General 2020 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[JuneBug]

I don't think the presence of Grichuk has much, or any, impact on a Jays decision to pursue an elite guy like Springer.

 

So if the Jays were to land a top-tier CFer, we are talking about Grichuck, Teoscar and Gurriel, sharing time in the corner OF (and each with a few outings as DH). I guess it depends what you can get for any of these 3 in trade. If a deal can be made with one of them and a top pitching prospect, like Kloffenstein for example, being dealt for a high end, MLB ready, pitching prospect it seems you need to make the move. Question is how much of Grichuk's remaining $30M owed that the Jay's send the other way. Would be a big gamble for an unproven even if top tier prospect.

[Laika]

So if the Jays were to land a top-tier CFer, we are talking about Grichuck, Teoscar and Gurriel, sharing time in the corner OF (and each with a few outings as DH). I guess it depends what you can get for any of these 3 in trade. If a deal can be made with one of them and a top pitching prospect, like Kloffenstein for example, being dealt for a high end, MLB ready, pitching prospect it seems you need to make the move. Question is how much of Grichuk's remaining $30M owed that the Jay's send the other way. Would be a big gamble for an unproven even if top tier prospect.

 

They could also consider dealing Hernandez or Gurriel for an established MLB SP. Teo and Lourdes should have a lot of trade value.

[JuneBug]

They could also consider dealing Hernandez or Gurriel for an established MLB SP. Teo and Lourdes should have a lot of trade value.

 

As long as it's not an established pitcher like Roark or Chase Anderson (retreads). What team might need some corner OF help and has a surplus of young pitching? Hmm, maybe AA over there who appears about to lose Ozuna? I wonder if he would be crazy enough to trade Soroka. I would give him Gurriel, Woods-Richardson (or Manoah), and Groshans-- now I am starting to sound like Dave Stewart trading for Shelby Millar

[Terminator]

They could also consider dealing Hernandez or Gurriel for an established MLB SP. Teo and Lourdes should have a lot of trade value.

 

That would be wise. We have a surplus of corner OFers right now to go along with some additional DH types on top of that. It's causing a bit of a logjam which is hurting our defense more than anything right now. We also really need more starting pitching.

[Jimcanuck]

As long as it's not an established pitcher like Roark or Chase Anderson (retreads). What team might need some corner OF help and has a surplus of young pitching? Hmm, maybe AA over there who appears about to lose Ozuna? I wonder if he would be crazy enough to trade Soroka. I would give him Gurriel, Woods-Richardson (or Manoah), and Groshans-- now I am starting to sound like Dave Stewart trading for Shelby Millar

 

No way would I move that package for Soroka. There's a very good chance SWR is better than Soroka as soon as 2022.

[Stangstag]

That would be wise. We have a surplus of corner OFers right now to go along with some additional DH types on top of that. It's causing a bit of a logjam which is hurting our defense more than anything right now. We also really need more starting pitching.

 

Guarantee Atlanta/AA would trade Vlad for Soroka straight up. Would probably be a good move for both teams honestly.

[glory]

As long as it's not an established pitcher like Roark or Chase Anderson (retreads). What team might need some corner OF help and has a surplus of young pitching?

 

Not sure they'd move anyone else after trading Clevinger, but the Indians definitely need OF help and seem to always have SP depth.

 

I'm fine with moving Hernandez (K% is still very high so maybe a good sell high candidate) but have to make sure to get a legit rotation upgrade. I think I'd want to hold on to Gurriel.

[glory]

 

Well, I guess we can applaud the effort by Randal.

[THANOS]

No way would I move that package for Soroka. There's a very good chance SWR is better than Soroka as soon as 2022.

 

Totally agree with this.

[JuneBug]

No way would I move that package for Soroka. There's a very good chance SWR is better than Soroka as soon as 2022.

 

But there is a very good chance (from what he has shown in 214 ip with 4.9 fWAR at the BIG LEAGUE level), that Soroka could be as good as Roy Halladay in 2021. And he just turned 23. Giving up several unproven prospects for a guy that has shown 'he's got it' in The Show makes so much sense (the Achilles will heal fine enough it shouldn't significantly affect his pitching). Getting the 'best player' who also fits your window can usually 'win' the trade. It reminds me of the Jay's trade that brought over Donaldson.

[Laika]

No way would I move that package for Soroka. There's a very good chance SWR is better than Soroka as soon as 2022.

 

Nope. Not unless your definition of "good chance" is like, a 10% probability.

 

(the hypothetical trade is still too much)

[JuneBug]

Nope. Not unless your definition of "good chance" is like, a 10% probability.

 

(the hypothetical trade is still too much)

 

WHOOPS! I just realized my original suggestion was Soroka for "Gurriel, Woods-Richardson (or Manoah), and Groshans". Then later I was talking about only giving up unproven prospects. Gurriel has proven himself a good MLB player; still with some 'breakout' potential. But, I still think the massive upside of Soroka will be the winner. See Astros 2017, Verlander; Red Sox 2018, Sale; Nationals 2019, Strasburg.

[Terminator]

no offense intended but your comment suggests that you are a homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that, )

 

You're in for a treat this winter when we hold another hottest Jays players contest.

[Jimcanuck]

Nope. Not unless your definition of "good chance" is like, a 10% probability.

 

(the hypothetical trade is still too much)

 

20-25%, or 1 in 4/5.

[Dick_Pole]

 

Well, I guess we can applaud the effort by Randal.

 

He's trying to add value in some way. Glad to see I wouldn't have been the only one to point out the bourder comment.

[JuneBug]

20-25%, or 1 in 4/5.

 

you had me confused for a bit. Probably more clear to say 20-25% (1/5 to 1/4)

[RobinThicc]

0 chance Atkins or Shapiro would want Bauer

 

He's too against the grain. They want people that will do whatever they want them to.

[Jimcanuck]

you had me confused for a bit. Probably more clear to say 20-25% (1/5 to 1/4)

 

u understood it

[TheHurl]

0 chance Atkins or Shapiro would want Bauer

 

He's too against the grain. They want people that will do whatever they want them to.

 

I don't think Bauer's thought process is that far off from the F.O. It would come down to usage. Luba wants to meet in the States or by phone as she does not wish to take two weeks out of her meetings

[Dick_Pole]

I don't think Bauer's thought process is that far off from the F.O. It would come down to usage. Luba wants to meet in the States or by phone as she does not wish to take two weeks out of her meetings

 

Guessing that might be sarcasm, but would even one remotely important decision maker from the FO be in Canada right now?

[TheHurl]

Guessing that might be sarcasm, but would even one remotely important decision maker from the FO be in Canada right now?

 

Atkins lives in Toronto full time now I think.

[Laika]

Atkins lives in Toronto full time now I think.

 

Walking the walk baby

[King]

My twitter timeline is full of people extremely Mad Online™ about Trevor Bauer right now

[TheHurl]

 

I love this one

[Abomination]

Atkins lives in Toronto full time now I think.

 

I thought the Jays moved all their offices to Dunedin?

[The Iceman]

Shoemaker quoted today saying it might be tough to get FA to sign in Toronto due to COVID

[Eat My Shatkins]

Shoemaker quoted today saying it might be tough to get FA to sign in Toronto due to COVID

 

 

Here's the quote.

 

"If COVID-19 is still a factor ... that could play a huge aspect in anybody coming to Toronto, and hopefully it doesn't," Shoemaker told Sportsnet's "The Good Show" on Wednesday. "I think in general, before this season, everybody ... loves coming to Toronto when they play them on the road. ... But I think it's semi-tough for people to go to Toronto over a picking a different team in a regular season because some people are intimidated about going over the border."

 

 

 

"If Toronto wants you and they want to sign you to a deal, oh, but hey, the government still says, 'You guys have to play in a bubble,' (and) maybe you're the only team (in a bubble) because it's Canada, and your family can't come, that would be a really big discussion," the 34-year-old said.

 

 

 

[Spanky99]

And here we go...

 

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[Spanky99]

El. Capitan #68 play of the year defensively.

[Spanky99]

Damn these plays...