Blue Jays trade deadline (over)reaction thread

[Bobthe4th]

How do you rate the trade deadline for us?

 

 

Pros:

Quite a few new pitchers to add to the system;

Even more payroll flexibility next year;

Bichette got promoted after the Sogard trade;

No more Stroman and Sanchez debates!

 

Cons:

some of the reaction around the league to a few of the moves we made = "puzzling", "seems a bit light", "dogshit".

Not trading Smoak;

Not trading Giles (due to injury);

None of the trades are an obvious A+ win;

The potentially best player we've acquired is literally a child.

Edited July 31, 2019 by Bobthe4th

[Bobthe4th]

July 28

Traded Eric Sogard to the Tampa Bay Rays. Received two players to be named.

 

Traded Marcus Stroman and cash to the New York Mets. Received Anthony Kay and Simeon Woods Richardson.

 

July 30

Traded David Phelps and cash to the Chicago Cubs. Received Tom Hatch.

 

July 31

Traded Daniel Hudson to the Washington Nationals. Received Kyle Johnston.

 

Traded David Phelps to the Chicago Cubs. Received Thomas Hatch.

 

Traded Aaron Sanchez, Joe Biagini and Cal Stevenson to the Houston Astros. Received Derek Fisher.

 

Claimed Brock Stewart from the LA Dodgers.

[BTS]

- I don’t like the Stroman return

- I don’t care about the Sanchez trade, but I feel like Atkins got out-negotiated by Luhnow

- Thrilled to get anything for Phelps, Hudson, and Sogard.

 

Big old ‘meh’ from me.

[jimedmonds]

these trades are horrible. 2/10 in my books

 

I know I am being ridiculous when I say this, but I value transactions based on whether I have any interest in following the player's box score when I'm having breakfast in the morning (I live in London, UK, so 5-8 hr time zone difference). Only SWR does.

 

I have no issues with the players that Shatkins have drafted. I have no issues with the players that Shatkins have traded - none of them should rightfully be a part of a rebuilding Jays team. It's the poor asset management and timings of these transactions that are inexcusable. This extends beyond this current season; all of these traded-for prospects are horseshit except for SWR, and he's an 18 year old kid in A ball.

 

Unless there's someone else who hasn't been mentioned, what the f*** was the point of trading Biagini and Sanchez when they still have control?? And throwing in Stevenson dafuq. Why is Smoak still on this team??

I'm actually glad that Giles suffered this potential injury - shudder to think what Shatkins might have got in return for him.

[Angrioter]

-Don't like the haul for Stroman (Problems outside the field shouldn't interfere on the field/trades).

 

-Aaron Sanchez trade. Apparently someone told Atkins "You must remove Stroman and Sanchez from the team for their problems outside the field)

[Jonn]

5/10 is honestly the best grade you could give this deadline. It was massively disappointing. I thought we would be looking at another couple of top 100 prospects right now minimum to be honest.

 

Stroman trade was a light return although I do think we got an exciting prospect in Woods-Richardson who could become a top 100 prospect sooner rather than than later. Anthony Kay is very meh might be a decent back end starter for the next handful of years.

 

Getting anything for Sogard, Hudson, and Phelps are wins.

 

The Sanchez/Biagini trade was baffling. I don't even like either of them and wanted them to see them get traded but traded for another fringe corner Outfielder plus adding a pretty decent prospect made that a very hard deal to swallow. I would have preferred to have hold onto Sanchez if I knew that would be the return.

 

Not dealing Smoak are Galvis are confusing moves to me. Just get anything for those guys and play Rowdy at 1B and cement Biggio and Bichette up the middle for the rest of the season. I don't know why they are still here? Veteran presents?

[Bobthe4th]

I was so looking forward to us getting in a haul for Stroman and Giles, complemented by selling anyone and everyone who isn't going to be here in a couple of years. It's been mildly disappointing for me - lots of assets acquired but nothing to get too excited about. Can't see anything other that another losing season next year, while we wait to see how many of our back end starters and 4th outfielders bust or not.

 

Ironically, for all the moaning people do about Atkins being risk averse, the biggest asset acquired is basically the riskiest prospect type possible, a teenage pitcher!

[Abomination]

I would rate the deadline a C- or a D personally.

 

I like three of the players we acquired (Fisher, Kay, and Woods-Richardson).

 

I think we BADLY lost both of the "major" trades. They may work out well for us, but I don't think we got anywhere close to fair value at the time of the trade.

 

I think we lost the Phelps trade, based on the scouting reports I've seen and his stats. However, if some of the verbal reports about Hatch having really good untapped stuff are true, then I might change my mind on that. Otherwise, he seems like a guy who, at best, might make a few shuttle trips and generally provide negative value. The Hudson trade I find more interesting. We probably got decent value there, especially if we move Johnston to the pen.

 

Brock Stewart is an interesting free pickup, at least from a potential talent perspective.

 

I'm interested to see who pitches in the rotation for the next two months. I find it hard to believe we'll be aggressive in calling up prospects, as they probably aren't quite ready yet and it would be stupid at this point to start the clock on someone who isn't. Signing someone like Harvey for the rest of the season feels like a no-brainer.

[Terminator]

-I like that we dealt so many guys.

-Giles was a disaster, as to whose fault that is we will never know.

-Didn't get a single Top 100 player though SWR could be that guy.

 

If before the deadline I listed all the guys we acquired but didn't tell you how we got them I think most would be disappointed.

[Boxcar]

Where's the option for f*** you Bob

[DigitalRock]

5.10....

 

Could have given more for the assets given up imo... The Sanchez/Biagini trade is dumb unless Fisher is as good as they seem to think he is. Losing Faith in Shatkins.

[Sorrow]

I'm an 8. I'm probably a lot higher than SRW than I should be especially considering his age and he's a pitching prospect, I think Kay ends up as a decent piece and I feel like the trade market for large buys is done as prospects are so heavily valued by teams now especially if you're not trading for top end pitching and you're getting a mid rotation arm.

 

I don't care about the Sanchez trade, I've thought Biagini and Sanchez were potential DFA candidates this winter to free up 40 man spots for guys we have who need to be added to the 40 man roster. Fisher is a decent add, I question whether he ever becomes more than a 4th OF but he has plus raw and speed and can actually play CF which outside of Alford and Davis we don't have on the 40.

 

The other pieces we moved are to be expected and generally solid moves.

[FrozenRopes]

They rid themselves of some pieces, got not a lot in return.

 

To be taken seriously, this front office will need to secure 2 aces in the next 2 years.

 

Who is the staff ace today? The guy you would run out there in a must win game?

[dineke]

Reddit hates all these trades so I fully expect every move to work out and the blue jays to be 2021 WS champions

[Krylian]

They rid themselves of some pieces, got not a lot in return.

 

To be taken seriously, this front office will need to secure 2 aces in the next 2 years.

 

Who is the staff ace today? The guy you would run out there in a must win game?

 

This team won't have any must win games for AT LEAST 2 years. ...but point taken. Legit arms are required.

[Abomination]

Who is the staff ace today? The guy you would run out there in a must win game?

 

In a must-win game, I'd probably throw Giles out there until he broke.

[BTS]

In a must-win game, I'd probably throw Giles out there until he broke.

 

Giles for 2, Pearson for 3, play matchups and pray for the last 4.

[Barkerfan23]

The Yankees were willing to give up Frazier for Robbie Ray but not Stroman

[Abomination]

The Yankees were willing to give up Frazier for Robbie Ray but not Stroman

 

I'm very happy they got neither.

[BillyTheKid]

Anyone giving this 5 or above is an idiot. What a clusterf***up.

[wk680]

Anyone giving this 5 or above is an idiot. What a clusterf***up.

 

considering the mediocre prospects they received along with a likely AAAA player in Fisher, it makes me wonder why they even bothered. Then again, I will be happy to eat my words if Fisher turns into a monster and/or any of these pitchers pan out. But you could argue that would just be Atkins finally getting lucky or making like a stopped clock.

[Dick_Pole]

This trade deadline feels like the result of a beta male desperately trying to take charge. Every player with any tenure except Smoak was ousted. No rhyme or reason to it either. That Fisher trade is a real head scratcher. The correct move was to punt Sanchez to the bullpen and see if he could stick there. The returns were underwhelming.

[Dick_Pole]

- I don’t like the Stroman return

- I don’t care about the Sanchez trade, but I feel like Atkins got out-negotiated by Luhnow

- Thrilled to get anything for Phelps, Hudson, and Sogard.

 

Big old ‘meh’ from me.

 

I absolutely do not understand this thought process. A good return on the Stroman trade nets you more than whatever you get on those low value guys. If you like those two pitchers coming from the Mets, then add another couple of players to them.

 

It's like you lost $1,000 on poker and won $300 on blackjack at a casino and you rank that meh 5/10.

[Dick_Pole]

The last time the Jays cleaned house like this was 1998. Then they went on that massive run in August/September. Hope this happens again with all the new blood!

[jaysguy44]

The last time the Jays cleaned house like this was 1998. Then they went on that massive run in August/September. Hope this happens again with all the new blood!

 

I want success for the kids, but I would also like as high of a pick as possible..

 

Hmmm, I'm in a bit of a dilemma

[5ToolPhenom]

I absolutely do not understand this thought process. A good return on the Stroman trade nets you more than whatever you get on those low value guys. If you like those two pitchers coming from the Mets, then add another couple of players to them.

 

It's like you lost $1,000 on poker and won $300 on blackjack at a casino and you rank that meh 5/10.

 

Well said. There should've at least been another decent prospect coming back in the package. A promising A ball pitcher and a decent but aging guy struggling in AAA hardly justifies a return of one of the best pitchers on the market. I still can't believe how bad they f***ed that one up.

 

The Fisher deal doesn't bother me as much, but I still don't really see the sense in it, especially considering the prospect piece added in the deal.

 

For me, this would be a real make or break deadline in regards to my opinion on Atkins and he predictably fell short. I think it's time Shapiro goes another direction with the GM position.

[BTS]

I absolutely do not understand this thought process. A good return on the Stroman trade nets you more than whatever you get on those low value guys. If you like those two pitchers coming from the Mets, then add another couple of players to them.

 

It's like you lost $1,000 on poker and won $300 on blackjack at a casino and you rank that meh 5/10.

 

I don’t think the Stroman trade is a disaster. I’d probably give it a 4/10.

[BillyTheKid]

Still can't believe it... Derek Fisher... WOW... pretty much an absolute nothing return... the dude is basically 26 and hasn't done s***

[AintNoThang]

I actually don't mind the Stroman trade. I think they made the best possible moves with the options out there. Siddell was on Sportsnet today and he said he was talking to people from multiple different organizations and was surprised how much lower they viewed Stroman than he did. I'm OK with a high risk/high reward guy like SWR. My only issue is I would've loved to have another lotto ticket even in the 25-30 propsect range. Even just to help a bit with the optics of the deal (albeit a small amount).

 

My issue is with this Sanchez deal. I heard that the Stros plan on doing an overhaul on Sanchez like they did with Morton. If any organization can fix a pitcher, they can. I also heard reports that they only view Fisher as a 4th outfielder. So having to give up Biagini and Stevenson makes it look like Atkins is a little bitch and not very good at negotiating. Even if it was Sanchez and Biagini for Fisher and a Stevenson type player, it would've helped with the optics again. It seems like he just gives in to pressure and it will probably affect trades in the future.

 

But above all, I don't like the fact they didn't stick Sanchez in the bullpen and she if he can be an elite reliever. Who the f*** cares if Sanchez wants to start. He doesn't run the show. Trade Giles in the offseason and stick Sanchez in closer"s role, and if performs well, than they could get a better haul next year. I'm just not sold on Fisher, but I hope I'm wrong.

[Brownie19]

But above all, I don't like the fact they didn't stick Sanchez in the bullpen and she if he can be an elite reliever. Who the f*** cares if Sanchez wants to start. He doesn't run the show. Trade Giles in the offseason and stick Sanchez in closer"s role, and if performs well, than they could get a better haul next year. I'm just not sold on Fisher, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

Did you see what the Braves gave up for Greene, who's been pretty dominant this year? Braves get him for this playoff run + next year.

 

You think Sanchez could be as good as Greene in the pen? Even if he does - you think he'll return more next year as a pure rental?