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[TheHurl]

If the season gets cancelled Manfred and Clark should step down.

[Barkerfan23]

I'll be very surprised if this continues and the season doesn't get called off due to Gov pressure

[Olerud363]

Baseball posts only!

 

The mask issue is baseball related as it pertains to keeping players healthy and on the field. I don't see it as being any different than discussing pitch counts. People might have their own opinions and data but as long as they are not calling each other ass-hats is there really an issue? The mask thing is is different then a BLM conversation with people calling each other morons, Marxists and Fascists.

[Ehjays]

 

The only good news about this tweet is that The Jays held Big Nate off the big club, imagine losing 1 full year of control and this potentially

happening.

[Thaddeus Malice]

Reds too. Matt Davidson positive test. Nick Senzel and Moose have flu like symptoms.

 

 

Matt Davidson was the only guy who didn't wear a mask and is an idiot on his Twitter. Unsurprising he might be the cause of another team seeing infections.

[Thaddeus Malice]

Also it's kind of f***ed up that the Marlins knew there were multiple positive tests and played the Phillies. Like how the f*** was that fair to the Phillies players?

[wilko]

[Boxcar]

Don't make me google a word on a Monday morning Boxy. That's rude.

 

I realize it's not the ultimate solution, but it could be something they do to 'help' (even if it's only a marginal improvement).

 

My experience with masks, and idk if other people have noticed/feel this way, is that many, many people think masks give them much more protection than they actually do. The problem occurs when this causes people to seem to care less about maintaining social distancing and whatnot. People are just generally less careful. In Region of Waterloo, for example, where I live, mandatory face covering while inside a public place came into effect July 13th. Since then, I have definitely noticed people being less cautious.

 

I recognize this is anecdotal, but I feel like masks are being oversold, with slogans like "save lives, wear a mask." I feel like that is dangerous wording because that's not what masks are capable of.

 

Bringing it back to baseball, this could also drop the guard of the players like it does with regular people. That's my worry.

[philly30]

My experience with masks, and idk if other people have noticed/feel this way, is that many, many people think masks give them much more protection than they actually do. The problem occurs when this causes people to seem to care less about maintaining social distancing and whatnot. People are just generally less careful. In Region of Waterloo, for example, where I live, mandatory face covering while inside a public place came into effect July 13th. Since then, I have definitely noticed people being less cautious.

 

I recognize this is anecdotal, but I feel like masks are being oversold, with slogans like "save lives, wear a mask." I feel like that is dangerous wording because that's not what masks are capable of.

 

Bringing it back to baseball, this could also drop the guard of the players like it does with regular people. That's my worry.

 

Need combination of masks + social distancing which many people will just not do

[Ray]

I'd be surprised if the Reds/Cubs game goes on tonight as well. Could be 3 games canceled today.

[Boxcar]

Even if this were true. The fact that it contributes positively to reduce infections should be grounds enough for a rule to be implemented.

 

I agree in principle, but I refer you to my last post regarding its effects on human behaviour.

[BlueRocky]

[Olerud363]

Need combination of masks + social distancing which many people will just not do

 

Jays starting pitchers yesterday are a perfect example. Only 1/4 masked, and although they were sitting 1 seat apart they were still reaching over, shouting in each others face. They had an entire ballpark to spread out in.

 

Though I guess it may seem a bit ridiculous to SD in the ballpark when they will just be hopping on a plane together anyway.

Edited July 27, 2020 by Olerud363

[Olerud363]

If the season gets cancelled Manfred and Clark should step down.

 

You think they could of done a better job keeping this under control?

 

I don't really have a good feel for how and why this outbreak occurred. If I had to guess a player or two went out on the town then spread it to a bunch of others.

 

Could they have prevented the first part?? Maybe stricter rules on socializing outside of the ballpark. What about the second?? Seems to me, just watching the Jays players, that if one guy has it could easily be spread in the ballpark. A lot of close interaction without masks.

[Boxcar]

I would say that I'd be surprised if the virus was being transmitted on the field. There's very little player to player contact and when there is, there is rarely situations where guys are breathing or spitting on one another. I think visiting teams have a lot less to worry about as I'd almost guarantee 99% of transmissions come in team clubhouses/airplanes. I would be surprised if a large number of Phillies acquired the virus directly from a Marlins player. I also don't really think the "sharing the clubhouse" thing is a concern. With proper sanitizing, that really shouldn't be an issue at all.

 

I'm trying to assess the actual risk factors. Obviously playing in a current hotspot like Florida, Texas, Arizona or California seemed to be a bad idea and I really think they should avoid playing in those states until the virus is under control.

[Bobthe4th]

[Boxcar]

I hate everything. I'd have rather had no baseball than this cocktease.

 

I guess the worry about where the Jays play is completely irrelevant now. What happens with the NFL, now? High contact sport where bodily fluids are flying through the air, many more people on the field/clubhouse and many, many more players who are at higher risk due to obesity.

[Stangstag]

I feel like this season will only work if they have testing before EVERY game and get the results before first pitch.

 

Also seems extremely stupid that MLB did almost nothing to reduce travel. Like why do we have to travel to Tampa 2 more times? They should have scheduled longer 5 or 6 game series to reduce the bulk of the travel. Would also allow more time to catch outbreaks and isolate the 2 teams.

[RobinThicc]

MLB's "plan" was always susceptible to this happening. Manfred is running a s*** show.

[Stangstag]

MLB's "plan" was always susceptible to this happening. Manfred is running a s*** show.

 

Not only his fault, apparently the Players Association refused any plan that involved playing in a bubble.

[Bobthe4th]

[Boxcar]

I feel like this season will only work if they have testing before EVERY game and get the results before first pitch.

 

Also seems extremely stupid that MLB did almost nothing to reduce travel. Like why do we have to travel to Tampa 2 more times? They should have scheduled longer 5 or 6 game series to reduce the bulk of the travel. Would also allow more time to catch outbreaks and isolate the 2 teams.

 

I'm guessing for balance reasons, I don't know, but I agree. If you're going to play a team this season, do the games all at once without regard for home/away stadiums. We should have played 10 in a row against Tampa, then against Baltimore, then against NYY, etc.

[Bobthe4th]

[BTS]

I'm guessing for balance reasons, I don't know, but I agree. If you're going to play a team this season, do the games all at once without regard for home/away stadiums. We should have played 10 in a row against Tampa, then against Baltimore, then against NYY, etc.

 

I was shocked when the schedule was released and it didn't look like what you're suggesting. At the very least teams should have played 12 5-game series. The standard set of 3-4 game series doesn't make any sense in the current environment.

[BTS]

Also, interesting that they're calling these games canceled and not postponed. So the season is going to end wit a bunch of teams having played different amounts of games?

[RobinThicc]

Not only his fault, apparently the Players Association refused any plan that involved playing in a bubble.

 

True. Pretty brutal, but I believe the MLB was asking for the bubbles to be in Arizona and Florida because they have enough fields.

[wilko]

They should have just adjusted this years schedule to each division playing each other and create a bubble ballpark for each division.

[BTS]

They should have just adjusted this years schedule to each division playing each other and create a bubble ballpark for each division.

 

If the league and PA were serious about having a full season they could have had five 6-team hubs and played three games a day at each park. I'm guessing it would have been feasible to create a bubble for 6 teams around a MiLB park in Montana or whatever, with little risk of infection.

[Slade]

[glory]

The MLBPA didn't want to bubble its players. I think this was essentially 1) do what MLB ultimately did, or 2) do not have a season. No in between.