Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[jerb]

 

Ken Rosenthal

@Ken_Rosenthal

 

Additions of Porcello, Wacha give #Mets depth to possibly move a starter, perhaps in combination with a high-priced player in his walk year - Lowrie ($9M) or, in a much less likely scenario, Cespedes ($29.5M). Goal would be to address other needs - a young catcher, for example.

[Spanky99]

Hey guys, I dont have the time to sift through these forums all day long like some of you do to see if it was BP'ed already.

 

In the future, if it has already been posted just flag the post and a mod will remove it

 

f*** off!

[Pendleton]

Hey guys, I dont have the time to sift through these forums all day long like some of you do to see if it was BP'ed already.

 

In the future, if it has already been posted just flag the post and a mod will remove it

 

Lol it takes a microsecond to scan through the first few thread titles.

[Ex Player]

f*** off!

Stop drinking, idiot!!

[Ex Player]

BTW you can delete your own posts

Done!

 

Now perhaps make yourself useful and delete all the other responding posts. Maybe save admin some bandwidth.

 

Thanks in advance

[Bobthe4th]

Stop drinking, idiot!!

 

I think we've found the slogan for this holiday season's stop drink driving campaign!

[jerb]

 

Ben Nicholson-Smith

@bnicholsonsmith

 

Before his deal with the Mets, #BlueJays were talking with Rick Porcello. More than due diligence. There appeared to be a little traction, some mutual interest.

 

Instead Porcello gets to rebuild value with Mets (per @Ken_Rosenthal) while Jays continue pitching search elsewhere.

[Krylian]

I really hope there aren't people who expected our offseason to go any differently.

 

And to those that want to play the 'it's only December' card... Exactly who, of real consequence, is left that's a top of the rotation type guy that will realistically sign here.

 

Jays will need to trade for someone... Which really sucks cause they're forced to move valuable assets, likely young ones, cause they aren't able to just flash the cheque book and add high-end talent AND keep their assets.

 

We'll see what we've got in March, but I'm expecting 2020 but be similar to 2019.

[Bobthe4th]

I really hope there aren't people who expected our offseason to go any differently.

 

And to those that want to play the 'it's only December' card... Exactly who, of real consequence, is left that's a top of the rotation type guy that will realistically sign here.

 

Jays will need to trade for someone... Which really sucks cause they're forced to move valuable assets, likely young ones, cause they aren't able to just flash the cheque book and add high-end talent AND keep their assets.

 

We'll see what we've got in March, but I'm expecting 2020 but be similar to 2019.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we just signed a few minor league deals with vets and called it a day for free agency.

 

I’m a little bit concerned that there’s been no rumours about what we’re asking for Giles - but maybe we’re just waiting for the free agent market to sort itself out, then sell to the highest bidder who has blown their budget elsewhere (Nats and Angels for example).

[Brownie19]

I really hope there aren't people who expected our offseason to go any differently.

 

And to those that want to play the 'it's only December' card... Exactly who, of real consequence, is left that's a top of the rotation type guy that will realistically sign here.

 

Jays will need to trade for someone... Which really sucks cause they're forced to move valuable assets, likely young ones, cause they aren't able to just flash the cheque book and add high-end talent AND keep their assets.

 

We'll see what we've got in March, but I'm expecting 2020 but be similar to 2019.

 

Hasn't history proven that this approach is generally more successful (even though on paper it seems flawed)? Paying FA's for their past results has never been an overly successful approach.

[Laika]

Wow, Davidi says Toronto was pursuing Moustakas with a level of interest that actually saw Atkins and Montoyo visit Moose at his home. They must really want a good LHB.

[Brownie19]

Wow, Davidi says Toronto was pursuing Moustakas with a level of interest that actually saw Atkins and Montoyo visit Moose at his home. They must really want a good LHB.

 

It's all BS Laika - this FO does absolutely nothing. They are losers who sit on their hands and crunch numbers all day. They won't spend money.

[L54]

Wow, Davidi says Toronto was pursuing Moustakas with a level of interest that actually saw Atkins and Montoyo visit Moose at his home. They must really want a good LHB.

 

Just read this on mlbtraderumors.com. This is as encouraging of news as we’ve heard all offseason.

[L54]

Corey Dickerson, Kole Calhoun, Travis Shaw are the lefties I’d be targeting.

[jerb]

 

Jon Morosi

@jonmorosi

 

Source: #BlueJays believe Hyun-Jin Ryu represents their best chance to sign a major starting pitcher among the available options, but he is not yet close to making a decision. @MLB @MLBNetwork

[L54]

I always get excited for posts from jerb. He’s like an automated Blue Jays Twitter feed

[Terminator]

Ryu would be awesome. He's very risky but the guy threw up almost 5 WAR last year. He could provide the exact kind of pitcher we need atop the rotation while at the same time if he does only throw 100 innings or so his contract isn't likely to be a disaster either. I'm obviously all in on 3 years and would consider 4.

[Terminator]

What about Rich Hill? Does he have a pulse still and would he be worth pursuing?

[jays4life19]

What about Rich Hill? Does he have a pulse still and would he be worth pursuing?

 

He had elbow surgery in October and won't be ready till like mid season. He's probably looking to go to a contender at his age.

[Terminator]

He had elbow surgery in October and won't be ready till like mid season. He's probably looking to go to a contender at his age.

 

Ah ok I didn't know he wasn't ready until mid year. Yeah probably not a fit.

[SaskJaysFan_2]

Corey Dickerson, Kole Calhoun, Travis Shaw are the lefties I’d be targeting.

 

Out of those three, who's your #1 pick?

[Rusty_Savage]

I'd take Shaw if he'd play first with some games sprinkled in at second and third. Then when Vlad needs a break he can DH and Teoscar can slide over to first for however long is needed

 

And if Shaw falls flat on his face again, you're probably stuck with Tellez but Shaw is a great bet on being a bounce back, IMO

[Bobthe4th]

I just don’t get this board’s obsession with Ryu. He doesn’t fit our timeline and there’s no way he’s coming here on just a 3 year deal.

 

Think of it this way. If Ryu was a free agent next year instead, would you want to sign him when he’d be just turning 34 at the beginning of the season? Your answer would surely be “depends on what he does in 2020” right? Let someone who is in win now mode (and therefore 2020 is much more important to them) overpay him instead.

[Laika]

I just don’t get this board’s obsession with Ryu. He doesn’t fit our timeline and there’s no way he’s coming here on just a 3 year deal.

 

Think of it this way. If Ryu was a free agent next year instead, would you want to sign him when he’d be just turning 34 at the beginning of the season? Your answer would surely be “depends on what he does in 2020” right? Let someone who is in win now mode (and therefore 2020 is much more important to them) overpay him instead.

 

They are trying to improve the team. It's a noble goal, you complete and utter coward.

 

"let someone else take the risk!" said the spineless worm.

[Terminator]

I just don’t get this board’s obsession with Ryu. He doesn’t fit our timeline and there’s no way he’s coming here on just a 3 year deal.

 

Think of it this way. If Ryu was a free agent next year instead, would you want to sign him when he’d be just turning 34 at the beginning of the season? Your answer would surely be “depends on what he does in 2020” right? Let someone who is in win now mode (and therefore 2020 is much more important to them) overpay him instead.

 

Sucking the next two years does the team no good and without some better pitching we are going to do exactly that. It's hard enough to attract free agents to TO and when you're winning 70 games a year it's even harder. Ryu is good and helps us not suck, plus we are running a Rays like payroll anyway. A 3 year deal for him doesn't stop us from doing anything moving forward.

[Deadpool]

I just don’t get this board’s obsession with Ryu. He doesn’t fit our timeline and there’s no way he’s coming here on just a 3 year deal.

 

Think of it this way. If Ryu was a free agent next year instead, would you want to sign him when he’d be just turning 34 at the beginning of the season? Your answer would surely be “depends on what he does in 2020” right? Let someone who is in win now mode (and therefore 2020 is much more important to them) overpay him instead.

 

Of the available free agent starters, he is the best option that the Jays could be reasonably expected to pursue. It's not really that complicated.

[Ray]

Of the available free agent starters, he is the best option that the Jays could be reasonably expected to pursue. It's not really that complicated.

 

Clearly we should do nothing and waste a pre arbitration year of Vlad, Bo, Jansen, and Cavan.

[Ex Player]

 

Jon Morosi

@jonmorosi

 

Source: #BlueJays believe Hyun-Jin Ryu represents their best chance to sign a major starting pitcher among the available options, but he is not yet close to making a decision. @MLB @MLBNetwork

His agent is Scott Boras who will want a shitload of money

[Krylian]

Hasn't history proven that this approach is generally more successful (even though on paper it seems flawed)? Paying FA's for their past results has never been an overly successful approach.

 

I think this approach is fine once you're already a contender (or at the very least on the cusp of being one) with an established core and young pieces that you can afford to move, but the Jays really aren't in that position. they can't afford to move meaningful prospects at this point. I know there's talk about moving Jansen or McGuire...but what are you really going to get for McGuire, and who do they plan on playing 120 games if they move Jansen?

[Deadpool]

His agent is Scott Boras who will want a shitload of money

 

Correct.

 

The thing is, Boras doesn't get to decide the market for his players, so if nobody is going to give his players a shitload of money, he can't magically make that happen.

 

Aaron Sanchez is a Boras client, he's not going to get a Cole contract, even though Boras would really like that.