think there's some truth to what connorp is saying; however, my counter is that I don't think casuals and viewers enjoy drawn out playoffs. I think the NBA and NHL suffer from this - the playoffs never f***ing end. Maybe that's just my personal view, but if the MLB is going to stick with the expanded playoffs (and every indication is they will) - I think they need to ensure they consider the pace and try to keep the duration to 4-5 weeks.

[Laika]

I misinterpreted what you said I first. By “more of their members being in the playoffs” I thought you meant teams and not players (ie backend starters)

 

But as I said, that’s wrong. Basically you’re saying the union would be more concerned about backend SP getting the chance to participate in big games over a policy more casual friendly that will help drive ratings/engagement and mean more money for everyone in the end

 

No, I am saying this is not even a line of discussion if either side actually wants this. It's all about negotiated off-days for travel.

 

As an aside, I don't agree with you that the union would give a s*** about some "casual friendly" playoff schedule that limits the amount of union members who get to participate and I don't think the union would have any preference for it.

[Laika]

Isn't a 2-3-2 setup with 2 days for travel the happy medium? 7 games in 9 days (if it goes 7). Before this year, we rarely even had games on back to back days. 7 games was taking 11 to 13 days to play.

 

Unfortunately I do think there's some truth to what connorp is saying; however, my counter is that I don't think casuals and viewers enjoy drawn out playoffs. I think the NBA and NHL suffer from this - the playoffs never f***ing end. Maybe that's just my personal view, but if the MLB is going to stick with the expanded playoffs (and every indication is they will) - I think they need to ensure they consider the pace and try to keep the duration to 4-5 weeks.

 

wat

[connorp]

Isn't a 2-3-2 setup with 2 days for travel the happy medium? 7 games in 9 days (if it goes 7). Before this year, we rarely even had games on back to back days. 7 games was taking 11 to 13 days to play.

 

Unfortunately I do think there's some truth to what connorp is saying; however, my counter is that I don't think casuals and viewers enjoy drawn out playoffs. I think the NBA and NHL suffer from this - the playoffs never f***ing end. If the MLB is going to stick with the expanded playoffs (and every indication is they will) - they need to ensure they consider the pace and try to keep the duration to 4-5 weeks.

 

Well, it’s really a double edged sword. Yeah I think casuals are leery of drawn out playoffs but that’s coming from making more rounds and when you’re making more rounds you’re doing it for more casual fan engagement, not only for playoffs but stretch run.

[connorp]

No, I am saying this is not even a line of discussion if either side actually wants this. It's all about negotiated off-days for travel.

 

As an aside, I don't agree with you that the union would give a s*** about some "casual friendly" playoff schedule that limits the amount of union members who get to participate and I don't think the union would have any preference for it.

 

If not the union, mlb. So if union wasn’t opposed, that’s what it’d be

[Laika]

If not the union, mlb. So if union wasn’t opposed, that’s what it’d be

 

Gear switching

 

You literally said "Policy is usually driven by the high earners." The only sensible interpretation of that statement is that the front end starters, through the union, would exert pressure to change policy so they are starting all of the postseason games.

 

I don't think MLB is going to want to create any more inflation on upper tier player salaries, Connor...

 

MLB probably f***ing WANTS teams like Oakland and Tampa to win and be popular. If depth wins flags owners save oodles of money.

[glory]

Isn't a 2-3-2 setup with 2 days for travel the happy medium? 7 games in 9 days (if it goes 7). Before this year, we rarely even had games on back to back days. 7 games was taking 11 to 13 days to play.

 

The 2019 World Series went 7 games. It started on October 22 and ended on October 30. So 7 games in 9 days. That's how it has always been for a 7 game series. The 5 game series that goes 5 games would take 7 days to finish. Baseball has always been pretty good with minimizing off days. It's usually just a day for travel. You might be thinking of the NBA which takes 7 months to get past the first round (at least it feels that way).

[connorp]

Gear switching

 

You literally said "Policy is usually driven by the high earners." The only sensible interpretation of that statement is that the front end starters, through the union, would exert pressure to change policy so they are starting all of the postseason games.

 

I don't think MLB is going to want to create any more inflation on upper tier player salaries, Connor...

 

MLB probably f***ing WANTS teams like Oakland and Tampa to win and be popular. If depth wins flags owners save oodles of money.

 

What I’m saying is this (and try not to just be Mr. Smarty pants and just use some logic): if you’re a baseball exec and the no off days becomes a thing, does this not effect how you construct your team? Putting a higher value on back end guys and make you at a least a smidge more hesitant to add that extra 0 to the Ace contract”

[Laika]

What I’m saying is this (and try not to just be Mr. Smarty pants and just use some logic): if you’re a baseball exec and the no off days becomes a thing, do this not effect how you construct your team? Putting a higher value on back end guys and make you at a least a smidge more hesitant to add that extra 0 to the Ace contract”

 

Sorry that you are taking such a beating here but there's no need to call me names.

 

No, it would not change how any baseball executive builds a team.

[connorp]

Sorry that you are taking such a beating here but there's no need to call me names.

 

No, it would not change how any baseball executive builds a team.

 

Well maybe when you’re Cyborg or North and get a front office job, I’ll listen. Until then you’re just the bjmb Mr. Smarty pants.

 

Mic drop:)

[Laika]

Well maybe when you’re Cyborg or North and get a front office job, I’ll listen. Until then you’re just the bjmb Mr. Smarty pants.

 

Mic drop:)

 

I make too much money to work in baseball, sadly. Golden handcuffs.

[connorp]

I make too much money to work in baseball, sadly. Golden handcuffs.

 

I’m going to ignore this reply and continue enjoying my shot

[Brownie19]

The 2019 World Series went 7 games. It started on October 22 and ended on October 30. So 7 games in 9 days. That's how it has always been for a 7 game series. The 5 game series that goes 5 games would take 7 days to finish. Baseball has always been pretty good with minimizing off days. It's usually just a day for travel. You might be thinking of the NBA which takes 7 months to get past the first round (at least it feels that way).

 

That's fair - I probably should have looked it up - but that makes sense with the WS as their is only 2 teams. Does the ALCS and ALDS work the same though? It feels like the AL plays one night and the NL the next night...but again, I could be wrong.

[connorp]

Even in the bubble the NBA was taking 3 days between Finals games. Ridiculous

 

Honestly I can’t even understand the logic to that. I guess if they were looking at or were given certain nights of the week idk. Not sure specifics of their deal

[Orgfiller]

Isn't a 2-3-2 setup with 2 days for travel the happy medium? 7 games in 9 days (if it goes 7). Before this year, we rarely even had games on back to back days. 7 games was taking 11 to 13 days to play.

 

Unfortunately I do think there's some truth to what connorp is saying; however, my counter is that I don't think casuals and viewers enjoy drawn out playoffs. I think the NBA and NHL suffer from this - the playoffs never f***ing end. Maybe that's just my personal view, but if the MLB is going to stick with the expanded playoffs (and every indication is they will) - I think they need to ensure they consider the pace and try to keep the duration to 4-5 weeks.

 

The 2019 World Series started on October the 22nd and Game 7 was on October the 30th. The 2017 World Series started on October 24th and Game 7 was on November 1st. The 2016 World Series started on October 25th and Game 7 was on November 2nd. Just what exactly are you on about? The MLB playoffs have never taken more than just barely over a month at worst, and the World Series is already played in exactly the same number of days that you're suggesting lol. You're literally complaining about something which doesn't exist.

[Orgfiller]

That's fair - I probably should have looked it up - but that makes sense with the WS as their is only 2 teams. Does the ALCS and ALDS work the same though? It feels like the AL plays one night and the NL the next night...but again, I could be wrong.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-postseason-schedule

 

It's really not that hard to look up. The league usually schedules one league to begin a day prior to the other and then they overlap plenty until the final day in which the other league will finish. It actually ensures there being as much baseball being played every day as possible.

[Stangstag]

That's fair - I probably should have looked it up - but that makes sense with the WS as their is only 2 teams. Does the ALCS and ALDS work the same though? It feels like the AL plays one night and the NL the next night...but again, I could be wrong.

 

Dude

[Brownie19]

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-postseason-schedule

 

It's really not that hard to look up. The league usually schedules one league to begin a day prior to the other and then they overlap plenty until the final day in which the other league will finish. It actually ensures there being as much baseball being played every day as possible.

 

You shouldn't underestimate how lazy I can be when I want. I'm dumn - sorry guys.

 

 

also, after reading this:

 

Luis Garcia will start Thursday's Game 5 against the Rays, manager Dusty Baker announced.

The 23-year-old Garcia will be making his first postseason appearance after starting once and relieving four times for the Astros this season (he gave up four runs and posted a 9/5 K/BB ratio in 12 1/3 innings). The Astros will probably turn to Chase De Jong if Garcia gets knocked out early.

 

I'm back on the fence on how many days off they get. That is pretty turrible.

[Laika]

You shouldn't underestimate how lazy I can be when I want. I'm dumn - sorry guys.

 

 

also, after reading this:

 

Luis Garcia will start Thursday's Game 5 against the Rays, manager Dusty Baker announced.

The 23-year-old Garcia will be making his first postseason appearance after starting once and relieving four times for the Astros this season (he gave up four runs and posted a 9/5 K/BB ratio in 12 1/3 innings). The Astros will probably turn to Chase De Jong if Garcia gets knocked out early.

 

I'm back on the fence on how many days off they get. That is pretty turrible.

 

I like this. The vastly inferior team now has a vastly inferior chance of winning today.

 

Luis Garcia is an okay prospect though so there is a chance he just goes off and shuts down a team that has never seen him before. I think his stuff is solid.