Winter Meetings Dec 8-12

[Grant77]

It's far from clear that Tsutsugo would be better defensively at 1B than Edwin. He's not exactly David Ortiz and wouldn't prevent us from giving DH at-bats to other players.

[Abomination]

The Jays need to keep DH open for Vlad, who they will probably load manage throughout the season depending on what shape he is in. I wouldn't mind Edwin if the team was a middle of the order bat away from contention, but right now, nah. Tsutsugo would make sense if they think he has upside since he fits the team's timeline, but a 37 year old DH is the last thing the Jays need.

 

Meh. Just give Rowdy the day off and put Edwin at 1st. The overall benefit almost certainly outweighs the negative.

[Rusty_Savage]

I must say sir your posts have been a breath of fresh air

 

Kevin and Todd, love at first keystroke

[Pendleton]

I must say sir your posts have been a breath of fresh air

 

Anyone know the best place to buy a gas mask?

[tazsub3]

Nothing short of cloning Masai ujiri and making him run both the jays and the leafs can save these two franchises.

Man i cant believe a word they say. Lost complete interest in offseasons since AA left .

Still love the jays, as a fan, no one can remove that. but i find the club state sad. Hope i am wrong

[Spanky99]

Nothing short of cloning Masai ujiri and making him run both the jays and the leafs can save these two franchises.

Man i cant believe a word they say. Lost complete interest in offseasons since AA left .

Still love the jays, as a fan, no one can remove that. but i find the club state sad. Hope i am wrong

 

I don't get why you're bringing up Ujiri and the Leafs, but why would you say this Org's in a sad state?

[Brownie19]

It's funny how quickly people forget how successful FA signings have historically been. We all see shiny toys on the shelf and see it as a great way to make us better...we forget that most of those toys end up losing their luster and being thrown in the trash shortly after they are opened.

[tazsub3]

Simple, I beleive winning starts at the top, and all i see from shatkins is excuses and plenty of talk.

To be fair i was a big fan of AA, never could stomach of these two.

I keep seeing them make moves that if lucky are sideways moves, and do very bad asset management, and not strive to be the best. The jays are not a small market club, yet they made us one.

I bring masai, mainly for his comment of "believe in your self, believe in the city" and "you play sports to win, nothing short of this matters"

[Barkerfan23]

Nothing short of cloning Masai ujiri and making him run both the jays and the leafs can save these two franchises.

Man i cant believe a word they say. Lost complete interest in offseasons since AA left .

Still love the jays, as a fan, no one can remove that. but i find the club state sad. Hope i am wrong

 

Yeah it's not like the eventual stanley cup winner last year was missing the playoffs in December or anything

[Spanky99]

It's funny how quickly people forget how successful FA signings have historically been. We all see shiny toys on the shelf and see it as a great way to make us better...we forget that most of those toys end up losing their luster and being thrown in the trash shortly after they are opened.

 

Jay fans are losing it on social media, lol.

[Spanky99]

Simple, I beleive winning starts at the top, and all i see from shatkins is excuses and plenty of talk.

To be fair i was a big fan of AA, never could stomach of these two.

I keep seeing them make moves that if lucky are sideways moves, and do very bad asset management, and not strive to be the best. The jays are not a small market club, yet they made us one.

I bring masai, mainly for his comment of "believe in your self, believe in the city" and "you play sports to win, nothing short of this matters"

 

"I said Good Day!"

[Brownie19]

Simple, I beleive winning starts at the top, and all i see from shatkins is excuses and plenty of talk.

To be fair i was a big fan of AA, never could stomach of these two.

I keep seeing them make moves that if lucky are sideways moves, and do very bad asset management, and not strive to be the best. The jays are not a small market club, yet they made us one.

I bring masai, mainly for his comment of "believe in your self, believe in the city" and "you play sports to win, nothing short of this matters"

 

But....AA never won. He gave us a very short window of opportunity.

 

 

It's easy to look at the Yankees and go "I want to be them - spend where you need to, play with the big boys - it will be awesome"

 

But more often than not, you end up being the Angels or the Mets and you're s***. I mean the Phillies signed and added a s*** ton of players last year (and this year) and they still sucked.

[tazsub3]

Valid points, but the way i see it , there is a middle ground. These two are taking the fans for fools and keep putting the same jargon out. You have to try at least, but evey off season its the same crap they feed us

[xposbrad]

Valid points, but the way i see it , there is a middle ground. These two are taking the fans for fools and keep putting the same jargon out. You have to try at least, but evey off season its the same crap they feed us

 

Small retools don't work. This club needed a 4-5 year rebuild, including trading off vets. They had some setbacks ie. with some of their trades but you need to have patience. Obviously this club will need home runs with some of their prospects to have a remote chance of competing with the Yanks etc.. but it's really the only way. So, you want them to try to be middle of the pack every year? Or you want them to have a legit chance with a young exciting core and do things properly?

[Brownie19]

Valid points, but the way i see it , there is a middle ground. These two are taking the fans for fools and keep putting the same jargon out. You have to try at least, but evey off season its the same crap they feed us

 

AA did the exact same thing - he retooled, built the farm system and then put all his chips in the pot (perhaps somewhat foolishly or as a last ditch effort) to go for it. We weren't throwing big FA dollars around every year in the AA days man. It's amazing how quickly people forget and it skews their perception.

[Deadpool]

Simple, I beleive winning starts at the top, and all i see from shatkins is excuses and plenty of talk.

To be fair i was a big fan of AA, never could stomach of these two.

I keep seeing them make moves that if lucky are sideways moves, and do very bad asset management, and not strive to be the best. The jays are not a small market club, yet they made us one.

I bring masai, mainly for his comment of "believe in your self, believe in the city" and "you play sports to win, nothing short of this matters"

 

This is such a hockey fan way of looking at baseball...

 

You have to be a very bad team to miss the playoffs in hockey, you can be a really good baseball team and miss the playoffs consistently.

 

Jays have one of, if not the, best young cores in the sport, they have the payroll flexibility to do pretty much whatever they want (they absolutely could have matched the Yankees deal on Cole, but I'm pretty glad that they didn't, that deal has "David Price's Red Sox contract" written all over it...)

 

AA was a fine GM, but outside of the Donaldson deal most of his "big splashes" ended up being pretty meh overall. But hey, he's a GOOD CANADIAN BOY, right?

[Spanky99]

This is such a hockey fan way of looking at baseball...

 

You have to be a very bad team to miss the playoffs in hockey, you can be a really good baseball team and miss the playoffs consistently.

 

Jays have one of, if not the, best young cores in the sport, they have the payroll flexibility to do pretty much whatever they want (they absolutely could have matched the Yankees deal on Cole, but I'm pretty glad that they didn't, that deal has "David Price's Red Sox contract" written all over it...)

 

AA was a fine GM, but outside of the Donaldson deal most of his "big splashes" ended up being pretty meh overall. But hey, he's a GOOD CANADIAN BOY, right?

 

Hey... WTF?!

[tazsub3]

But my complain is not about throwing big money around. It was mainly by making move after move that are the same and non home runs moves. And what makes me most iritated is the same propaganda they keep putting out there. As if it is a broken record

 

I guess the problem is me, i developed a Shapiro allergic repulsion.

[THANOS]

But my complain is not about throwing big money around. It was mainly by making move after move that are the same and non home runs moves. And what makes me most iritated is the same propaganda they keep putting out there. As if it is a broken record

 

I guess the problem is me, i developed a Shapiro allergic repulsion.

 

Throwing big money at FAs shouldn't ever be an annual thing. It should be entirely based on timing and flexibility. Those are two terms that many casuals either can't comprehend or refuse to take note of.

[Brownie19]

But my complain is not about throwing big money around. It was mainly by making move after move that are the same and non home runs moves. And what makes me most iritated is the same propaganda they keep putting out there. As if it is a broken record

 

I guess the problem is me, i developed a Shapiro allergic repulsion.

 

If you're affected by the propaganda - you should stop following sports. Nearly everything that GM's and the media say is utter ********. Stop watching analysis shows and the pre and post game interviews man...it's all BS.

[tazsub3]

True and much of it don't affect me, but shapiro does.

[Todd]

Day number three and still all i'm hearing is talk. This sounds

alot like the last three years with these guys. And all the other teams have

improved itself but not the jays. But al least the jays have signed 42 international free agents

[jaysguy44]

Day number three and still all i'm hearing is talk. This sounds

alot like the last three years with these guys. And all the other teams have

improved itself but not the jays. But al least the jays have signed 42 international free agents

 

The Jays are the only team out there that hasn't improved this off-season?

[Deadpool]

Day number three and still all i'm hearing is talk. This sounds

alot like the last three years with these guys. And all the other teams have

improved itself but not the jays. But al least the jays have signed 42 international free agents

 

Your first winter meetings, huh Todd?

 

It's an excuse for execs to jerk each other off and get loaded in a hotel bar, like literally every conference ever in the history of conferences.

[Todd]

actually this is number like 25 years with the jays. And the last three have been ********

with the jays management. All talk no action. Pat Gillick was the best a close second

was Gord Ash. Both like to get s*** done right away. Not pussy foot around.

[Spanky99]

actually this is number like 25 years with the jays. And the last three have been ********

with the jays management. All talk no action. Pat Gillick was the best a close second

was Gord Ash. Both like to get s*** done right away. Not pussy foot around.

 

Gord Ash Todd, you've just reached a new low.

[Todd]

He may not have been the best G.M but he still got s*** done. Good or Bad.

[Olerud363]

Gord Ash Todd, you've just reached a new low.

 

Just imagine if there was WAR in Ash's time

 

Olerud (57.3 career WAR) for Person (6.5)

Joe Carter 1997 contract extension (coming off of negative WAR season)

 

Roger Clemens (coming off of 10 and 8 WAR seasons) for David Wells (4 and 4)

 

Green for Mondesi (6 WAR for 2)

 

I'm being a bit unfair, because there were contract issues, but I can't imagine any thing like those trades would get made in this day and age.

[Brownie19]

Just imagine if there was WAR in Ash's time

 

Olerud (57.3 career WAR) for Person (6.5)

Joe Carter 1997 contract extension (coming off of negative WAR season)

 

Roger Clemens (coming off of 10 and 8 WAR seasons) for David Wells (4 and 4)

 

Green for Mondesi (6 WAR for 2)

 

I'm being a bit unfair, because there were contract issues, but I can't imagine any thing like those trades would get made in this day and age.

 

success is irrelevant Olerud - getting s*** done is the #1 criteria.

 

Todd - you sound like Kenny Powers FFS.

[Spanky99]

success is irrelevant Olerud - getting s*** done is the #1 criteria.

 

Todd - you sound like Kenny Powers FFS.

 

And Gord Ash got s*** done? That fat f*** was the worst, ever!

 

Oh, my bad, bud!